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related thread - New change address verification for MP (just non-domestic changes?)
Any Drawbacks from having MP account registered to foreign address?
Jun 21, 2013, 3:24 am
#76
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I seriously doubt you're going to get audited. I change my address with UA at least 1-2 times a year depending where I am doing most of my work. . Last year it was the UK and the US. This year it's been Tokyo and Kuala Lumpur. I do have residences in each place and update my address change whenever I arrive. I had to call for my GS credentials this year as they'd been sent to KL and I was in Tokyo for a couple of months, then on to Europe and didn't want to trek back to KL to pick them up. I only wanted them because some of the Asian/European *A carriers get a little weird when you don't have your card with you.
It does seem very strange that the new $$ spending is for US based MP members but then again nothing that UA does any more surprises me
It does seem very strange that the new $$ spending is for US based MP members but then again nothing that UA does any more surprises me
Jun 21, 2013, 4:36 am
#77
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Various Continents, Countries and addresses available !!!!
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Jun 21, 2013, 4:39 am
#78
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I was thinking the same. I got basically "unlimited" room and a utility bill like a cell phone contract (which can be done for a few $/month) could be profitable
I should start a site - UAMPEXPAT.COM
Jun 21, 2013, 4:54 am
#79
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This has been around for awhile, but in the last month it's gotten totally flaky and seems to randomly change the language / locale of the website without rhyme or reason.
Jun 21, 2013, 4:56 am
#80
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Now you're getting crafty !!!! I'm sure they'll be at least 100+ takers on that offer.
Jun 21, 2013, 5:14 am
#81
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Here are the DL rules for reference.
Effective January 1, 2014, members with a primary residence in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) will begin qualifying for Medallion status based upon the following criteria:
Address Change
Country of residence is determined by the primary address in the member’s SkyMiles account at the time of qualification for Medallion status. Documentation may be required for some types of address changes. Please see the SkyMiles Membership Guide for more information and a list of acceptable documentation. Delta reserves the right to audit an account at any time for residency requirements, request further supporting documentation and update the address for any member's SkyMiles account using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so. Accounts found in violation are subject to penalty, up to and including termination of Medallion status and closure of the SkyMiles account.
Address Change
Using their Delta password, members may update their account address information by visiting My Profile. You can also update your account a
ddress by submitting the information via fax, mail, or by phone using your password. Members should include their SkyMiles number and signature on all requests and documentation. Certain address changes, including those moving from a primary addresses within the 50 United States and the District of Columbia to one outside of the United States, require the submission of additional documentation to complete and cannot be completed over the phone or online. Members will need to submit one of the following documents via mail or fax to complete the address change request, and the document must reflect a residential address and may not be the address of a corporation or business:
• Government issued ID with new address (Drivers License, learner’s permit,
Country/State-issued photo ID card
• Utility bill in customer’s name showing new address, dated within the past 60 days
• Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, or residential rental/lease agreement showing proof of ownership at new address, with customer’s name and signature. Lease must be dated within the past year.
• Bank statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Payroll statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Postal Service change of address confirmation form
• Current automobile or life insurance bill, or homeowners or renter insurance bill (cards or policies are not accepted)
• Copy of school records/transcript from a school in which the applicant is currently enrolled, issued by an accredited school
• Postmarked mail with forwarding address label (must display the customer’s full name)
• Receipt for personal property taxes or real estate taxes paid within the last year
• Letter from member’s employer on official company letterhead, detailing member’s current address. Letter must be signed by employee’s supervisor with supervisor’s full contact information Delta reserves the right to periodically audit any SkyMiles member’s account for address
accuracy, request further supporting documentation, and update the account address using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so
Effective January 1, 2014, members with a primary residence in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) will begin qualifying for Medallion status based upon the following criteria:
Address Change
Country of residence is determined by the primary address in the member’s SkyMiles account at the time of qualification for Medallion status. Documentation may be required for some types of address changes. Please see the SkyMiles Membership Guide for more information and a list of acceptable documentation. Delta reserves the right to audit an account at any time for residency requirements, request further supporting documentation and update the address for any member's SkyMiles account using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so. Accounts found in violation are subject to penalty, up to and including termination of Medallion status and closure of the SkyMiles account.
Address Change
Using their Delta password, members may update their account address information by visiting My Profile. You can also update your account a
ddress by submitting the information via fax, mail, or by phone using your password. Members should include their SkyMiles number and signature on all requests and documentation. Certain address changes, including those moving from a primary addresses within the 50 United States and the District of Columbia to one outside of the United States, require the submission of additional documentation to complete and cannot be completed over the phone or online. Members will need to submit one of the following documents via mail or fax to complete the address change request, and the document must reflect a residential address and may not be the address of a corporation or business:
• Government issued ID with new address (Drivers License, learner’s permit,
Country/State-issued photo ID card
• Utility bill in customer’s name showing new address, dated within the past 60 days
• Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, or residential rental/lease agreement showing proof of ownership at new address, with customer’s name and signature. Lease must be dated within the past year.
