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Carry-on Bags and Personal Items that have been tested to fit in the New Sizers

Published carry-on limit: 9"x14"x22"
Actual sizer dimensions: 10"x15"x23"

Published personal item limit: 9"x10"x17"
Actual sizer dimensions: 9"x11"x18"

Bags that Fit Carry-On Sizer

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Bag Manufacturer      Model                   Date Test Location Comment
Briggs & Riley        Baseline 20"            03/2014   IAH      boraxo
Briggs & Riley        Torq                    01/2014   CLE      lordhamster
Briggs & Riley        Transcend TU220XW-4     03/2014   COS      mre5765. 311 bag had to be removed from outer pouch. Two weeks of clothes. 
Briggs & Riley        U122CX                  01/2014   SNA      sakaike
Briggs & Riley        BU119 (BRX 19 upright)  05/2014   SMF      PV_Premier, snug in 10" dimension even when packed lightly - bag fits in any mainline OH however :rolleyes:
Brookstone            Dash Office             01/2014   DSM      Fits OH E145/C200     
Eagle Creek           Hovercraft 22"          03/2014   CLT      Not stuffed full
eBags                 TLS Mini 21"EB2146-21W  04/2014           swco-not overstuffed, just fit
Heys                  Xcase                   12/2013   LAX      abaheti
Int'l Paper           Safeway Grocery         02/2014   IAH      IAH-OIL-TRASH
Kirkland              Signature 21.5          12/2013   SFO
Red Oxx               Air Boss                02/2014   SFO      N1120A (loaded)
Red Oxx               Sky Train               01/2014   SFO      N1120A (loaded)
Ricardo of BevHills   Dash 20inch Dual        01/2014            Fredd
                        Wheel Spinner                            Costco @ $50-expandable
Rick Steves           Backpack                12/2013   LAX      LaserSailor
Rimowa                Limbo Cabin IATA        02/2014   SEA      MSY-MSP
Rimowa                Salsa Deluxe IATA       02/2014   SEA      MSY-MSP
Samsonite             Aspire Lite             03/2014   DEN     
Samsonite             Short-Lite 2-wheeled    12/2013   ORD      Lightest bag out there
Samsonite             Silhouette Sphere 21"   05/2014   BOS      Fits perfectly but very snugly
Tom Bihn              Aeronaut                03/2014            Uncle Dave - fits every dimension with room to spare
Travelite Delite      v 2.0                   02/2014   ORD      exbayern (bag full)
TravelPro             Crew 4 22"              08/2014   SFO      Not stuffed full
TravelPro             Crew 7 20"              12/2013   KWI      full - not expanded FriendlySkies
TravelPro             Crew 8 22"              11/2013   DFW      Not stuffed full
TravelPro             Crew 9 21" spinner      02/2014   ORD      ilovesprint not stuffed
TravelPro             FlightCrew3 22"         02/2014   BOS      Not stuffed full. Very snug fit CDKing
TravelPro             FlightCrew4 20"         various            Not stuffed
TravelPro             Maxlite2 20in           12/2013   SFO      Expandable too
TravelPro             Maxlite2 22in           03/2014            Snug fit not stuffed
TravelPro             Maxlite3 21"            04/2014   EWR      EmileG - full, outside compartment empty
TravelPro             Walkabout Spinners2 21" 04/2014   EWR      EmileG - full, outside compartment empty
TravelPro             Walkabout Lite 4        03/2014   IND      United747 - pretty empty bag to start with
TUMI Alpha            22922                   Many      FLL      DelrayChris
TUMI Alpha            28251 lw Continental    03/2014   EWR      lensman
TUMI Alpha 2          22021 Continental       04/2014   EWR      suzy1K - fit perfectly. Bag full, not expanded
TUMI Alpha International 20" 022020DH         04/2014   SFO      Snug if front pocket used, easy fit on 22/23" dimension by 1"
TUMI T-Tech           Int'l Carryon           04/2014            jeremiahsullivan
Victorinox            Avolve 22"              02/2014   SFO      MrOCTeckels - only with front pocket empty
Victorinox            Mobilizer NXT 5.0 20"   03/2014   ORD      gobluetwo - not expanded, every dimension fits with room to spare
Victorinox            WT 4.0 Duffel 21"       03/2014   ORD      gobluetwo - packed for 3 days, squeezed sides easily into sizer

Published personal item limit: 9"x10"x17"
Actual sizer dimensions: 9"x11"x18"

Bags that Fit Personal Item Sizer

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Bag Manufacturer       Model                 Date Test Location Comment
Briggs & Riley         Verb VB414-4           03/2014   COS      mre5765. Easy fit despite being stuffed with sleeved 13 inch lap top, ipad mini, kindle paperwhite, pills, papers, chargers, ...
Case Logic             14" ZLCS-214           04/2014   EWR      Fly5x
eBags                  TLS Pro Slim Laptop    04/2014
                       Backpack EB2146-16
Everki                 Versa Premium Backpack 07/2014   ORD      gobluetwo
Skooba                 Satchel v3             02/2014   ORD      ilovesprint
Tom Bihn               Co-Pilot               03/2014   SFO      frankmu
Tom Bihn               Super Ego              03/2014   GRR      LufthansaFlyer
Tom Binh               Western Flyer          01/2014   DSM      when packed "right"
Waterfield             Cargo Large            01/2014   SFO      MrOCTeckels
LL Bean                North Ridge Backpack   04/2014   LAX      fgirard  Works with a 13" MackBook, Asus Transformer packed inside

