Status of United's 787 Fleet

Old Jan 16, 13, 4:35 pm
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Perfect example of government regulators stepping in as appropriate.

While some companies managed to self-regulate and work to address the problem without government intervention (JL, NH), other companies chose to continue operating the plane until required by authorities to cease (UA).
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer View Post
They did what COlgan execs refused to do. Kudos to ANA, JAL and FAA.
That makes zero sense. Absolutely none. Kudos, seriously?


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Perfect example of government regulators stepping in as appropriate.

While some companies managed to self-regulate and work to address the problem without government intervention (JL, NH), other companies chose to continue operating the plane until required by authorities to cease (UA).
I presume you have a theory on which approach is better?
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by AntonS View Post
What about 787s that are currently in-flight, like UA32 LAX-NRT? Divert to SEA or perhaps ANC?
I'll do you one better

LO flew their inaugural 787 to ORD today, the plane is currently at ORD, supposed to head out to WAW for the inaugural flight this evening, I wonder if they ll be allowed to get off the ground??
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:38 pm
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Solves the issue someone posted yesterday about trying to change their ex-NRT flight to different equipment.

Glad to see they're taking some action though, and hopefully they can fix all the kinks in this bird...it's got great potential!
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:39 pm
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The 787 has been one snafu after another, at least nobody's been hurt (yet) from Boeing's nightmareliner
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:41 pm
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Just talked to an agent in SLC who said that they got a bulletin "two minutes ago" that the 787s have been inspected and are flying as scheduled. He didn't know anything about any groundings.
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by channa View Post
Perfect example of government regulators stepping in as appropriate.

While some companies managed to self-regulate and work to address the problem without government intervention (JL, NH), other companies chose to continue operating the plane until required by authorities to cease (UA).
Alternative theory - United would generally prefer its planes not to crash/make emergency landings.

FAA certified the airworthiness of the 787, and is now in CYA mode...

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/sl...tion-30547.php
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
LO flew their inaugural 787 to ORD today, the plane is currently at ORD, supposed to head out to WAW for the inaugural flight this evening, I wonder if they ll be allowed to get off the ground??
The FAA AD has no authority over the operation of a LOT aircraft; however, good sense suggests that they would ground the plane too ... plus most regulatory bodies worldwide follow in the footsteps of the FAA on issues like this.
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:44 pm
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UA should've just grounded the 787 earlier; now it just looks bad that the FAA had to step in. I know hindsight is 20/20, but from what was happening with other 787 operators, it would have been prudent thing to do.
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by channa View Post
Perfect example of government regulators stepping in as appropriate.

While some companies managed to self-regulate and work to address the problem without government intervention (JL, NH), other companies chose to continue operating the plane until required by authorities to cease (UA).
I agree. United missed an opportunity to ground the fleet by themselves.
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:48 pm
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Originally Posted by channa View Post
Perfect example of government regulators stepping in as appropriate.

While some companies managed to self-regulate and work to address the problem without government intervention (JL, NH), other companies chose to continue operating the plane until required by authorities to cease (UA).
Or... Boeing is actually relieved that they didn't have to pull the plug (on this plane, an interesting metaphor!) themselves. They can maintain ultimate confidence in the plane, had no issues with them continuing to fly, etc., while secretly relieved they didn't make the call themselves so they can say it wasn't necessary.

Just sayin'.
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:49 pm
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Originally Posted by entropy View Post
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The 787 has been one snafu after another, at least nobody's been hurt (yet) from Boeing's nightmareliner
Seriously?

Take a look at what happened with the A380's introduction and major technical problems (and grounding) therein.

Take a look at all the other times the FAA has issued groundings for technical faults in existing airplane model.

This is a significant issue. But no need to declare the plane a failure.
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:50 pm
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They know now...agent checking on the rebooking procedure (options, etc.).
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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by bse118 View Post
Seriously?

Take a look at what happened with the A380's introduction and major technical problems (and grounding) therein.

Take a look at all the other times the FAA has issued groundings for technical faults in existing airplane model.

This is a significant issue. But no need to declare the plane a failure.
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The FAA AD has no authority over the operation of a LOT aircraft; however, good sense suggests that they would ground the plane too ... plus most regulatory bodies worldwide follow in the footsteps of the FAA on issues like this.
I thought they have authority over US airspace?
(I could be incorrect.. )

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Old Jan 16, 13, 4:53 pm
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United can only determine compliance with FAA standards, and until the FAA's decision to issue an emergency AD an hour ago, United's 787s were. Keep in mind that NH and JL 787s have each been involved in a serious battery-related event within the last week or so. There's far more egg on their faces, and perhaps to get ahead of a passenger uproar, they decided to preemptively ground their fleet until further notice. United, on the other hand, continued to safely operate their FAA-certificated 787s until the AD required them to stand down.
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