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MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

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If you have calculated the PQDs for a trip at less than 80% of the total cost, you are very likely doing something wrong. Have you made sure to include the International Surcharge (YQ)? Have you read all of the materials linked above, and the frequently made points listed below?

Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.
  • Will there be a calculator that shows PQD, and will that calculator be accurate?
  • What exactly will count toward PQD?
    United states:
    Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
    Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
    Flights operated by a Star Alliance® or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
    Economy Plus purchases

    will count towards PQD.

    Thus:
    • The amount of co-pay when using miles to upgrade..
    • The cost of PQMs/RDMs purchased when using the premier / award accelerator..
    • The value of ETCs (or is it considered a discount from the fare?). (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include) -Note: the Mileage plus site indicates ETC's count towards PQD (12/16/13 imgonnafly)
    • The face value e-certs and travel vouchers.. (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include)
    • The cost of a paid upgrade..
    • An extra seat purchase (such as for a customer of size or a musical instrument); it does not presently count toward PQM.
    • Change fees.
    will not count toward PQD.
  • How will PQD be determined for UA metal segments without 016 stock ticket?
  • What happens if I depart in December and return in January?
    Just like PQM, PQD for the applicable part of fare for the segment is credited based on the departure date (year) of the segment flown. Segment fares are calculated using standard rules of the past. For the case cited there would be PQD credited in DEC 2013 (no value) and PQD applied to 2014 applicable to 2014 and 2015 status renewal.
  • How will UA evaluate the address issue for the PQD exemption?
  • It is not clear how the timing of achieving the minimum PQD requirement will impact earning RPUs and GPUs. Examples:
    • If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
    • Do only 1Ks/GSs earn additional RPUs by flying beyond the 100k mark?
    • If a 1K crosses the 100,000 PQM mark in January 201x, the $10,000 PQD mark on December 31 201x, and ends up flying a total of 200,000 PQMs for the year 201x, how many RPUs / GPUs will be earned?
    • Will Platinums earn 2 RPUs when crossing the 75k mark but none at incremental levels thereafter (e.g. a Plat who flies 100k EQMs, but does not meet the 1K spend, would *not* earn two more RPUs)?
  • How does IRROPs affect earning of PQDs?
FMP (Frequently Made Points)
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):
  • You might not be hitting the PQD minimums as easily as you think you are, given exceptions, taxes, and the existence of cheap fares.
  • It is possible for leisure travelers and even some business travelers to average well under 10cpm. This doesn't just affect "leisure 1Ks" and people on the edge of categories.
  • Presidential Plus card members (exempted from Silver/Gold/Plat PQD requirements) are most likely exempted because the FlexPQM program would complicate matters.
  • Manufacturing $25,000 spend might not actually be so hard. There's a whole forum on it.
  • The exceptions don't really make sense where there is a revenue-sharing joint venture in place, such as with LH on TATL routes.
  • Leaving UA for AA over objections to dollar-based status may be futile because all the majors will likely go to this model with the possible exception of the AS program which allows you to bank your DL and AA miles into one account (DL has already).
  • UA is tracking spend on UA metal now.
  • YQ, also known as the "international surcharge," is a carrier-imposed surcharge and is included in PQD.
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Moderator's Note:

2014 version of this thread can be found here:


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...2014-a-15.html

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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by SgtRyan
Am I missing something here???? For people who are US based, these changes will come into effect, but for everyone else based outside of the US life will carry on as normal??

Now if that is true (as I could be very wrong here) but does that sound like a form of discrimination???
It's probably because SHARES can't handle currency conversion
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:50 pm
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It seems like very poor planning to announce this downgrade without giving us something we might want to aspire to!
If there was a great pot of gold at the end of the 10K spend rainbow and it was worth the spend, then United would be better off in the PR department.
Does anyone there even think about such things?? or better yet, give a hoot??
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by bse118 View Post
The mistake people make is believing that loyalty to the airline means the airline is loyal in return...
Well said, and I have been know to resemble that remark - more often than I care to admit.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by CMK10 View Post
I wonder if there will be a Mileage Run Deals forum after 2014
It'll be replaced with the forum "I have XX miles but still didn't qualify for X elite status". I can't wait to see the first folks with 100K+ not qualifying for 1k.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by persyus View Post
You only want business travelers? I hope those newly empty seats generate a lot of $$$.
Wrong. They hate business travelers. The first thing they did two years ago was to fire us by refusing to upgrade us an instead selling TODs to kettles with no status. One of my first "welcome to CO" experiences was a trip with a companion - my UG offer was $1,400 and hers was $149, she had no status, I was 1K coming off of GS.

Originally Posted by travelsavant View Post
Might be time to start a thread for easy/painless ways to up one's CC spend to meet the $25k threshold!
I've got the solution! I have a vacation rental property in a lovely location. I'll rent a week to anyone here for only $25,000. One transaction. Meet the spend requirement. And, you get a holiday too. If it takes off, I'll buy some more properties to serve everyone.

