Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 am
Last edit by: Bitterroot
Updates to Wiki as of 20 January 2014
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
[Confirmed] SYD going UA 3 Cabin 777 in 2014 [and other 747 route changes]
Aug 14, 2013, 10:40 am
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The question is why he wouldn't rather pay $1k to fly JFK-SYD in BF with an W fare and a GPU. That seems like a benefit of his UA premier status.
His answer was, I've got so much money I don't care about saving $5k. Ok, well.
OK, I don't get what this means. You book W class on a date with R availability. You spend a GPU and you fly in BF. Why isn't this something that UA has?
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Aug 14, 2013, 10:49 am
#137
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He said he's going to pay $6k to fly JFK-SYD in C when GF is not available, possibly on another carrier. And therefore he's not getting any benefit from his UA premier status.
The question is why he wouldn't rather pay $1k to fly JFK-SYD in BF with an W fare and a GPU. That seems like a benefit of his UA premier status.
His answer was, I've got so much money I don't care about saving $5k. Ok, well.
The question is why he wouldn't rather pay $1k to fly JFK-SYD in BF with an W fare and a GPU. That seems like a benefit of his UA premier status.
His answer was, I've got so much money I don't care about saving $5k. Ok, well.
If said poster flies QF instead, he can get QF status, or credit to AA and get status there. Won't take long.
Aug 14, 2013, 10:54 am
#138
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I don't know the OP, but if he's doing multiple JFK-SYD r/t's and he traditionally pays for them, he's probably unwilling to take the chance of sitting in the back.
As you've pointed out elsewhere, nobody should believe that they're entitled to an upgrade...
Greg
Aug 14, 2013, 10:55 am
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It's 100% if you book a seat where the upgrade is available at time of booking.
Last edited by iluv2fly; Aug 14, 2013 at 3:50 pm Reason: merge
Aug 14, 2013, 11:04 am
#140
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I disagree. While it is of course not 100% as it is always possible that they will fill the C cabin with full fare, but I would hazard a guess that a 1K or GS with a decent fare is 90%+ likely to get that upgrade.
Aug 14, 2013, 11:05 am
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It's a round trip. $1k each way in W, $6k (or more) each way in C. He's saying that spending $1k each way, instead of $6k, is no benefit for him. It just seems odd. Sure, maybe he can't always get that fare or upgrade. But you only have to get it once for it to be a significant amount of money to almost anyone.
That's it right there. The simple reason I make GS each year is multiple JFK-SYD in D/C fares ranging from $10-$15k a pop, so that I can upgrade to F. If UA does not have an F product to offer, there is not a snowball's chance in hell I pay a cent more than a Z fare ($6,000), and, if I can't upgrade, why would I take UA's Z fare over QF's I fare and have a better inflight experience on a single plane all the way from New York?
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Aug 14, 2013, 11:11 am
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SYD going PMCO 777 in 2014
In other words, if he wanted to play the GPU lottery for $2k he already would have been doing that. So the helpful suggestion is anything but.
Yes there is one off season date showing available...oh brother
Yes there is one off season date showing available...oh brother
Aug 14, 2013, 11:27 am
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I have to one again post this photo how to sleep on 747.
Aug 14, 2013, 11:27 am
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Aug 14, 2013, 11:29 am
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Aug 14, 2013, 11:34 am
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Greg
Aug 14, 2013, 11:40 am
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Australia is primarily a leisure market. Fewer seats mean higher average fares and a more efficient aircraft means higher pr
fitability.
fitability.
Aug 14, 2013, 11:58 am
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Aug 14, 2013, 12:16 pm
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Thinking about the people I've met, nearly 100% are on some sort of business trip. (As a disclaimer, I don't meet a lot of folks in Y. Usually C or E+).
My guess is, with a 777, they can drop the lowest fare buckets and capture a similar amount of revenue with a lower operating cost.