UAs Official Response to HKG Ticketing/IT Error: Redeem @ Correct Amount or Redeposit
#2521
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Filed with DOT this morning. Anyone know when they might make the next announcement?
#2522
Join Date: Oct 2004
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#2523
Join Date: Aug 2004
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I did not partake in this... but to me this is simple:
UA screwed up
UA accepts responsibility
People enjoy their flights
UA cleans up their act and learns from their mistakes
I can promise you if my 98 year grandmother books 6 first class tickets in F from SAT-Birmingham, UK when intending to book 1 coach class ticket from SAT to Birmingham, AL, UA will say: "Sorry ma'am, enjoy the UK". She never intended to book 6 or F class or to BHX in the first place. Big, clear mistake on her part. Yet, UA will hold her to it.
Same, here, UA screwed up. End of story
UA screwed up
UA accepts responsibility
People enjoy their flights
UA cleans up their act and learns from their mistakes
I can promise you if my 98 year grandmother books 6 first class tickets in F from SAT-Birmingham, UK when intending to book 1 coach class ticket from SAT to Birmingham, AL, UA will say: "Sorry ma'am, enjoy the UK". She never intended to book 6 or F class or to BHX in the first place. Big, clear mistake on her part. Yet, UA will hold her to it.
Same, here, UA screwed up. End of story
#2524
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 721
Those who flew in later should have their accounts closed according to you because they just chose the later date.
Will this work legally is a million mile question.
#2525
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UA has raised fares several times this year. This is just one of many.
My advice on how to manage this thread:
I read the first page since my last visit and the last 2 pages. With all the copy/paste going on, it's easy to keep up.
I also search kokonutz for his 'take' and his wit on the situation.
dh
My advice on how to manage this thread:
I read the first page since my last visit and the last 2 pages. With all the copy/paste going on, it's easy to keep up.
I also search kokonutz for his 'take' and his wit on the situation.
dh
More PDA from me: I <heart> AA and Dan Hammer. :-*
PS, if UNITED 'retaliates' against its customers I will have a heart attack and die of NOT surprise. After all, UNITED has been retaliating against us for some time now! @:-)
#2526
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: SYDNEY
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I called UA to get my ticket reinstated the award booking agent told me I was never issued a ticket and I did not pay. The miles for this trip is 300k not 4 miles. I didn't have enough miles in my account at the time so they cancelled it.
I said I was quoted a 4 mile fare for a multi city intinerary not once was it shown different . I did have the required 4 miles in my account if the computer glitch didn't allow it to take the 4 miles is that my fault. My cc was charged which has now been refunded. She also told me that this intinerary was not ticketed I said I was issued a e-ticket which I own . I did not authorise anyone to cancel my ticket which is my property.
If DOT doesn't help out on this I will be going further .
I said I was quoted a 4 mile fare for a multi city intinerary not once was it shown different . I did have the required 4 miles in my account if the computer glitch didn't allow it to take the 4 miles is that my fault. My cc was charged which has now been refunded. She also told me that this intinerary was not ticketed I said I was issued a e-ticket which I own . I did not authorise anyone to cancel my ticket which is my property.
If DOT doesn't help out on this I will be going further .
#2527
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: PDX
Posts: 2,284
The analogies have jumped the shark
I can promise you if my 98 year grandmother books 6 first class tickets in F from SAT-Birmingham, UK when intending to book 1 coach class ticket from SAT to Birmingham, AL, UA will say: "Sorry ma'am, enjoy the UK". She never intended to book 6 or F class or to BHX in the first place. Big, clear mistake on her part. Yet, UA will hold her to it.
Let's not be ridiculous.
#2528
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Do you have an equivalent consumer regulatory body dealing with air transport in Australia? Shouldn't you be complaining to them?
I hope you're not on my AA flights to the Olympics on Monday. I don't want to be delayed.
I hope you're not on my AA flights to the Olympics on Monday. I don't want to be delayed.
#2529
Join Date: May 2006
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I suggest that United's BIGGEST exposure in all of this isn't in the current fiasco.
