EWR - EZE ending.
Jul 14, 2013, 2:09 pm
#61
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Some of you really lack a historical perspective on this one. UA has really done musical chairs with EZE. UA has tried EZE nonstop from MIA, ORD, and IAD over many years. They've all failed. Now it has failed from EWR, also. Not a good track record. EZE is only working from IAH. And I just checked and noticed DL is not going JFK to EZE nonstop either. Obviously DL can't compete otherwise it would be nonstop (just kidding, that was tongue and cheek) but more likely it's not a goldmine from NYC afterall. It has nothing to do with flight reliability. That's no longer an issue.
Airlines only have to get you there. Suing, calling a competitor, calling the BBB, calling a congressman, all because you're inconvienced by a schedule change is a useless exercise. One time I booked a ticket on AA 6 months in advance. I nearly missed the flight because they had changed the flight times, moving it up earlier without informing me.
Airlines only have to get you there. Suing, calling a competitor, calling the BBB, calling a congressman, all because you're inconvienced by a schedule change is a useless exercise. One time I booked a ticket on AA 6 months in advance. I nearly missed the flight because they had changed the flight times, moving it up earlier without informing me.
Jul 14, 2013, 2:36 pm
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Did IAD-EZE fail, or did the HouCrew bring it to EWR because they thought it would do better there?
Jul 14, 2013, 3:12 pm
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I am surprised to see so little mention of COPA here. COPA has 2 daily flights to EZE and 4 to SCL. I appears that is unchanged at least through December. I understand there is a segment of the market that wants real BF service and a single long flight from North America, but for most, COPA is a reasonable option. FWIW - I checked availability for those flights next week, and they are almost sold out. First was pretty much completely full.
That said, UA itself certainly seems to have little interest in SA. I fly from Colombia. They had 752's on the BOG-IAH and BOG-EWR flights for a short time, but now have gone back to 737's and 738's. Prices are 2X the competition. I am booking my late July/early August travel right now, and every option gives me much better pricing on AA.
That said, UA itself certainly seems to have little interest in SA. I fly from Colombia. They had 752's on the BOG-IAH and BOG-EWR flights for a short time, but now have gone back to 737's and 738's. Prices are 2X the competition. I am booking my late July/early August travel right now, and every option gives me much better pricing on AA.
Jul 14, 2013, 3:29 pm
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This is probably a major contribution, but it goes beyond this... UALs reputation is in the toilet,and lack of reliability is a large part of the problem. The "big hat, not cattle" set's decision to cross fleet and run sUA A/C from sCO airports without spares (crew and parts) not surprisingly resulted in terrible OT rates and huge numbers of cancellations. That UAs management did not see it coming is beyond me.
Jul 14, 2013, 3:33 pm
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pmUA took this into account, and didn't schedule their aircraft as aggressively as pmCO. When the HouCrew started right-sizing routes, they overlooked the spare parts not being where they needed to be, so the fault lies there, not with the pmUA management.
Jul 14, 2013, 3:35 pm
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the Brains of this airline have decided the way to make money is Cut CUT cUT... perhaps they should have instead have tried to SELL ta's and customers on flights to SA......
Years from now it will be very difficult to get the market back. Again JEFF seems to forget hes got to fly places to make money.
the fool cut the daily YYZ-SFO......
Years from now it will be very difficult to get the market back. Again JEFF seems to forget hes got to fly places to make money.
the fool cut the daily YYZ-SFO......
Jul 14, 2013, 3:36 pm
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YYZ-SFO has been a deadman walking for ages. PMUA was flying that on an A319. You can't really downsize it anymore than that.
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Jul 14, 2013, 3:40 pm
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Last I checked, the "our fleet sucks so we keep a lot of expensive spare parts around" is Allegiant's business model, not UA's. I, for one, am glad that PMCO's aggressive maintenance culture is being forced onto PMUA. Until that's fully ingrained, the crappy dispatch rates on PMUA equipment will continue.
Jul 14, 2013, 4:50 pm
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You haven't reviewed the Investor Relations site I'm guessing...last time I checked, 2/3 of the named Executive Team (roughly 25 in total) was PMCO, and less than 1/3 was PMUA (there are a few outsiders as well).
Jul 14, 2013, 5:09 pm
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Because until they actually are a complete combined airline with one workgroup it will be UA vs CO. It is far from done. They are still 2 very different airline just flying under one name and FF program.
Jul 14, 2013, 5:13 pm
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Really? I just see a bunch of finger pointing as to who's at fault for decisions made in the past. Most of it rather ill informed.
Jul 14, 2013, 5:18 pm
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I was more or less shocked to see how unintegrated they are ...
Jul 14, 2013, 5:19 pm
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Actually that's for earning in their own program. For United it's all or nothing. You earn full miles on everything except for Tango fares within Canada or transborder. The YYZ-SCL route is full miles in M+ for all fare classes.
I'm really sad to see TAM leaving *A. Given Brasil's economic importance, that was a really nice addition.
I'm really sad to see TAM leaving *A. Given Brasil's economic importance, that was a really nice addition.