Republic Airlines to Operate 32 Q400's for UA
Oct 9, 2012, 1:21 pm
#76
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Better get used to it, or as you noted, continue to fly someone else.
The common rabble hasn't seen the TA, but many details have been leaked.
If the leaks are accurate, Delta-like scope is almost a certainty.
If our MECs (Master Executive Councils) vote to send the TA to the membership it is expected that it will pass.
The lustre of the payrates alone will be enough to sway many voters.
The reality of it ... there's really not much we can do.
Most people really don't know the difference, but the RLA is much more constraining on what pilot unions can do vs "typical" industrial unions.
Our hands are pretty much tied, and mgt knows it. This is why contract negotiations are usually dragged out well past amendable dates.
(This was a catalyst of the pilot ire in 2000. The amenable date was Dec. '99. Negotiations opened a yr and a half prior to that with the mgt promise of "On Top, On Time". They reneged on that promise and dropped the USAir merger bomb on us the 1st qtr of 2000)
OJ's and Q400's are most suredly in your future.
Glad I'm in the twilight yrs of my career, 'cause, it sure has changed.
Won't miss it when I'm gone.
The common rabble hasn't seen the TA, but many details have been leaked.
If the leaks are accurate, Delta-like scope is almost a certainty.
If our MECs (Master Executive Councils) vote to send the TA to the membership it is expected that it will pass.
The lustre of the payrates alone will be enough to sway many voters.
The reality of it ... there's really not much we can do.
Most people really don't know the difference, but the RLA is much more constraining on what pilot unions can do vs "typical" industrial unions.
Our hands are pretty much tied, and mgt knows it. This is why contract negotiations are usually dragged out well past amendable dates.
(This was a catalyst of the pilot ire in 2000. The amenable date was Dec. '99. Negotiations opened a yr and a half prior to that with the mgt promise of "On Top, On Time". They reneged on that promise and dropped the USAir merger bomb on us the 1st qtr of 2000)
OJ's and Q400's are most suredly in your future.
Glad I'm in the twilight yrs of my career, 'cause, it sure has changed.
Won't miss it when I'm gone.
Last edited by ualp; Oct 9, 2012 at 1:37 pm Reason: spelling. Doh!
Oct 9, 2012, 1:29 pm
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Sorry to hear it UALP. I support you guys with everything. I love flying UA as the pilots, thru everything were always respectful to the UAL flyers especially 1K's. I lost my 1K status a few years back due to the express takeover.
Oct 16, 2012, 2:44 pm
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Oct 16, 2012, 2:45 pm
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Oct 16, 2012, 3:36 pm
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Oct 16, 2012, 3:50 pm
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I know - if you check Seatguru, it shows 32" for F on the Q400 - only 1" more than the Y seat. Solo seats are always nice, but the pairs in rows 2/3 arent' much different than Y, IF the measurement is correct.
Oct 16, 2012, 4:18 pm
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Oct 16, 2012, 4:50 pm
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The F cabin will be arranged like this:
1A
2A CD
3A CD
Total of 7 F seats, so row 1 on the seat map on UA.com is wrong, and I now believe that is the reason why they blocked off row 1 until someone has the time to design an appropriate seat map.
Oct 16, 2012, 5:12 pm
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Oct 16, 2012, 5:34 pm
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CAL crews fly CAL planes with CAL rules.
UAL crews fly UAL planes with UAL rules.
Ne'er the tween shall meet!
Can't work together til we have an ISL (Integrated Seniority List).
Can't have an ISL until we have a JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement).
Mgt doesn't have to give us a pay raise until the JCBA is complete.
Hmmm. Wonder why that's been stalled for 2yrs?
Synergies?
We don't need no stinkin' synergies!
DAL/NW vs UAL/CAL
Wonder which one would be written about more favorably in B school textbooks?
Oct 16, 2012, 10:53 pm
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Despite 2 1/2 yrs of being "merged" we are hardly merged.
CAL crews fly CAL planes with CAL rules.
UAL crews fly UAL planes with UAL rules.
Ne'er the tween shall meet!
Can't work together til we have an ISL (Integrated Seniority List).
Can't have an ISL until we have a JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement).
Mgt doesn't have to give us a pay raise until the JCBA is complete.
Hmmm. Wonder why that's been stalled for 2yrs?
Synergies?
We don't need no stinkin' synergies!
DAL/NW vs UAL/CAL
Wonder which one would be written about more favorably in B school textbooks?
CAL crews fly CAL planes with CAL rules.
UAL crews fly UAL planes with UAL rules.
Ne'er the tween shall meet!
Can't work together til we have an ISL (Integrated Seniority List).
Can't have an ISL until we have a JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement).
Mgt doesn't have to give us a pay raise until the JCBA is complete.
Hmmm. Wonder why that's been stalled for 2yrs?
Synergies?
We don't need no stinkin' synergies!
DAL/NW vs UAL/CAL
Wonder which one would be written about more favorably in B school textbooks?
