Competitive response to HU?

Old Jul 10, 13, 7:34 am
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Competitive response to HU?

HU (Hainan Airlines) will launch ORD-PEK service in September. While they're not part of any Alliance, they're a Skytrax 5* carrier and have decent time slots into and out of PEK. And, they're launching with $2156/rt business class pricing.

Think UA will compete to show them a Chicago welcome?
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Old Jul 10, 13, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by jmr50 View Post
HU (Hainan Airlines) will launch ORD-PEK service in September. While they're not part of any Alliance, they're a Skytrax 5* carrier and have decent time slots into and out of PEK. And, they're launching with $2156/rt business class pricing.

Think UA will compete to show them a Chicago welcome?
NH already did:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...687-r-t-i.html
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Old Jul 10, 13, 9:13 am
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I don't believe UA can just decide they want to start another route to a mainland Chinese airport and do so. I think they're all relatively controlled in terms of slots, and my guess is a Chinese airline has a much better ability to get slots than non-Chinese airlines can.
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The HU biz seats on the A346 are angle-flat, not full lie-flat. Actual lie-flat is a $5000 first fare.
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Old Jul 10, 13, 10:44 am
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Why should UA "compete"? Part of being a profitable airline is knowing when not to slash fares.
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Old Jul 10, 13, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by TA View Post
Why should UA "compete"? Part of being a profitable airline is knowing when not to slash fares.
exactly, though i would take a different spin on this question, UA will streamline capacity on the route, i heard they were beta testing a super-ER CRJ7 with 4 BF seats, 8 in E+, and 20" pitch in E- (hey, those aux fuel tanks take up a lot of room).
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Old Jul 10, 13, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by JC1120 View Post
I don't believe UA can just decide they want to start another route to a mainland Chinese airport and do so. I think they're all relatively controlled in terms of slots, and my guess is a Chinese airline has a much better ability to get slots than non-Chinese airlines can.
Absolutely correct, heavy duty negotiations are involved and then an application process to DOT once a route is allowed. But if UA has an unused allotment, it can add it back with no problem. No idea if that is the case here.
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Old Jul 10, 13, 11:47 am
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Why should UA "compete"? Part of being a profitable airline is knowing when not to slash fares.
Heh - yeah, but you've gotta know when to hold 'em AND when to fold 'em.

2x weekly at $2100 J isn't a threat. If in 6 months that becomes 7x weekly at $2100 J, expect a price war...
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I heard that UA was preparing to launch SFO-CTU (Chengdu) with 787.
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Old Jul 10, 13, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Darlox View Post
Heh - yeah, but you've gotta know when to hold 'em AND when to fold 'em.

2x weekly at $2100 J isn't a threat. If in 6 months that becomes 7x weekly at $2100 J, expect a price war...
Naah. All those underspending customers UA allegedly wants to "fire" can fly HU.
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Old Jul 10, 13, 8:31 pm
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Originally Posted by mi88ke View Post
I heard that UA was preparing to launch SFO-CTU (Chengdu) with 787.
What happened to SFO-CAN? Is CTU a better option than CAN?

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Old Mar 17, 14, 8:11 pm
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Originally Posted by 787fan View Post
UA has a true flat bed, even if they enter a competitive phase i wouldn't expect UA to go below $3000-3500
Hainan's new 787 fleet in the summer of 2014 has;
1- the new lie-flat seats
2- great business class fares to Chicago & Toronto from PEK...
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Old Mar 18, 14, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by LAX View Post
What happened to SFO-CAN? Is CTU a better option than CAN?

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CTU is a hub for CA and CAN is not (even though none of the mainland carriers really stick completely to their "hub"). Also, CAN is so close to HKG that most people just fly to HKG.

Originally Posted by 787fan View Post
If CA ever launch this route, it would be the last nail in AA's coffin
A rule exists in China that each route can only be served by 1 Chinese airline. However, I suppose if CA wanted to fly ORD-PEK, they could force HU to stop because CA is the state-favored carrier.

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Old Mar 18, 14, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by 1353513636 View Post

A rule exists in China that each route can only be served by 1 Chinese airline. However, I suppose if CA wanted to fly ORD-PEK, they could force HU to stop because CA is the state-favored carrier.
umm, both CA & HU fly direct to Toronto from PEK.
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Old Mar 18, 14, 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Jiatong View Post
umm, both CA & HU fly direct to Toronto from PEK.
Air China flies to YYZ?
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