• Bank statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Payroll statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Postal Service change of address confirmation form
• Current automobile or life insurance bill, or homeowners or renter insurance bill (cards or policies are not accepted)
• Copy of school records/transcript from a school in which the applicant is currently enrolled, issued by an accredited school
• Postmarked mail with forwarding address label (must display the customer’s full name)
• Receipt for personal property taxes or real estate taxes paid within the last year
• Letter from member’s employer on official company letterhead, detailing member’s current address. Letter must be signed by employee’s supervisor with supervisor’s full contact information Delta reserves the right to periodically audit any SkyMiles member’s account for address
accuracy, request further supporting documentation, and update the account address using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so
Jun 21, 2013, 5:35 am
#82
Join Date: Sep 2009
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So my guess is that it is illegal in some countries to offer discounts or extras services to passengers who have a higher monetary spend (it's prohibited in the U.S. for goods under Robinson-Patman Act, but the Act does not apply to services, e.g. air travel, and there are other exemptions for the airline and travel industry in the U.S. as well).
Accordingly, it is illegal to engage in any promotions or marketing of these types of arrangements in those countries. This includes sending postal mail or email. Both DL are UA are very specific in saying residency is by the primary address you use for communication with them. The laws in these countries do not make any kind of distinction as to whether the person is resident or not. It is simply illegal to engage in these activities in those countries full stop. I also suspect that under contract law, DL can require that the address for the purpose of communication be a legitimate residential address, but they can not require that it be in the U.S. or that it must be your official primary residence.
Accordingly, it is illegal to engage in any promotions or marketing of these types of arrangements in those countries. This includes sending postal mail or email. Both DL are UA are very specific in saying residency is by the primary address you use for communication with them. The laws in these countries do not make any kind of distinction as to whether the person is resident or not. It is simply illegal to engage in these activities in those countries full stop. I also suspect that under contract law, DL can require that the address for the purpose of communication be a legitimate residential address, but they can not require that it be in the U.S. or that it must be your official primary residence.
Jun 21, 2013, 5:47 am
#83
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So my guess is that it is illegal in some countries to offer discounts or extras services to passengers who have a higher monetary spend (it's prohibited in the U.S. for goods under Robinson-Patman Act, but the Act does not apply to services, e.g. air travel, and there are other exemptions for the airline and travel industry in the U.S. as well).
a) Delta didnt do it, so UA had to follow
b) the move would make UA (and MP) extremely uncompetitive internationally. The only thing UA can compete on with the international customer is price and an excellent mileage program. Those are the only positive attributes of UA to people with choice of carriers.
Jun 21, 2013, 6:18 am
#84
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Posts: 9,341
It has nothing to do with legality
a) Delta didnt do it, so UA had to follow
b) the move would make UA (and MP) extremely uncompetitive internationally. The only thing UA can compete on with the international customer is price and an excellent mileage program. Those are the only positive attributes of UA to people with choice of carriers.
a) Delta didnt do it, so UA had to follow
b) the move would make UA (and MP) extremely uncompetitive internationally. The only thing UA can compete on with the international customer is price and an excellent mileage program. Those are the only positive attributes of UA to people with choice of carriers.
If the counter-party provides a foreign address then DL/UA has to comply with laws in that jurisdiction.
So they have a Hobson's choice, either they don't accept foreign addresses which means they can't serve process (except in person) and the contract is unenforceable, or they accept foreign addresses and they have to comply with the price discrimination laws in those countries.
Bottom line (I think) is that the only thing they can do is require you to provide the address of a legitimate place of abode, it doesn't have to be your legal residence, domicile or primary residence.
Jun 21, 2013, 7:04 am
#85
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Ecuador
Programs: UA GS MM, HHonors Silver, Marriott Gold, Hertz Gold, AA, DL
Posts: 123
Problems I do not have
Dunno about SHARES, but based on past experiences with non-US addresses, I would not be overly surprised if:
1) You could never check-in online
2) You sometimes were required to show the purchase cc at check-in
3) Sometimes have online purchase issues if your MP address and cc address don't match
4) TSA Pre may be a distant memory.
1) You could never check-in online
2) You sometimes were required to show the purchase cc at check-in
3) Sometimes have online purchase issues if your MP address and cc address don't match
4) TSA Pre may be a distant memory.
2. I am never asked to show the cc at the counter.
3. I don't make purchases thru MP. I have no problem with amazon.com which I use heavily and have shipments made to many different addresses using the MP cc.
4. I have both Global Entry and TSA Pre with no problems.
Last edited by Ecuacoflyer; Jun 23, 2013 at 4:10 am Reason: spelling error
Jun 21, 2013, 11:00 am
#86
Join Date: Jan 2013
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Posts: 255
so its clear there are no other major drawbacks besides account audit. Is united gonna use our flight pattern to screw us? While i have many legit addresses, most of my flights are in the USA
Jun 21, 2013, 11:18 am
#87
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: SUV
Programs: UA *G MM
Posts: 7,017
For heaven's sake. Why don't they just reduce EQMs on cheap tickets like many other airlines? This is so bloody complicated.
