Will it? I've read both ways reported in this thread.

I've read that splitting no longer happens unless you are upgraded at the gate even if you choose to stay upgrade eligible at check-in. But this has always been unclear to me since I rarely travel with companions.

I also read that benefits remain with the non-status/lower status companion even after splitting. This is also unclear to me. And if it survives to the return flight. (ie. If split on outbound, will non-status still be upgrade eligible?)
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I had a post #661 a while back that never got any answers

I just booked flights for my family of 7 EWR-FCO for next year in economy. I applied mileage upgrades for the return to premium economy and will wait for my new plus points to arrive to apply for upgrades to polaris on the outbound. I am quite sure I won't get 7 to clear let alone to have 7 clear all at once. Reading here it sounds like I need to split up the reservation now to have any chance since they won't upgrade us individually? Assuming this will mess up all of our status and IRROPS support? I am 1k MM and my wife is my gifted 1k and thats it for status.

You're not likely to clear that many way in advance, but even if you split 4 and 3 your chances aren't great. I think you'll be fine in IRROPS with two PNRs each with a 1K though . . . there will be a challenge accommodating 7 regardless.

I might let it ride and figure that maybe you can all clear together when it's closer to flight time.

Pluspoints question
 

Hello all,
OGG-LAX booked for 5 in economy, utilizing Pluspoints for all 5. 7 First class seats for sale 25 days out. Is it better for upgrading to split the res? If at least 2 don't get upgraded, I'll be in deep trouble with the Mrs. Thanks in advance. 1k although I don't think that matters.

Thanks,
Nathan

7 empty and 25 days out?
No need to worry about Mrs. nkh75: none of you will get the upgrade, is my prediction! :)

Near zero chance you will get any, but certainly better to split 3+2 or even 3+1+1 etc to increase the chance of clearing

If that were the likely scenario, understood, and I can just use miles for 1. Watching flights with that # of open first class seats frequently for my weekly flying, none clearing seems unlikely. My question I think still remains on whether splitting the res is beneficial.

Thanks,
Nathan

What's interesting is that there is at least 3 seats available in first every day from 9/27 to 10/20. Sounds like going 1/2/2 as 2 of the passengers are minors with the 1 being miles is the highest probability for clearing.

Splitting won't help unless they open up multiple seats in advance, which is extra unlikely. And unless you have multiple 1Ks on PNR, your priority will drop. If you get inside 24 hours you'd all be as high up list as you could be, with PNR split if anyone clears.

Post #3 answered that.

If you are looking at seat map, that 7 seats could be less, as not everyone already in F may have selected a seat. Regardless, with about a month to go, not looking too good. The odds are not with you regardless of the number you are seeking to upgrade.

Yes, splitting the reservation will increase chances of someone getting upgraded. As long as you’re together, you will be passed over for people lower on the waitlist if PZ<5 opens. For example, if one upgrade seat is released, the first reservation on waitlist looking for 1 upgrade gets it. Not you or anyone on your reservation, who are looking for 5.

That being said, there’s no way 5 of you will be upgraded considering UA’s reduced F capacity to OGG. "If at least 2 don't get upgraded, I'll be in deep trouble with the Mrs..." - you might start thinking now how to diffuse the situation :)

What day of the week are we talking about? mrs. iapetus, the iapetus jrs. and I all cleared OGG-LAX on a Saturday afternoon back in July. I'm a 1K, and so is mrs. iapetus on account of my 1MM status.

If I were you, if you really want first, buy up all 5 now. Upgrades are unlikely.

Significant difference now. Non-stops east of West Coast are not running now. All F pax are routing through on reduced-schedule to OGG via LAX or SFO. The alternate is via HNL and HA to OGG. OP is wanting 5 seats w/ J7 25 days out - his vision is a mirage..

I just bought all 5 with points. Thans again for the helpful responses FT.

Splitting a pnr
 

My wife and I (both 1k) are traveling phx-iah-fra-ist, returning ist-ams-sfo-phx.
we are wailisted using my plus points .
I was thinking to split the pnr, to give us a better chance for upgrades. We are ok if only one clears.
Can I do this now rather than wait for olci?
There are segments on LH and TK which are not wailisted of course, but will splitting have a negative effect?

Splitting with partner segments is always a little bit scary. You can do it, just make sure to check w/ all OAL after the fact to make sure their segments are still intact.

Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about...

Since you are both 1K.... I can't think of any downside to splitting in advance.

have an agent do the split and then check partner websites to ensure it was done right. This is usually not a problem and pretty standard, have done it many times w/o any issues.

I called and the split it for me. Got new pnrs for LH and TK.
Everything looks fine on their websites.

What kind of benefits do StarGold get on TK?

Priority check in, extra baggage, priority baggage, lounge access.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/turk...-benefits.html and

From TK: Star Alliance Gold card owners enjoy priority check-in, use of special passenger lounges, priority boarding, extra baggage allowance, and priority baggage claim at the airport as well as priority status on reservation standby and airport waiting lists. https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-i...els-questions/

Well, the upgrade chances might increase but when you have an IRROP later on, you will regret it. I just returned from S.A. (CPT), where UA canceled two flights in a row (CPT-IAD) which left 2 x 250 passengers to be rebooked. I was split because of an outbound upgrade split. For the return, the system rebooked us on two different flights (one of us CPT-EWR and the other CPT-JNB-EWR) for the “short” 16 hour flight back to the US. The “linkage” of the two new records were completely ignored by the system when rebooking us.

