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MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

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If you have calculated the PQDs for a trip at less than 80% of the total cost, you are very likely doing something wrong. Have you made sure to include the International Surcharge (YQ)? Have you read all of the materials linked above, and the frequently made points listed below?

Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.
  • Will there be a calculator that shows PQD, and will that calculator be accurate?
  • What exactly will count toward PQD?
    United states:
    Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
    Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
    Flights operated by a Star Alliance® or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
    Economy Plus purchases

    will count towards PQD.

    Thus:
    • The amount of co-pay when using miles to upgrade..
    • The cost of PQMs/RDMs purchased when using the premier / award accelerator..
    • The value of ETCs (or is it considered a discount from the fare?). (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include) -Note: the Mileage plus site indicates ETC's count towards PQD (12/16/13 imgonnafly)
    • The face value e-certs and travel vouchers.. (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include)
    • The cost of a paid upgrade..
    • An extra seat purchase (such as for a customer of size or a musical instrument); it does not presently count toward PQM.
    • Change fees.
    will not count toward PQD.
  • How will PQD be determined for UA metal segments without 016 stock ticket?
  • What happens if I depart in December and return in January?
    Just like PQM, PQD for the applicable part of fare for the segment is credited based on the departure date (year) of the segment flown. Segment fares are calculated using standard rules of the past. For the case cited there would be PQD credited in DEC 2013 (no value) and PQD applied to 2014 applicable to 2014 and 2015 status renewal.
  • How will UA evaluate the address issue for the PQD exemption?
  • It is not clear how the timing of achieving the minimum PQD requirement will impact earning RPUs and GPUs. Examples:
    • If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
    • Do only 1Ks/GSs earn additional RPUs by flying beyond the 100k mark?
    • If a 1K crosses the 100,000 PQM mark in January 201x, the $10,000 PQD mark on December 31 201x, and ends up flying a total of 200,000 PQMs for the year 201x, how many RPUs / GPUs will be earned?
    • Will Platinums earn 2 RPUs when crossing the 75k mark but none at incremental levels thereafter (e.g. a Plat who flies 100k EQMs, but does not meet the 1K spend, would *not* earn two more RPUs)?
  • How does IRROPs affect earning of PQDs?
FMP (Frequently Made Points)
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):
  • You might not be hitting the PQD minimums as easily as you think you are, given exceptions, taxes, and the existence of cheap fares.
  • It is possible for leisure travelers and even some business travelers to average well under 10cpm. This doesn't just affect "leisure 1Ks" and people on the edge of categories.
  • Presidential Plus card members (exempted from Silver/Gold/Plat PQD requirements) are most likely exempted because the FlexPQM program would complicate matters.
  • Manufacturing $25,000 spend might not actually be so hard. There's a whole forum on it.
  • The exceptions don't really make sense where there is a revenue-sharing joint venture in place, such as with LH on TATL routes.
  • Leaving UA for AA over objections to dollar-based status may be futile because all the majors will likely go to this model with the possible exception of the AS program which allows you to bank your DL and AA miles into one account (DL has already).
  • UA is tracking spend on UA metal now.
  • YQ, also known as the "international surcharge," is a carrier-imposed surcharge and is included in PQD.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by iahkid2014 View Post
Well as a Silver who only qualifies on liesure travel this is a change I hate! Good thing I'm entering the business world next year so hopefully I'll have some work travel to meet the spend limit.
I too earn status on leisure travel and mileage runs so this is not good...now I have to figure out which (if any) airline is least likely to pick up this new revenue based model--maybe AS??? *fingers crossed*
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:29 am
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Starting in 2014: Changes to Premier qualification

Hey Aaron, for the $2,500 can I have my E+ and two checked bags back?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
Leisure flyers, and out-of-pocket flyers are toast as elites.
Except for those of us that live outside the USA for the moment

I side note that this seams like a STUPID idea considering how easy it is to get a mail forwarding address in UK/AU/NZ that for less then $50 year will forward your mail back to the USA
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
The die is cast. There is no doubt the new AA/US program will introduce a revenue requirement.
Dougie won't pass this up.

I wonder if this will be the end of mileage runs?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:29 am
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From what I've read taxes and gov't opposed fees don't apply to PQD but "surcharges" and other revenue streams for UA will...
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
Leisure flyers, and out-of-pocket flyers are toast as elites.
But they can still have many of the benefits by simplying carrying the Chase credit card.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by Blootch View Post
Honestly this really only effects this who earn 1k on a pure mileage running basis.
who does that????? Like 5 people?

You know there is an in-between between corporate-backed drone on a Y fare to the next work meeting, and a pure MR'er.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by XCstud View Post
Oh...just noticed you had that great little "most" qualifier. What UA tickets are excluded?
My guess wuld be the same ones that do not count now.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:31 am
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After looking at this further, I am surprised the $$$ requirements for each of the levels are not higher (i.e. 1K at 15,000).

Oops! Did I just give them another "enhancement" idea?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by AAExPlat View Post
I get that. My hope is that this moe signals a commitment to valuing higher status more than a single transaction. Just hope right now. I could be completely off base.
I of course hope the same - but I highly doubt we'll see any added benefits to 2015 status (other than maybe some thinning of the ranks)
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:33 am
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So, does this also signal the end of purchasing PQM miles once you've purchased a ticket?

At least they didn't announce this on Friday afternoon.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:33 am
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To those who say this will only affect MR-ers: There's this thing called leisure travel, which is often done at less than 10 cpm.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:34 am
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Another concern of mine would be whether the PQDs are counted strictly by spend on the airfare line item and not YQ or 'international surcharges'. YQ/int'l surcharge is often 50% or more of the base airfare.

Originally Posted by halls120 View Post
I wonder if this will be the end of mileage runs?
Yes, for status-earned-solely-by-MR, but for many, having a higher spend with lower mileage may encourage more mileage-running to take advantage of the PQD level you already hit. E.g., the 65k PQM/year domestic business traveler who spends 25k a year in airfare may be inclined to take an el-cheapo MR or two to get to Plat, where previously there may have been no incentive to do so. The value of the UA miles as a currency (assuming no devaluation) makes some MR attractive notwithstanding status.

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy View Post
That's a whole different kettle of fish.
IMHO
This gives the opportunity to award status based on spend alone
EG... if someone is blowing 20K year doing a single R/T in paid F from SYD->SFO
Then IMHO they maybe are worth giving Gold to just so when they call up to book the next ticket they dont talk to the OS call centre
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by goingbananas View Post
After looking at this further, I am surprised the $$$ requirements for each of the levels are not higher (i.e. 1K at 15,000).

Oops! Did I just give them another "enhancement" idea?
When this change was first floated in 2011, http://boardingarea.com/blogs/onemil...-plus-program/ , the amounts mentioned at the time were $2000/$4000/$6000/$8000 PQD + 25k/50k/75k/100k miles OR $5k/$10k/$15k/$20k PQD alone.

The US economy was somewhat weaker at the time, however. Since fall 2011 the S&P 500 is up about 46% and UAUA is up about 86%.

Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
Another concern of mine would be whether the PQDs are counted strictly by spend on the airfare line item and not YQ or 'international surcharges'. YQ/int'l surcharge is often 50% or more of the base airfare.
I don't think that will be a problem. YQ should count as a "carrier-imposed surcharge" (the language used in the FAQ) and should count towards the kind of spending UA says they intend to track. It goes towards carrier revenue, after all.
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