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MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

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If you have calculated the PQDs for a trip at less than 80% of the total cost, you are very likely doing something wrong. Have you made sure to include the International Surcharge (YQ)? Have you read all of the materials linked above, and the frequently made points listed below?

Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.
  • Will there be a calculator that shows PQD, and will that calculator be accurate?
  • What exactly will count toward PQD?
    United states:
    Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
    Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
    Flights operated by a Star Alliance® or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
    Economy Plus purchases

    will count towards PQD.

    Thus:
    • The amount of co-pay when using miles to upgrade..
    • The cost of PQMs/RDMs purchased when using the premier / award accelerator..
    • The value of ETCs (or is it considered a discount from the fare?). (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include) -Note: the Mileage plus site indicates ETC's count towards PQD (12/16/13 imgonnafly)
    • The face value e-certs and travel vouchers.. (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include)
    • The cost of a paid upgrade..
    • An extra seat purchase (such as for a customer of size or a musical instrument); it does not presently count toward PQM.
    • Change fees.
    will not count toward PQD.
  • How will PQD be determined for UA metal segments without 016 stock ticket?
  • What happens if I depart in December and return in January?
    Just like PQM, PQD for the applicable part of fare for the segment is credited based on the departure date (year) of the segment flown. Segment fares are calculated using standard rules of the past. For the case cited there would be PQD credited in DEC 2013 (no value) and PQD applied to 2014 applicable to 2014 and 2015 status renewal.
  • How will UA evaluate the address issue for the PQD exemption?
  • It is not clear how the timing of achieving the minimum PQD requirement will impact earning RPUs and GPUs. Examples:
    • If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
    • Do only 1Ks/GSs earn additional RPUs by flying beyond the 100k mark?
    • If a 1K crosses the 100,000 PQM mark in January 201x, the $10,000 PQD mark on December 31 201x, and ends up flying a total of 200,000 PQMs for the year 201x, how many RPUs / GPUs will be earned?
    • Will Platinums earn 2 RPUs when crossing the 75k mark but none at incremental levels thereafter (e.g. a Plat who flies 100k EQMs, but does not meet the 1K spend, would *not* earn two more RPUs)?
  • How does IRROPs affect earning of PQDs?
FMP (Frequently Made Points)
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):
  • You might not be hitting the PQD minimums as easily as you think you are, given exceptions, taxes, and the existence of cheap fares.
  • It is possible for leisure travelers and even some business travelers to average well under 10cpm. This doesn't just affect "leisure 1Ks" and people on the edge of categories.
  • Presidential Plus card members (exempted from Silver/Gold/Plat PQD requirements) are most likely exempted because the FlexPQM program would complicate matters.
  • Manufacturing $25,000 spend might not actually be so hard. There's a whole forum on it.
  • The exceptions don't really make sense where there is a revenue-sharing joint venture in place, such as with LH on TATL routes.
  • Leaving UA for AA over objections to dollar-based status may be futile because all the majors will likely go to this model with the possible exception of the AS program which allows you to bank your DL and AA miles into one account (DL has already).
  • UA is tracking spend on UA metal now.
  • YQ, also known as the "international surcharge," is a carrier-imposed surcharge and is included in PQD.
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Moderator's Note:

2014 version of this thread can be found here:


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...2014-a-15.html

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by jonk View Post
what year do PQDs count? i mean, i have a flight to TLV booked for next year -- do those dollars get counted for 2014 PQDs since i'm flying in 2014, or are they counted towards 2013 PQDs (=nothing) since i bought the ticket in 2013?
In the abscence of an official response - I'll guess they WON'T count for 2014 spend, as this is basically saying this program starts for the 2015 elite qualifying year (so 2014 flights). If they DID count, this would suggest UA IT has/will have the ability to see a purchase in one year and have it "count" for whenever it's actually flown...I have my doubts.

But who knows....

Originally Posted by Shareholder View Post
Of course, after DL did this, it was likely others would follow.
...and yet the DL plan technically hasn't even gone into place yet (won't til 1/1/14), and thus the ramifications of any downside to it haven't appeared yet. But UA blindly copied it...

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by jonk View Post
what year do pqds count? I mean, i have a flight to tlv booked for next year -- do those dollars get counted for 2014 pqds since i'm flying in 2014, or are they counted towards 2013 pqds (=nothing) since i bought the ticket in 2013?
2014 pqd for 2015 qualification. The reason I say this is nothing has counted previously for any year until you actually fly, and then it is from 1/1 until 12/31.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:18 am
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Honestly this really only effects this who earn 1k on a pure mileage running basis. I qualified for 1k this year based on roughly half business half personal travel, and my spend was around $10k, which of course included taxes.

Unless business travel picks up next year though, I doubt I'll make the PQD cut. Either way I'm for thechanges, and think thinning the ranks at the top is only a good thing. All others can mmanufacture spend, or just put all spend on the CC for waiver.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:19 am
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Who has a foreign address?

