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MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

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If you have calculated the PQDs for a trip at less than 80% of the total cost, you are very likely doing something wrong. Have you made sure to include the International Surcharge (YQ)? Have you read all of the materials linked above, and the frequently made points listed below?

Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.
  • Will there be a calculator that shows PQD, and will that calculator be accurate?
  • What exactly will count toward PQD?
    United states:
    Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
    Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
    Flights operated by a Star Alliance® or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
    Economy Plus purchases

    will count towards PQD.

    Thus:
    • The amount of co-pay when using miles to upgrade..
    • The cost of PQMs/RDMs purchased when using the premier / award accelerator..
    • The value of ETCs (or is it considered a discount from the fare?). (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include) -Note: the Mileage plus site indicates ETC's count towards PQD (12/16/13 imgonnafly)
    • The face value e-certs and travel vouchers.. (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include)
    • The cost of a paid upgrade..
    • An extra seat purchase (such as for a customer of size or a musical instrument); it does not presently count toward PQM.
    • Change fees.
    will not count toward PQD.
  • How will PQD be determined for UA metal segments without 016 stock ticket?
  • What happens if I depart in December and return in January?
    Just like PQM, PQD for the applicable part of fare for the segment is credited based on the departure date (year) of the segment flown. Segment fares are calculated using standard rules of the past. For the case cited there would be PQD credited in DEC 2013 (no value) and PQD applied to 2014 applicable to 2014 and 2015 status renewal.
  • How will UA evaluate the address issue for the PQD exemption?
  • It is not clear how the timing of achieving the minimum PQD requirement will impact earning RPUs and GPUs. Examples:
    • If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
    • Do only 1Ks/GSs earn additional RPUs by flying beyond the 100k mark?
    • If a 1K crosses the 100,000 PQM mark in January 201x, the $10,000 PQD mark on December 31 201x, and ends up flying a total of 200,000 PQMs for the year 201x, how many RPUs / GPUs will be earned?
    • Will Platinums earn 2 RPUs when crossing the 75k mark but none at incremental levels thereafter (e.g. a Plat who flies 100k EQMs, but does not meet the 1K spend, would *not* earn two more RPUs)?
  • How does IRROPs affect earning of PQDs?
FMP (Frequently Made Points)
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):
  • You might not be hitting the PQD minimums as easily as you think you are, given exceptions, taxes, and the existence of cheap fares.
  • It is possible for leisure travelers and even some business travelers to average well under 10cpm. This doesn't just affect "leisure 1Ks" and people on the edge of categories.
  • Presidential Plus card members (exempted from Silver/Gold/Plat PQD requirements) are most likely exempted because the FlexPQM program would complicate matters.
  • Manufacturing $25,000 spend might not actually be so hard. There's a whole forum on it.
  • The exceptions don't really make sense where there is a revenue-sharing joint venture in place, such as with LH on TATL routes.
  • Leaving UA for AA over objections to dollar-based status may be futile because all the majors will likely go to this model with the possible exception of the AS program which allows you to bank your DL and AA miles into one account (DL has already).
  • UA is tracking spend on UA metal now.
  • YQ, also known as the "international surcharge," is a carrier-imposed surcharge and is included in PQD.
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2014 version of this thread can be found here:


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...2014-a-15.html

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by AAExPlat View Post
Well. Not unexpected. I really think this makes sense and I support this move. I wish AA did it, too. It is a much better model than transactional loyalty on a one-off basis. Now that status is more meaningful, that should bode well for those who fulfill the published criteria.
Um - this doesn't preclude them from continuing to offer up TODs and skip elites on the waitlist, violating their own advance purchase rules on V-ups and the like, etc.

Aaron - can we assume that spend on a no-longer-offered, legacy Chase card will count towards the waiver? I.e., the old MP Platinum / Select cards?

(I guess this isn't even that relevant for me as 1Ks have been opted out of this...)