Nothing for the system to ignore, there is no such thing as linking PNRs. Once split they are separate.

According to the airline(s), PNRs can be linked for collective processing.

According to which airline? Sure, an agent can "link" two PNRs by putting in some notes regarding passengers traveling t:eek:gether. But those notes are not processed in any automated way on any airline I've ever traveled on.

Split PNR and Upgrade Confusion
 

Hi - flying LAX-SJD in December in economy on the way down with my wife. I am 1K and my wife is Gold. I have applied Plus Points for the upgrade on our (now) single PNR. I called in to ask about splitting the PNR and the agent said that we were #1 and #2 on the Upgrade list but we would be #1 and #7 if we split the PNR so didn't split. There are only 5 seats left on a 12 seat cabin so I'm thinking PZ=2 won't happen and called back. The agent I talked to at that point said that there were plenty of seats available and I should wait to split the PNR. She also said that if we waited until T-24 (or check in or thereabouts) the *single* PNR would be on the upgrade list (not sure what this is called when it goes from the pre-check in list to the secondary/airport control upgrade list) and we would be #1 and #2 on the

Everything I'm reading here is saying that if we keep the single PNR (and likely do not get upgraded and even get skipped if PZ=1 shows up rather than PZ=2), it will get automatically split and we will have our own PNR with our own priorities (ie, I'm #1 and she is #6 due to Gold). If this is the case what point is there to keeping the PNR intact with a near 0% chance of upgrade? I understand chancing it and waiting to T-24 if the priority remains the same but this seems wrong.

I'm sure I'm either operating off incorrect or incomplete information so any guidance and advice is appreciated.

The PNR will automatically split before checkin if the upgrade request is still applied. Your wife will have the same priority as you, since it inherits from the original reservation (I am not sure if this still applies for a manual PNR split by an agent, but I actually think it does).

SJC? San Jose, California? Are you really that concerned about the upgrade on a 308-mile flight? Since you said "down," I'm thinking maybe you mean SJD (Los Cabos)?

The chances of either upgrade clearing in advance are virtually nil, and in fact you have little chance to clear at all, even at the gate. 5 seats available for a flight in December is a terrible sign.

Split PNR before or after check-in?
 

Traveling with my non-elite Wife, SFO-HKG. Our upgrades cleared, but I want to switch one of us from miles to plus points (I only have 40 plus points so had to apply for upgrade with miles+$$$ for both of us.

So, do I call to see if they can split the PNR and change my upgrade from miles to Plus Points before check-in, or after? Thanks!

How many people are on the WL? If the chance is not great, split the reservation, remove MUA, buyup to Premium Plus and request PP upgrade for your wife.
If the chance is great, UA may clear the upgrade list at T-36 h. Your question will become mute.
Good luck.

Sorry, need to edit original post. We were already upgraded. Just want to switch from miles to PP on one passenger. Thanks!

If there is PZ space, you can do it right away. If you do not mind putting on WL yourself (you have status) and PZ0, you can call to remove MUA and hopefully get the same seat back when upgrade is re-cleared. I guess that someone has experience with switch after the trip is completed, but I do not.

All zeroes for anything but economy showing now. So don't think it's safe for me to give up the seat and try to reclaim it ahead of someone else on the waitlist. Darn!

Added: Should I ask in the Polaris lounge if it can be changed? Thanks!

I would just call now and explain to the Premier agent what you want to do. They may need to speak to a supervisor but I've had them sort out stranger things.

In the end we just went with the flow. Would have been a disaster had things not turned out; my wife needed the two weeks to be as stress-free as possible. She had a great time but man, did she get hit hard from a number of directions once back. What seemed like a good idea a few months ago, removing a lung tumor instead of radiating it... she hasn't had a really good day since! But the trip worked out very well.

Apologize for TMI. --Mike--

From: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...l#post35892268

Question, if I want to strategize / optimize usage of plus points for 2 pax does it make sense to book separate PNRs so that each one can get upgraded once 1 upgrade space becomes available?
My understanding is if on one PNR and pluspoints applied to both, both can only be upgraded if 2 spaces become available at the same time? As these inventories can be released over time would seperate PNR have a "positive" impact here? Idea behind this is that if only one clears one can still choose to pay for the upgrade of the second?

Appreciate your feedback.

Upon check in for the outbound of a domestic flight, my traveling companion and I (same PNR) are number 3 and 4 on the WL. Flight is showing 19 of 20 booked, so not concerned about the upgrade as I’m sure it won’t happen. However, the return flight is still relatively open. Check in is giving me the “select travelers to add to the upgrade list” option with only my name available. Do I just make sure that’s not selected and “opt out” in order to not have the reservation split? What’s my best plan here?

I thought all of this splitting the reservation stuff had gotten fixed a while ago…apparently I haven’t traveled on the same PNR as a non-status member for a while. 😑

I don’t think it splits unless one of you actually gets upgraded.

Large number of passengers on PNR
 

I just wanted to confirm my interpretation, if I had 8 people on a PNR where one is a GS and the other 7 are PS, all 8 would be prioritized as Global Services?