Bags that Do Not Fit Sizers

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Bag Manufacturer      Model                 Date Test Location Comment
Eagle Creek           Tarmac 20 wide        03/3014   AUS      Curvature on back increases width                                                                                        
Eagle Creek           Tarmac ES 22          03/2014            1/2 inch too tall
Gregory               Cache 22              03/2014   BOS      Cloudship
Timbuk2               Checkpoint Roller     12/2014   BOS      Cloudship
Tumi                  Alpha Backpack        03/2014   SEA      Full bag, fit length and height, 1/2" too tall when laying on side in personal sizer.

Official size as per Rule 23.B.2, Baggage, Contract of Carriage:

Quote:

https://www.united.com/web/format/pd...f_Carriage.pdf

Carry-on Baggage must not exceed the Maximum Outside Linear Dimensions of 9 inches (22 cm) x 14 inches (35 cm) x 22 inches (56 cm), which includes its wheels and handles.

Personal items must not exceed 9 inches (22 cm) x 10 inches (25 cm) x 17 inches (43 cm), which includes any wheels and handles.

A personal item that exceeds these maximum linear dimensions but is not greater than 9 inches (22 cm) x 14 inches (35 cm) x 22 inches (56 cm) will be considered as Carry-on Baggage. Carry-on Baggage or personal items suspected of being oversized may require being placed into a sizing unit to determine acceptability. Carry-on Baggage that exceeds the Maximum Linear Dimensions allowed or that exceeds the Carry-on Free Baggage Allowance will be considered as Checked Baggage and is subject to Checked Baggage service charges.

Under the 2013 contract of carriage, which is still valid for various tickets outstanding, the cabin baggage rule states a maximum of 45 linear inches combined for the LHW dimensions with no given side exceeding 22 inches. For such tickets, the cabin bag sizers are not lawfully applicable if the LHW combined linear inches don't exceed 45 linear inches and no side of the bag exceeds 22 inches. In other words for tickets issued last year, some bags allowed under the contract of carriage don't fit in the sizer without sticking out on at least one side.

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Nov 11, 2013, 9:21 pm

#91

GregMM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA

The specific size was not on the carryon page listed below as of January 12. The wayback machine apparently didn't index that page again until just under a month ago, when the specific size appears.

http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/trav...eCarry-On.aspx

Nov 11, 2013, 9:22 pm

#92

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rankourabu

If your bag actually fits in the sizer, what do you have to worry about, and how is it abuse?

If it doesnt - why should the rules be broken for a DYKWIA who thinks the rules dont apply to them - because his/her company paid for a more expensive ticket?

Thats the problem though - if it doesnt fit, GAs will let it go because they dont want the hassle "just this time"

Broken rule? Possibly but not a definite. As noted above, OR is a key word in the carry on rules. Watching the arguments at the gate over sizer vs total linear will be fun to watch

That doesn't excuse DYKWIA.

Who paid for the passenger's ticket is irrelavent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by morelegroom

.... what is says is :

The maximum combined linear measurement (length + width + height) of carry-on bags must not exceed 14 inches x 9 inches x 22 inches (23 x 35 x 56 cm) or 45 linear inches (114 cm).http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/trav...eCarry-On.aspx

I put emphasis on the "OR"

.....

this is actually critical to people who carry blueprints and artwork on board in boxes 4 x 4 x 36 "

Quote:

Originally Posted by tods27

The United policy is 9X14X22 OR 45 linear inches. The cube you reference easily is under the 45 linear inches.

Nov 11, 2013, 9:32 pm

#93

FlyWorld

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA

it has been on the website for awhile

A June 2013 post referencing the size http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20888040-post17.html
and a May 2013 post, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20808462-post37.html

believe it has been there much longer

Update -- A Dec 2012 quote of CoC with personal item dimensions, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19951300-post45.html

I remember some of those conversations. It does seem, though, that enforcement is now a focus, and I can tell you that my slightly large-ish personal item does not fit CO criteria and I've never once been prevented from bringing it on to a UA flight, and it fits under my seat, all the time.

Do we know if the new published CO regulations are same as what UA published but didn't really enforce? Or have they ratcheted it down?

Nov 11, 2013, 9:37 pm

#94

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You know, a good thing for us to do on this board would be to compile a list of common carry-on bags and whether they fit into the new sizer or not. I have a Costco rollaboard that is, in theory, 22x14x9, but I have no idea if it'll actually fit in the sizer. If they have any sizers at SFO on Friday, I'll check.

