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MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]

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If you have calculated the PQDs for a trip at less than 80% of the total cost, you are very likely doing something wrong. Have you made sure to include the International Surcharge (YQ)? Have you read all of the materials linked above, and the frequently made points listed below?

Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.
  • Will there be a calculator that shows PQD, and will that calculator be accurate?
  • What exactly will count toward PQD?
    United states:
    Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
    Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
    Flights operated by a Star Alliance® or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
    Economy Plus purchases

    will count towards PQD.

    Thus:
    • The amount of co-pay when using miles to upgrade..
    • The cost of PQMs/RDMs purchased when using the premier / award accelerator..
    • The value of ETCs (or is it considered a discount from the fare?). (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include) -Note: the Mileage plus site indicates ETC's count towards PQD (12/16/13 imgonnafly)
    • The face value e-certs and travel vouchers.. (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include)
    • The cost of a paid upgrade..
    • An extra seat purchase (such as for a customer of size or a musical instrument); it does not presently count toward PQM.
    • Change fees.
    will not count toward PQD.
  • How will PQD be determined for UA metal segments without 016 stock ticket?
  • What happens if I depart in December and return in January?
    Just like PQM, PQD for the applicable part of fare for the segment is credited based on the departure date (year) of the segment flown. Segment fares are calculated using standard rules of the past. For the case cited there would be PQD credited in DEC 2013 (no value) and PQD applied to 2014 applicable to 2014 and 2015 status renewal.
  • How will UA evaluate the address issue for the PQD exemption?
  • It is not clear how the timing of achieving the minimum PQD requirement will impact earning RPUs and GPUs. Examples:
    • If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
    • Do only 1Ks/GSs earn additional RPUs by flying beyond the 100k mark?
    • If a 1K crosses the 100,000 PQM mark in January 201x, the $10,000 PQD mark on December 31 201x, and ends up flying a total of 200,000 PQMs for the year 201x, how many RPUs / GPUs will be earned?
    • Will Platinums earn 2 RPUs when crossing the 75k mark but none at incremental levels thereafter (e.g. a Plat who flies 100k EQMs, but does not meet the 1K spend, would *not* earn two more RPUs)?
  • How does IRROPs affect earning of PQDs?
FMP (Frequently Made Points)
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):
  • You might not be hitting the PQD minimums as easily as you think you are, given exceptions, taxes, and the existence of cheap fares.
  • It is possible for leisure travelers and even some business travelers to average well under 10cpm. This doesn't just affect "leisure 1Ks" and people on the edge of categories.
  • Presidential Plus card members (exempted from Silver/Gold/Plat PQD requirements) are most likely exempted because the FlexPQM program would complicate matters.
  • Manufacturing $25,000 spend might not actually be so hard. There's a whole forum on it.
  • The exceptions don't really make sense where there is a revenue-sharing joint venture in place, such as with LH on TATL routes.
  • Leaving UA for AA over objections to dollar-based status may be futile because all the majors will likely go to this model with the possible exception of the AS program which allows you to bank your DL and AA miles into one account (DL has already).
  • UA is tracking spend on UA metal now.
  • YQ, also known as the "international surcharge," is a carrier-imposed surcharge and is included in PQD.
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Moderator's Note:

2014 version of this thread can be found here:


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...2014-a-15.html

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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
Leisure flyers, and out-of-pocket flyers are toast as elites.
No, just those who buy only the very deepest discount fares. IME, you have to really try hard to not spend at least .10 per EQM. I've got a Hawaii trip coming up at .15/mile. My fall trip to Europe for the Berlin Marathon (P fare) prices out at .21/mile.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by dsquared37 View Post
Most of those holding status from this point onward will be those whose don't even pay for their own tix.
In other words, price-insensitive travelers. I can't imagine why UA would want to treat these people like gold...
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
No, just those who buy only the very deepest discount fares. IME, you have to really try hard to not spend at least .10 per EQM. I've got a Hawaii trip coming up at .15/mile. My fall trip to Europe for the Berlin Marathon (P fare) prices out at .21/mile.
Taxes DO NOT count.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:38 am
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For those wondering about the credit cards, UA MileagePlus Explorer gives 10K bonus RDM at $25K.

At Delta, one can earn 10k MQM/RDM at $25K or 15K MQM/RDM at $30K depending on the card. And CC spend is waived for top tier DM unlike 1K
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by Downunder girl View Post
I can think of one major downside of changing to an "international" address: we are usually excluded from all the good promos that are offered to the USA members. Been lots of double miles/status credit promos in the past that anyone outside of the USA were not allowed to register for.
Apart from that - having your account located outside of the USA may (should) disqualify one from attaching a US-based UA credit card (and using any benefits as a result of having such card) to your account.

Originally Posted by dsquared37 View Post
The losers aren't mileage runners, rather the losers are anyone whose travel isn't paid for by work.


Most of those holding status from this point onward will be those whose don't even pay for their own tix.

