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epicurus Feb 6, 2013 9:12 am

UA or Copa to EZE
 
I have a NYC-EZE trip coming up. Options are:

Copa recliner JFK-PTY-EZE-PTY-JFK

OR

UA lie flat LGA-IAH-EZE, and use my own GPU to waitlist EZE-EWR (now RN=0).

Seat... lie flat is night and day comparing to recliner on 11 hour flight, but I am taking a risk of E+ on the way back, plus using one extra GPU

EQM... 16539 on Copa vs. 15007 on UA

What would you pick?

zrs70 Feb 6, 2013 9:15 am

Does it have to be one or the other? Can't you combine carriers on this ticket? Take UA down and copa back. (Is the return a day flight?)

epicurus Feb 6, 2013 9:17 am

No... cannot combine since I have a cost ceiling to stay under

UA is 10pm to 6am for return (11 hours)
Dopa is 1am (yes midnight) to 12pm (including PTY connection)


Originally Posted by zrs70 (Post 20196085)
Does it have to be one or the other? Can't you combine carriers on this ticket? Take UA down and copa back. (Is the return a day flight?)


trebex Feb 6, 2013 9:21 am

As you note, recliner vs flat bed is night and day. Many people like Copa F but I was not terribly impressed. UA 767 seats are quite comfortable and IFE is good. I'd go with that. But good luck finding an FA in between meal times.

epicurus Feb 6, 2013 9:30 am

Pardon my ignorance, what is IFE?

Also from the chance of upgrade, is it fair to assume that EZE-EWR has a better chance than EZE-IAH (legacy CO hub so elite heavy, large Hispanic population and presumably more biz connection with Latin America)


Originally Posted by trebex (Post 20196122)
As you note, recliner vs flat bed is night and day. Many people like Copa F but I was not terribly impressed. UA 767 seats are quite comfortable and IFE is good. I'd go with that. But good luck finding an FA in between meal times.


trebex Feb 6, 2013 9:31 am

In Flight Entertainment!

fjfv19 Feb 6, 2013 9:54 am


Originally Posted by epicurus (Post 20196178)
Pardon my ignorance, what is IFE?

Also from the chance of upgrade, is it fair to assume that EZE-EWR has a better chance than EZE-IAH (legacy CO hub so elite heavy, large Hispanic population and presumably more biz connection with Latin America)

I've flown both routes. They seem to both be difficult upgrades. Going through Houston is a more "direct" connection for most of the US including the entire west region, southeast and Midwest. To my knowledge, there are no direct flights from East Asia to EZE so you probably pick up some Asian traffic as well. Out of Newark, you have some European connections and get a the Northeast traffic from Boston, NYC and DC, which are pretty large metro areas with UA presence. With only one flight a day from both EWR and IAH, loads are usually pretty high. YMMV.

SJOFlyer Feb 6, 2013 10:16 am

I would fly Copa as it is more likely you will get upgraded on both flights than UA.

I upgraded 9/11 times last year with Copa and this year I am 2/2

epicurus Feb 6, 2013 10:31 am

I can buy in Copa F so it is guaranteed.

How do you like Copa F? is it more like United domestic first or like the old United recliner (like those on SFO-NRT two years ago)? How is the food and IFE?


Originally Posted by SJOFlyer (Post 20196501)
I would fly Copa as it is more likely you will get upgraded on both flights than UA.

I upgraded 9/11 times last year with Copa and this year I am 2/2


trebex Feb 6, 2013 10:55 am

Copa F is domestic first. You get a meal after takeoff and that's it, at least from JFK-PTY. Maybe there's a bit more from PTY-EZE. They have old fashion drop down screens, but from my experience there was never anything worth watching.

ironmanjt Feb 6, 2013 11:21 am


Originally Posted by trebex (Post 20196761)
Copa F is domestic first. You get a meal after takeoff and that's it, at least from JFK-PTY. Maybe there's a bit more from PTY-EZE. They have old fashion drop down screens, but from my experience there was never anything worth watching.

Nope, there's nothing more - but the other huge advantage I find to the Copa routing: no need for a redeye.

zrs70 Feb 6, 2013 11:21 am


Originally Posted by trebex (Post 20196761)
Copa F is domestic first. You get a meal after takeoff and that's it, at least from JFK-PTY. Maybe there's a bit more from PTY-EZE. They have old fashion drop down screens, but from my experience there was never anything worth watching.

Copa actually has two different versions of its F (actually C) cabin. One is equal to domestic F (in terms of seat, not service). The other ("Boeing Sky Interior") is a larger recliner seat with (I believe) in armrest screens. Probably best to equate that seat to BA's or NH's premium economy seat, or HA's F seat on their 330's.

Boeing Sky Interior Photos here:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archive...get_happy.html

IAH-OIL-TRASH Feb 6, 2013 11:24 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 20196936)
Nope, there's nothing more - but the other huge advantage I find to the Copa routing: no need for a redeye.

Also - PTY is one of the best airports in the world for transitting, IMHO.

trebex Feb 6, 2013 12:11 pm

I'm not sure they have seatback IFE. I couldn't find anything on their site or elsewhere showing that they do.

flycal312 Feb 6, 2013 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by zrs70 (Post 20196942)
Copa actually has two different versions of its F (actually C) cabin. One is equal to domestic F (in terms of seat, not service). The other ("Boeing Sky Interior") is a larger recliner seat with (I believe) in armrest screens. Probably best to equate that seat to BA's or NH's premium economy seat, or HA's F seat on their 330's.

Boeing Sky Interior Photos here:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archive...get_happy.html

I flew the Boeing Sky Interior plane last year PTY-JFK, and the seat is more like the UA C p.s. seat in terms of pitch and recline. It was a quite pleasant ride, but there are only a few of these planes.


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