It's that there's a better than 50-50 chance that the combined risk factors of errors within SHARES will lead to something like it happening again.
They can't bear THAT risk or its uncertainty factor. So they need to reestablish that the customer should.
It's that there's a better than 50-50 chance that the combined risk factors of errors within SHARES will lead to something like it happening again.
They can't bear THAT risk or its uncertainty factor. So they need to reestablish that the customer should.
#2530
Join Date: Apr 2011
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#2531
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: DFW
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I don't have this kind of "4 miles" award ticket but I have a thought. The ticket and flight reservation are actually separate things, right?
In the case of the "4 miles" award tickets, technically, the ticket is valid until next July. This week United cancelled the flights associated to the ticket number but the ticket number should still have original fare type attached. If people can wait for a few months then call United with the ticket number, they might still get flights booked with the original award type they purchased.
If United voided the ticket along with flight reservations, then only DOT can help.
Does my logic make sense?
In the case of the "4 miles" award tickets, technically, the ticket is valid until next July. This week United cancelled the flights associated to the ticket number but the ticket number should still have original fare type attached. If people can wait for a few months then call United with the ticket number, they might still get flights booked with the original award type they purchased.
If United voided the ticket along with flight reservations, then only DOT can help.
Does my logic make sense?
UA should give everyone a choice: A) honor the ticket as is and have your account deleted forever or B) return the miles + money and move on with your life. It's a shame the the DOT is going to get bombarded by greedy people trying to scam free tickets. People have way to much time on their hands.
But really, your solution means the only people accepting/taking advantage of this offer are people who have little or no stake in UA. The only people who would be tempted to decline this offer would be people with status and/or lots of miles - the 'good' customers. That seems like the opposite of what UA would want to do.
#2532
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dubai / NYC
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I suggest that United's BIGGEST exposure in all of this isn't in the current fiasco.
It's that there's a better than 50-50 chance that the combined risk factors of errors within SHARES will lead to something like it happening again.
They can't bear THAT risk or its uncertainty factor. So they need to reestablish that the customer should.
It's that there's a better than 50-50 chance that the combined risk factors of errors within SHARES will lead to something like it happening again.
They can't bear THAT risk or its uncertainty factor. So they need to reestablish that the customer should.
FYI. Many foreign airlines can take over a month to bill American credit cards. I bought a ticket online w Egypy Air and the charge did not come thru for 40 days, A purchase I made w PIA took almost 2 months. UA is under no obligation to run a credit card within any specific time frame
I called UA to get my ticket reinstated the award booking agent told me I was never issued a ticket and I did not pay. The miles for this trip is 300k not 4 miles. I didn't have enough miles in my account at the time so they cancelled it.
I said I was quoted a 4 mile fare for a multi city intinerary not once was it shown different . I did have the required 4 miles in my account if the computer glitch didn't allow it to take the 4 miles is that my fault. My cc was charged which has now been refunded. She also told me that this intinerary was not ticketed I said I was issued a e-ticket which I own . I did not authorise anyone to cancel my ticket which is my property.
If DOT doesn't help out on this I will be going further .
I said I was quoted a 4 mile fare for a multi city intinerary not once was it shown different . I did have the required 4 miles in my account if the computer glitch didn't allow it to take the 4 miles is that my fault. My cc was charged which has now been refunded. She also told me that this intinerary was not ticketed I said I was issued a e-ticket which I own . I did not authorise anyone to cancel my ticket which is my property.
If DOT doesn't help out on this I will be going further .
If the DOT doesn't help out where are you going to go? The Supreme Court? And your damages are????
Last edited by iluv2fly; Jul 22, 2012 at 4:13 am Reason: merge
#2533
Join Date: Jul 2004
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From today's USA Today article (I just read it on line, don't know if it went on the actual paper), I have a feeling UA is going to be forced to honor each and every ticket. I didn't participate in this but I'm rooting for you!
Again, they should have dealt with this better...
UG
Again, they should have dealt with this better...
UG
#2534
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#2535
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 721
Well we are putting the cart before the horse. Let DOT decide first, if they decide in favor of United I assume many would just let it go at that point. Only a few would take it to courts.