The truth indeed.
BINGO!



Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
My fall trip to Europe for the Berlin Marathon (P fare) prices out at .21/mile.
sorry, but a typical leisure traveler does not purchase P fares.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by Downunder girl View Post
I can think of one major downside of changing to an "international" address: we are usually excluded from all the good promos that are offered to the USA members.
You're operating under the assumption there are any good promos these days. Been quite a while since I got to participate in a worthwhile one; even the mediocre ones get trashed by UA bungling their implementation and then clawing back miles ("Map Your Nightmares"), or making pax work hard to even get what they deserve ("Months of Migraines").

IIRC, almost all the DEQM promos post-2008 have been tightly targeted: residents of a particular region, for example.


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 View Post
As I said: "Good luck with that".
Indeed. I can't get .bomb to even admit there are flights to/from several *A-served cities.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by exerda View Post
It will also induce some travelers to go elsewhere. Heck, you can still buy top-tier status on US for far less than what UA wants as just their "copay" with miles earning.
If you think that AA is going to be selling EXP for $4K or less a pop, once the merger advances to the point where US and AA join programs, I have a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. My guess is it's 50/50 that some FTers will be able to game a one-time only CP->EXP match that way, but it's not going to be an ongoing thing.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:41 am
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Hopefully they will still honor the Premier Gold for 1MM's.

I guess I'll drop to Gold. My business travels definitely exceed 100,000 PQM, but I'm probably around 6,500$

I'm only allowed to travel on the "lowest fare." This includes economy TATL and TPAC.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by CO_Nonrev_elite View Post
A couple of thoughts

1. 1K are punished in that their spend on UA credit cards doesn't give a waiver, where as it does give a waiver for Silver, Gold and Platinum. Always good to punish the ones who fly the most.
That's what hurts the most....go after your most loyal fliers. That being said, it will definitely thin the 1k crowd quite a bit and there will be a bumper crop of Platinums.

As for *A becoming Skyteam, we've seen some signs of that already with the entire Turkish crediting debacle.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
If you think that AA is going to be selling EXP for $4K or less a pop, once the merger advances to the point where US and AA join programs, I have a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
The point being they currently do, and no one is sure what their merged program will look like (if US is running the show like CO is at UA, I suspect the option to purchase top tier status won't die such a quick death as some think). They may not even have regulatory approval by next year, so pax could go ahead and buy there early next year vs. worrying about UA's 2014 rules.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
Clever people will find ways to "move" anyway.
And some of us now have a reason to use our foreign address rather a much more convenient US address.... not that I'm happy about that.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy View Post
I understand what the post was about.

The supposed harm is that DL signaled to competitors that it was going to adopt a new FF model with the hope that its competitors would go along, which United did.

The defense (or claimed benefit) is that announcing in advance was not for anticompetitive purposes but rather to provide customers with knowledge of what they would have to do to obtain elite status. Indeed, knowledge of this change may make seeking elite status on DL or UA less attractive relative to alternatives--why be elite on DL or UA if next year you'll want to fly an airline without such requirements so can't use your elite status.

Both the harms and benefits would be considered before determining the signaling might have violated the antitrust laws.
Violations of antitrust/competition laws can take place even in the absence of harm/benefits being measurable. Punishment for all such violations do not require that the harm/benefit was realized.

Originally Posted by exerda View Post

Indeed. This would seem to devalue flying on the alliance somewhat. And doesn't UA get revenue from several of the JVs as it is? I hope those flights count toward spending, but as I said previously, I doubt UA's IT department can pull it off.
The ticket info for JV travel is accessible to UA, so not sure why it would be a problem for UA IT.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:44 am
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Two big to UA. I hope this move hurts more than it helps.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by warreng24 View Post
Hopefully they will still honor the Premier Gold for 1MM's.

I guess I'll drop to Gold. My business travels definitely exceed 100,000 PQM, but I'm probably around 6,500$

I'm only allowed to travel on the "lowest fare." This includes economy TATL and TPAC.
It's in the FAQ:

Does this program change affect any Million Miler lifetime status?

No. This change will not affect any lifetime Premier status. However, if on an annual basis, you qualify for a higher status level than your lifetime status, these qualification requirements will apply.
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Old Jun 18, 13, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by exerda View Post
This is going to hurt some US-based, primarily-international-flying pax. I looked at the base fares for some of my $1000+ international tickets, and those base fares ranged from $250 to $450. Sure, some of the difference will count (whatever portions are deemed "airline imposed surcharges"), but one of the tickets had over $300 in straight-out taxes on it, too. I can see pax getting rather ticked that their "expensive" tickets don't actually count much.

Yeah, will the YQ charges count towards PQD?

Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Violations of antitrust/competition laws can take place even in the absence of harm/benefits being measurable. Punishment for all such violations do not require that the harm/benefit was realized.
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Even so, the harms and benefits need to be considered. You're assuming a harm and assuming away a benefit. It's not so clear-cut.

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