Nov 11, 2013, 9:40 pm

#95

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Often1

It's irrelevant whether the bag can be shoe-horned into the OH. What matters is whether it meets the published and contracted size limits which are all the sizer measures.

+1. There are many regulation size bags that won't fit in OH bins of specific aircraft. Certainly the RJs. I haven't been in a 320 with the new bins that I can recall, but IIRC, the way the plane is, near the front (F and E+ cabins), a 22" won't fit in, even wheels first horizontally, into the old ones.

The reason the rules are there is because UA was required to submit maximum bag dimensions to the FAA, which is the defacto standard for UA. An FAA inspector boarding a flight and seeing bags that are bigger than the allowed dimensions (or more than the allowed amount) can fine UA if they find them onboard. Buying F, or being [insert elite level here] doesn't change that.

I'm hoping the sizers are used consistantly. It only makes sense. For those who say UA is becoming a "Spirit" because of this - I don't think its unreasonable to charge the checked bag fee for bags that don't meet the published size requirements. And I don't think its unreasonable to levy an additional penalty charge for bags that come to the gate and are severely bigger than the stated dimensions.

I do also wish that UA would stick to the specific 9 X 14 X 22 max. dimensions, and get rid of the "or maximum 45 linear inches." Think that would help, too.

Nov 11, 2013, 9:50 pm

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A considerable number of rollaboards that won't fit in the bins wheels-first will actually fit perfectly well the other way round, wheels-outermost. It's a little more difficult to get them out again (unless they have a handle on the bottom as well as the top, as mine does), but it saves a lot of space.

I've also used this technique with rolling computer bags in overhead bins in RJs with great success.

Nov 11, 2013, 9:58 pm

#97

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Food as exemption...

At SFO the 2 bag limit is strictly enforced by the people manning the security lines. At ORD I noticed they were way more lenient as I wasn't questioned when the extra bag I had was food. In SFO this would have been no go.

Nov 11, 2013, 10:16 pm

#98

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kluau88

You got lucky at ORD. I've seen the AirServ dragons yell at pax in the security lines for having more than two bags (such as purse, laptop bag, and rollerboard). They're often on such big power trips when working that position

Nov 11, 2013, 10:27 pm

#99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FriendlySkies

I had a paper bag a little bigger than a Starbucks one.

Nov 11, 2013, 10:43 pm

#100

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Ironically, the last time a gate agent tried to separate me from my laptop, I calmly asked for a refund of my ticket (was fully refundable), bought a full fare last minute ticket on CO, and after a ~1 hour delay made it to my destination without being hassled.

Nov 12, 2013, 12:37 am

#101

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I've been traveling all weekend, and haven't been able to pollute this thread with my sizer-hate. I'm happy to see, though, that others have taken up the cause.

That said, I find that the new sizers are shockingly reasonable.

In case it hasn't been mentioned, the linear measurement limit has been added to the official gate boarding announcement, including the automated announcements at EWR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenInEscazu

This thread is getting on my last nerve. I have a Tumi hanging bag (I bought it on eBay, just so you'll know who I am), and it fits into anything from an E190 up with no problem. Technically, it is too large. In the real world, it fits just fine, and I always place my CPAP on top of it to minimize the amount of space I use in the overhead.

I'm guessing that you and I have the same hanging bag. Agents often tell me it's too large, and I just let them know that it squishes down to the dimensions of a typical roller, which is pretty true. FWIW, I tested it this weekend, and it actually fits (snugly) into the new sizer.

Nov 12, 2013, 1:14 am

#102

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mgcsinc

Oh I hope you are right. Thanks for sharing this. I'm sure that mine will squish down into it, too, except when I have every pocket filled to capacity and more hanging clothes than it was designed to hold.

Seriously, though, it does not take up any more space overhead than the average roller. I can always put my CPAP on top of it, so I'm taking up only my allotted space. Soft is good in carry-ons and women.

So are they giving everyone a hard time now? Did you repeatedly have to prove your size compliance? I was just flying last week, but I guess they didn't have them out yet at the airports I visited, so I'm curious what this rollout is like.

Nov 12, 2013, 6:41 am

#103

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spin88

The flight experience is rather pathetic on UAL right now, and the airline is doing really poorly in revenue measures. Why anyone would want UAL to be less friendly to its passengers is beyond me. All a diktat about baggage enforcement will do is allow GAs with petty power issues to roam free. That my 13 year old B&R 22" carry on - which has probably 4MM on it by now - fits some arbitrary sizer should not be the point, and you can be sure that I will be arguing with anyone who suggests I can't take it on board.

This is why I still travel a lot with my 15 year old Andiamo roller bag because it will fit the sizers....Why? because of the handle. A lot of Tumi bags and others have a "hard" handle that doesn't lay flat/flush and voila....it won't fit the sizer due to the handle sticking out the "hategents" get all fired up. I have seen this few times over the years.

Oh, BTW...and if you are flying UA as 1K or higher....better take your yellow handle wrap off as this will affect your bag fitting the sizer as well....

YMMV...