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:01 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingNut724 View Post
Only if the ticket is booked through UA and has a ticket number starting with 016.
So ticket issued by partner airlines, code share and operated by United will not count towards PQD? How about ticket booked through websites such as Orbitz and ticket issued by UA?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by CAPT Tee View Post
So ticket issued by partner airlines, code share and operated by United will not count towards PQD? How about ticket booked through websites such as Orbitz and ticket issued by UA?
Tickets issued by UA and Orbitz (should be 016) should count.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by CAPT Tee View Post
So ticket issued by partner airlines, code share and operated by United will not count towards PQD? How about ticket booked through websites such as Orbitz and ticket issued by UA?
1 ) Yes - those should not count. 2) Yes - those should count.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:04 am
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Aaron,

What counts toward PQD?

I'm guessing taxes are out, but it would be very disappointing if the "fuel surcharge" or other pure revenue streams aren't counted.

Will there be an easy way to track this, or are we in for surprises at the end of the year?

Discounts? Let's say I use a $200 voucher from a previous service failure, are we "penalized" for using a discount because of a United screw-up?

I've been routed to other carriers 3 times this year...What about Original Routing Credit (ORC) for revenue? Automatic on 016 stock, or a process like getting miles credited?

The $.10 CPM probably isn't a big deal for me, but it may be close in coming years, I'd like to know the real parameters. This seems like a disaster to try to keep track of.

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Here's hoping this at least helps 1K status return to a shade of its previous glory!

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:05 am
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Is the UA website going to track PQD or will that be done behind the scenes?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by trekwars2000 View Post
Why even have the mileage requirement?
So people like a friend of mine who do ORD-EWR rt 3 times a month, monday-thursday at like 800+ a pop, don't gain the benefit of higher tier status. Easily cover the spend, no chance on any real status.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:06 am
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Will a spend tracker return to the website so we can see where we stand w/r/t the PQD requirement, or will we have to do our own accounting and hope it matches UA's internal figures?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:07 am
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Does the entire cost of the ticket counts towards PQD - including taxes and fees?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by CAPT Tee View Post
Does the entire cost of the ticket counts towards PQD - including taxes and fees?
Of course nt...


You earn PQD for the base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges on qualifying tickets. Certain specialty tickets, including but not limited to unpublished, consolidator, group/tour, and opaque fares do not earn PQD. Just as with Premier qualifying miles (PQM) and Premier qualifying segments (PQS), we will credit the account of the member who travels, not the member who purchases the ticket.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:09 am
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what year do PQDs count? i mean, i have a flight to TLV booked for next year -- do those dollars get counted for 2014 PQDs since i'm flying in 2014, or are they counted towards 2013 PQDs (=nothing) since i bought the ticket in 2013?
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:11 am
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The following spending counts toward the PQD requirement:

Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
Flights operated by a Star Alliance or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
Economy Plus purchases
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by AAExPlat View Post
Well. Not unexpected. I really think this makes sense and I support this move. I wish AA did it, too. It is a much better model than transactional loyalty on a one-off basis. Now that status is more meaningful, that should bode well for those who fulfill the published criteria.
I expect AA will, though maybe not until the merged FF program is announced. Though because AA doesn't give COS for EQMs this may not be necessary since one must actually fly more seat miles in discounted fares to qualify for elite tiers. And the ticket price factors into EQPs which lets you earn status flying fewer seat miles. While not exactly the same, it does bring spend into the equation more than the UA did.

The real hang up is STAR flights booked and ticketed on non-016 stock.

Of course, after DL did this, it was likely others would follow.

That said, as a Canadian resident, doesn't affect me...for the moment.

Originally Posted by jonk View Post
what year do PQDs count? i mean, i have a flight to TLV booked for next year -- do those dollars get counted for 2014 PQDs since i'm flying in 2014, or are they counted towards 2013 PQDs (=nothing) since i bought the ticket in 2013?
They'd count for 2014 spend. Otherwise people could bulk up and buy refundable tickets for 2015, but cancel them when they received status for the 2015 benefit year based on that spend.

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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by jonk View Post
what year do PQDs count? i mean, i have a flight to TLV booked for next year -- do those dollars get counted for 2014 PQDs since i'm flying in 2014, or are they counted towards 2013 PQDs (=nothing) since i bought the ticket in 2013?
They count when they are flown.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 7:14 am
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A lot of the questions that are being brought up here have been answered in the Q&A section here:

http://www.mileageplusupdates.com/faqs.html
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