Originally Posted by SgtRyan View Post
Am I missing something here???? For people who are US based, these changes will come into effect, but for everyone else based outside of the US life will carry on as normal??

Now if that is true (as I could be very wrong here) but does that sound like a form of discrimination???
That is true but I guess they figure people overseas have so many choices that they can't screw them as much as they can screw us.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
What about someone who flies a $6,000 TPAC NH ticket/metal flight? UA gets half that revenue, but the flyer doesn't get any credit to UA PQDs. Should that flyer be thankful too?
The flyer gets full PQD credit when they buy an NH TPAC on a UA-issued 016 ticket.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:55 pm
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I do like this a lot. With today's math, someone can do six mileage runs a year, volunteer off some of those legs and re-up, get a few weekend flights with the certs and be 1K. Thankfully no more. The ones of us who are segment warriors (74 already this year) would super appreciate this move. It is totally reasonable (it translates to the equivalent of spending $333 a trip of 4 segments, which is much under the "normal" non-mileage run average cost of a flight.)
I don't see how any frequent UA flier would hate this...

I just wish that UA counted only spending on UA metal for these levels and not spending on *A partners, to eliminate those who get UA status for flying exclusively partners in TPAC and TATL flights and get a few UA connections domestically for the minimum 4 segments.

Hopefully next year
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:55 pm
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Anyone see the BoardingArea blog where this was rumored a few years back?

The PQD amounts were lower, initially 100K plus $8,000 in spending to achieve 1K status.

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfr...flyer-program/

**Update** Old FlyerTalk thread here if you want to reminisce.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...us-scheme.html

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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:55 pm
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Bye, United.
Now I'll do my best to spend my remaining 1.2M UA miles on partner premier cabin award flights....
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:56 pm
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This is like the worst parts of the WN program and the UA program, all rolled into one.

You see, on WN, high spend will get you status, regardless of how many miles you fly. On UA, you can buy a lot of full fare F, C, or Y tickets, and get hardly any progress toward status, compared to what you're spending. But on WN, high mileage, low fare tickets get you absolutely nothing, while on UA, you at least get those to count for status.

This? It's the worst of both, rolled into one. However, at least they're counting partner spend, if UA tickets it, and surcharges and fees, unlike DL.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by mitchmu View Post
By bottom line: It's totally over. Completely. I'll fly when I need to fly. If I end up with status, so be it. If not, so be it. This is the final straw.
Most of us with status do exactly what you said, you know...
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:58 pm
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I am glad UA came up with their own strategy and didn't just copy what Delta did other than being late to the game.
There were so many ways for UA to put their own spin on this, but I guess it's better to lag the competition and copy things than come up with a differentiated strategy. In the end it will be DL against UA and if UA just wants to be the same then what is their play after they admitted they are actually years behind Delta recently.
Anyway, I am not opposed to MQD/PQD at all and I am hoping UA is taking a lessen from Delta to keep the benis up and perhaps increase them because this will be the one only way to get HVCs back.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by STS-134 View Post
This is like the worst parts of the WN program and the UA program, all rolled into one.

You see, on WN, high spend will get you status, regardless of how many miles you fly. On UA, you can buy a lot of full fare F, C, or Y tickets, and get hardly any progress toward status, compared to what you're spending. But on WN, high mileage, low fare tickets get you absolutely nothing, while on UA, you at least get those to count for status.

This? It's the worst of both, rolled into one. However, at least they're counting partner spend, if UA tickets it, and surcharges and fees, unlike DL.
Agreed. If it were either/or, it would make sense to me. Maybe I just want to get the status and fly less. Win/win for everyone. But, the AND condition makes this nothing short of ugly.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by ibuyyoufly View Post
You guys probably have the EMail Subscription turned off in your Profile.

Go to your "My Account" on united.com. (It's next to Sign In/Sign Out above the top header.)

Once there, scroll down to the Profile box.

At the bottom of that box underneath your email address, click on Subscribe.

Once in there, you will see all the ways and reasons you can receive an email.
Mine are all checked and otherwise working. They sent me a rental car and hotel deal for an upcoming trip this afternoon.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by mecabq View Post
Wrong. People who fly partner carriers but credit to UA, like me, are the big losers. I will spend something like $30K to reach 1K this year, but much less than $10K on 016 tickets.

I guess for some of the tickets I bought from LH or other partners, I could possibly have bought them from United, but it never occurred to me to do that. The devaluation of the alliance relationship is the most surprising thing about this.

I have a legitimate international address, which I guess I can use. I'll have to consider the implications of that.
Exactly. But then, they won't miss us, just as we won't miss them.

Miles & More here I come....
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