United Flight Attendants Blackmail Flight 49 BOM->EWR!
May 21, 2012, 12:55 pm
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)For a pilot trip the pay would look like this:
Schedule Block Time = 30 hours
Actual Block Time = ? until after trip flown
Trip Rig (TAFB) = If 60 hrs then trip rig is 15+00
If 70 hrs then trip rig is 17+30
Duty Rig (1.5 hrs prior to each leg through .5 hours after blockin) = 17+30
If flight was delayed 24 hours (94 hr TAFB) then the trip rig would be 23+30. That means the pilots would get ZERO extra pay since schedule block is still the greatest. If the trip were delayed 48 hours (118 TAFB) then the trip rig would be 29+30. That means there is STILL no extra pay -- even with a 48 hour delay.
May 21, 2012, 1:36 pm
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(ETA: Oops, I see axl beat me.)
May 21, 2012, 2:48 pm
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I will be the first to admit that I did not follow your example.
What does the 17 represent? What does 22 represent? Does this mean you are paid for at least 39 hours?
Similarly, what does the 47 represent. What does the 12 represent. Does this mean that you are paid for at least 59 / 4 = 14.75 hours?
What is trip rig? What does 11 represented, what does 48 represented, and does this mean you are paid for least 59 / 4 = 14.75 hours?
What do 21, 22, 10, and 41 represent?
So are you paid for at least 43/2 = 21.5 hours? Or 51/2 = 25.5 hours?
I wish that were an easy question to answer, but it's not. I'll give you an idea of how we're paid for a particular trip.
Our pay for a specific trip is the greatest of the following:
-total block time scheduled
-total block time flown
-1 hr pay per 4 hours Time Away From Base (eg gone 48 hrs = 12 hrs pay)
-1 hr pay per 2 hours duty time
Our pay for a specific trip is the greatest of the following:
-total block time scheduled
-total block time flown
-1 hr pay per 4 hours Time Away From Base (eg gone 48 hrs = 12 hrs pay)
-1 hr pay per 2 hours duty time
Similarly, what does the 47 represent. What does the 12 represent. Does this mean that you are paid for at least 59 / 4 = 14.75 hours?
What is trip rig? What does 11 represented, what does 48 represented, and does this mean you are paid for least 59 / 4 = 14.75 hours?
What do 21, 22, 10, and 41 represent?
So are you paid for at least 43/2 = 21.5 hours? Or 51/2 = 25.5 hours?
May 21, 2012, 3:41 pm
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May 21, 2012, 6:24 pm
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The vast majority of the pax on that flight who were flying for business reasons do not get paid over time. Over time is expected from time to time.
If UA is not paying its employees their contracted compensation, then the union should deal with it versus stranding some pax in a foreign country not to mention complicating the lives of those on single entry visas or limited re-entry visas. I suspect you will find that the proper method for dealing with grievances is part of the union contract. If the CO FA union is this weak, then perhaps the FAs should form a new union or elect better leaders.
If UA is not paying its employees their contracted compensation, then the union should deal with it versus stranding some pax in a foreign country not to mention complicating the lives of those on single entry visas or limited re-entry visas. I suspect you will find that the proper method for dealing with grievances is part of the union contract. If the CO FA union is this weak, then perhaps the FAs should form a new union or elect better leaders.
However, your second statement seems illogical. Consider the case where the FA Union decides to strike. Would that be any different then stranding a passenger in the way it was done here..... I think not.
The reality of the situation is that life happens. You learn to deal with it.