I wonder what happens next year when I leave Japan. I would then change the address to Sweden. According to this they don't require anything if you change from outside US.
I wonder what happens next year when I leave Japan. I would then change the address to Sweden. According to this they don't require anything if you change from outside US.
Here are the DL rules for reference.
Effective January 1, 2014, members with a primary residence in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) will begin qualifying for Medallion status based upon the following criteria:
Address Change
Country of residence is determined by the primary address in the member’s SkyMiles account at the time of qualification for Medallion status. Documentation may be required for some types of address changes. Please see the SkyMiles Membership Guide for more information and a list of acceptable documentation. Delta reserves the right to audit an account at any time for residency requirements, request further supporting documentation and update the address for any member's SkyMiles account using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so. Accounts found in violation are subject to penalty, up to and including termination of Medallion status and closure of the SkyMiles account.
Address Change
Using their Delta password, members may update their account address information by visiting My Profile. You can also update your account a
ddress by submitting the information via fax, mail, or by phone using your password. Members should include their SkyMiles number and signature on all requests and documentation. Certain address changes, including those moving from a primary addresses within the 50 United States and the District of Columbia to one outside of the United States, require the submission of additional documentation to complete and cannot be completed over the phone or online. Members will need to submit one of the following documents via mail or fax to complete the address change request, and the document must reflect a residential address and may not be the address of a corporation or business:
• Government issued ID with new address (Drivers License, learner’s permit,
Country/State-issued photo ID card
• Utility bill in customer’s name showing new address, dated within the past 60 days
• Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, or residential rental/lease agreement showing proof of ownership at new address, with customer’s name and signature. Lease must be dated within the past year.
• Bank statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Payroll statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Postal Service change of address confirmation form
• Current automobile or life insurance bill, or homeowners or renter insurance bill (cards or policies are not accepted)
• Copy of school records/transcript from a school in which the applicant is currently enrolled, issued by an accredited school
• Postmarked mail with forwarding address label (must display the customer’s full name)
• Receipt for personal property taxes or real estate taxes paid within the last year
• Letter from member’s employer on official company letterhead, detailing member’s current address. Letter must be signed by employee’s supervisor with supervisor’s full contact information Delta reserves the right to periodically audit any SkyMiles member’s account for address
accuracy, request further supporting documentation, and update the account address using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so
Effective January 1, 2014, members with a primary residence in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) will begin qualifying for Medallion status based upon the following criteria:
Address Change
Country of residence is determined by the primary address in the member’s SkyMiles account at the time of qualification for Medallion status. Documentation may be required for some types of address changes. Please see the SkyMiles Membership Guide for more information and a list of acceptable documentation. Delta reserves the right to audit an account at any time for residency requirements, request further supporting documentation and update the address for any member's SkyMiles account using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so. Accounts found in violation are subject to penalty, up to and including termination of Medallion status and closure of the SkyMiles account.
Address Change
Using their Delta password, members may update their account address information by visiting My Profile. You can also update your account a
ddress by submitting the information via fax, mail, or by phone using your password. Members should include their SkyMiles number and signature on all requests and documentation. Certain address changes, including those moving from a primary addresses within the 50 United States and the District of Columbia to one outside of the United States, require the submission of additional documentation to complete and cannot be completed over the phone or online. Members will need to submit one of the following documents via mail or fax to complete the address change request, and the document must reflect a residential address and may not be the address of a corporation or business:
• Government issued ID with new address (Drivers License, learner’s permit,
Country/State-issued photo ID card
• Utility bill in customer’s name showing new address, dated within the past 60 days
• Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, or residential rental/lease agreement showing proof of ownership at new address, with customer’s name and signature. Lease must be dated within the past year.
• Bank statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Payroll statement with customer’s name and address, dated within the past 60 days (may block out sensitive information)
• Postal Service change of address confirmation form
• Current automobile or life insurance bill, or homeowners or renter insurance bill (cards or policies are not accepted)
• Copy of school records/transcript from a school in which the applicant is currently enrolled, issued by an accredited school
• Postmarked mail with forwarding address label (must display the customer’s full name)
• Receipt for personal property taxes or real estate taxes paid within the last year
• Letter from member’s employer on official company letterhead, detailing member’s current address. Letter must be signed by employee’s supervisor with supervisor’s full contact information Delta reserves the right to periodically audit any SkyMiles member’s account for address
accuracy, request further supporting documentation, and update the account address using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so
Jun 21, 2013, 11:23 am
#88
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because they tried in the past and failed...
next is reduction of partner earnings (a la Delta)... redemption chart devaluation... then KLTS 50% earning.... give it time.
Jun 21, 2013, 1:43 pm
#89
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And even if UA does audits based on address, what's to stop someone saying they are in the USA for work and that's where the company send them? Or traveling across the Canada-USA border to fly a cheaper ticket?
Jun 21, 2013, 9:47 pm
#90
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Posts: 9,341
Exactly right. There is nothing that says the address has to be your legal residence, domicile or primary residence. As I said, I think there is some risk if you provide them with an address where you are never resident, but other than that I believe you are safe footing if you provide an address where you actually have a residence.