Might be a good time to change your "official residence" - any downside to this?

Does the Premier qualifying dollars (PQD) requirement apply to members who reside outside of the United States?

No. The Premier qualifying dollar (PQD) requirement only applies to members whose primary MileagePlus account address is in the 50 United States or the District of Columbia. Members who use U.S. military or diplomatic addresses (APO, DPO or FPO) are exempt from the PQD requirement.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:19 am
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Gosh, this is a tough one. Stay with UA during 2014 and ride out the last "good" year of 1K status, or head to Executive Platinum immediately?

Even though I'm based in London and am not immediately affected by this change, I can see the writing on the wall.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:19 am
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Well as a Silver who only qualifies on liesure travel this is a change I hate! Good thing I'm entering the business world next year so hopefully I'll have some work travel to meet the spend limit.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by oblisk View Post
So people like a friend of mine who do ORD-EWR rt 3 times a month, monday-thursday at like 800+ a pop, don't gain the benefit of higher tier status. Easily cover the spend, no chance on any real status.
Is your friend me? I've done that flight 6 times in 2 month. At the end, I'll spend 15-20K this year and still be Gold. If they add spend, they should just make me 1K as, it looks like I'm the flyer Jeff likes!
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by mherdeg View Post
Gosh, this is a tough one. Stay with UA during 2014 and ride out the last "good" year of 1K status, or head to Executive Platinum immediately?
The die is cast. There is no doubt the new AA/US program will introduce a revenue requirement.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
...and yet the DL plan technically hasn't even gone into place yet (won't til 1/1/14), and thus the ramifications of any downside to it haven't appeared yet. But UA blindly copied it...
You are correct about the study of ramifications, but UA has been looking at doing this fr a while.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
Um - this doesn't preclude them from continuing to offer up TODs and skip elites on the waitlist, violating their own advance purchase rules on V-ups and the like, etc.
I get that. My hope is that this moe signals a commitment to valuing higher status more than a single transaction. Just hope right now. I could be completely off base.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by iahkid2014 View Post
Well as a Silver who only qualifies on liesure travel this is a change I hate! Good thing I'm entering the business world next year so hopefully I'll have some work travel to meet the spend limit.
Leisure flyers, and out-of-pocket flyers are toast as elites.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by oblisk View Post
So people like a friend of mine who do ORD-EWR rt 3 times a month, monday-thursday at like 800+ a pop, don't gain the benefit of higher tier status. Easily cover the spend, no chance on any real status.
Of course, under the existing program they wouldn't get status either.

What you would seem to prefer is either a pure spend system, or a spend system with a minimum mileage requirement. That's a whole different kettle of fish.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by Blootch View Post
Honestly this really only effects this who earn 1k on a pure mileage running basis. I qualified for 1k this year based on roughly half business half personal travel, and my spend was around $10k, which of course included taxes.

Unless business travel picks up next year though, I doubt I'll make the PQD cut. Either way I'm for thechanges, and think thinning the ranks at the top is only a good thing. All others can mmanufacture spend, or just put all spend on the CC for waiver.
+1. I did need MRs at the end of the year to get to 1K, but $500+ RTs to Denver add up fast on the revenue component.

Looking back (I'm half MR/Leisure and half work) in 2012 my spend was $11.5K on 102K miles. 2011 was $7k on 55k miles, 2010 was $8k on 61k, 2009 was $8k on 133k (DEQM year). So 10 c/eqm isn't a huge deal. That said, I do include vouchers in my totals - we'll have to see how that plays out.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by villox View Post
Me too. I think the only people being affected by this would be people who are doing exclusively mileage runs.
Originally Posted by Blootch View Post
Honestly this really only effects this who earn 1k on a pure mileage running basis. I qualified for 1k this year based on roughly half business half personal travel, and my spend was around $10k, which of course included taxes.
Not quite.. I'm based near 3 US/DL only airports (ILM/OAJ/EWN) and often buy US tickets and credit miles toward UA. However, I regularly drive to RDU for UA metal and try to get UA when I'm not starting at home. I'm sure others are in this same predicament.

However, with US/AA leaving *A sometime soon (before this change takes effect), it's a moot point.. AA is already calling unless UA can come to eastern NC.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:27 am
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I think the move makes sense and I welcome it. I don't think $0.10/mile is that outrageous. If it thins out the elite ranks, then it should improve upgrades for the HVFs who UA wants to keep.

Two questions-

Does the total ticket price including taxes and fees count toward PQD or just the base fare? I have a ticket that cost about $3000 and it's roughly $2100 base fare and $900 taxes. Would this be $3000 or $2100 PQD?

By partner airlines, does that mean if I book any class ticket on any *A airline the $$ counts toward PQD or by partner are you referring to UX and/or codeshares?

Oh...just noticed you had that great little "most" qualifier. What UA tickets are excluded?
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