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UA versus AA...Observations and things to consider before leaving/joining

UA versus AA...Observations and things to consider before leaving/joining

Old Jul 19, 12, 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by demkr View Post
The one sthat require a connection that I fly sometimes are: BDL, FLL/MIA, PVD.

Most of the locations that I go to for leisure (specifically ORD, NYC and to some extent LAX) are as easy on AA as UA -- but UA definitely has the frequencies--with MIA of course being easier on AA.

The convenience for UA for me (And why I've decided to stay, begrudgingly)--HNL, MSP, STL, BOS.

Convenience will mean less and less though if quality of service continues to go down.
We'll see... I am giving UA some more rope...

I forgot San Diego and Cancun...

Two flights a day to Aspen look nice...

I thought UA was starting a direct flight to Jackson Hole as well?
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Old Jul 19, 12, 6:31 pm
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Yeah, for me it's the star alliance network. I fly into Europe at least four times a year from BOS. The one connection in ORD/EWR/IAD is great for me (BRU is where I head for the most part).
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Old Jul 19, 12, 6:42 pm
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post


You didn't actually drink a Bailey's and Diet Coke, did you?
Bailey's was for after meal.
I won't mix them, ok?
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Old Jul 19, 12, 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear View Post
Yeah, for me it's the star alliance network. I fly into Europe at least four times a year from BOS. The one connection in ORD/EWR/IAD is great for me (BRU is where I head for the most part).
You fly to Europe from BOS via ORD?
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Old Jul 19, 12, 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by OskiBear View Post
You fly to Europe from BOS via ORD?
Only if I have to (or I'm maximizing mileage). I prefer IAD or through AC in YYZ.
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Old Jul 19, 12, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by mitchmu View Post
If that's the only reason you are with UA, then the next time they take you out of your confirmed E+ aisle or window seat and throw you into E- middle (see Random Seat Changes thread), you might decide to accelerate the switch.
It has never happened yet, but yeah, maybe.
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Old Jul 20, 12, 3:41 pm
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I decided not to pursue the EXP status match due to 100,000 miles flown + booked on UA for 2012. There was no way I could also hit the requirements to continue EXP status. But this only reinforces the idea that I will look to status match for 2013 travel.
Problem is: AA matches are not the norm. They usually force you to do a challenge. The time to match is now. If you don't requalify, you soft land to Plat for 2013 then gold in 2012. OTOH, AA is giving plenty of incentive for UA members to earn EXP til Feb 2014 if they fly 55k by the end of 2013.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ltd-1k-gs.html

It's like people think this AA match will be around forever. They do not have a history of doing this. Treat is as a 1 time shot.

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Old Jul 20, 12, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by fieldeng View Post
Problem is: AA matches are not the norm. They usually force you to do a challenge. The time to match is now. If you don't requalify, you soft land to Plat for 2013 then gold in 2012. OTOH, AA is giving plenty of incentive for UA members to earn EXP til Feb 2014 if they fly 45k by the end of 2013.

It's like people think this AA match will be around forever. They do not have a history of doing this. Treat is as a 1 time shot.
I didn't even think about the soft landing--that's a good deal in any case. And I do agree it's a once-in-a-lifetime shot; even my company can't get EXP status matches normally.
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Old Jul 21, 12, 10:00 am
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Compliments of Garl Leff, View from the Wing

The Best and Worst Features of American Airlines

Definitely more good points about AA than negatives (from Gleff's persective anyway...)

(oops, sorry Gary, mispelled your name in the heading... Mods? Help?)
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Old Jul 21, 12, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
The Best and Worst Features of American Airlines

Definitely more good points about AA than negatives (from Gleff's persective anyway...)

(oops, sorry Gary, mispelled your name in the heading... Mods? Help?)
Garl (hehe ) makes some very good points.

My biggest "issues" with AA are the fuel surcharges on BA award tix. Pricing a o/w award in C was asking for $650, which led me to redeeming on LH F through FRA for $2.50...

In early June, I missed my ORD-DEN on AA, and the lack of SDC was disappointing. The next flight wasn't until 10am (three hour wait), but I was only able to stand by, until I ponied up the $75.. Decided to check .bomb and found a saver Y award ticket leaving at 8:00am- would have preferred to fly AA, but as some have mentioned, the frequencies on UA are much better for certain cities.

I'm looking forward to flying CX F next year, on the way to RGN. Definitely a bright spot in oneworld ^
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Old Jul 21, 12, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by 1KPath View Post

AA received nearly 15,000 applications from UA elites for comp status after 3/3...and of this number, they estimate over 60% are really flying AA instead of UA...this includes approximately 5,000 1Ks and GSs. In addition, AA has received a number of corporate contracts that used to be UA exclusive...he even hinted that that a certain "mouse" company is considering a change! I asked if most of those switching were "discount" fliers...his response was the contrary. A significant percentage of those who comped status from UA are purchasing full/high fare coach and full fare/discount First and this was a pleasant surprise to AA! He indicated that more offers may be on the way!
Let's put some numbers to these figures.

It's somewhat generally accepted that GS' need $50K/year of full-fare tickets to maintain status. Some spend more, obviously. But let's say that each 1K/GS in the mix is worth $50K/year for number's sake, since we also have to account for the revenue from the 10K non-1K/GS flyers who've moved.

5,000 x 60% x $50,000 = $150,000,000.

I wasn't too clear on if the 5,000 number was already whittled down in the 60% figure or not. If not:

5,000 x $50,000 = $250,000,000

Even if the total annual revenue from those who took the status match is half that, I'd still say handing out the free SWUs, cost of processing the matches plus follow-ups, lounge passes, GoGo certs, etc. was well worth it for AA. That's a lot of dough they would have otherwise left on the table. The minimum this status match effort has to be worth to AA is probably $100M/yr.
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Old Jul 21, 12, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by fieldeng View Post
OTOH, AA is giving plenty of incentive for UA members to earn EXP til Feb 2014 if they fly 45k by the end of 2013.
Can you clarify this statement? Where are these numbers coming from?
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Old Jul 21, 12, 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by 1015-1k View Post
Can you clarify this statement? Where are these numbers coming from?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ltd-1k-gs.html

If you have not matched already, go for it.
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Old Jul 21, 12, 1:17 pm
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Just completed my first AA flight (DCA-DFW) as an EXPL matched from 1K. After all the hype the experience was a little bit of a letdown. Upgraded only on the outbound and then only at 24 hrs. Return was in coach, limited recline exit row aisle. No "special welcome" on either segment. Was comp'd a sandwich on the return after showing my boarding pass, to which the FA responded, "Is that yours?" All in all, little different from my UA flights lately.

However, the inflight wi-fi, using my GoGo passes, made a huge difference in my flight experience, allowing me to work and surf the web along the way. I'm not sure my singular experience had enough "wow factor" to cause me to switch exclusively to AA although the wi-fi may be the deciding factor when everything else is equal.
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Old Jul 21, 12, 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by JetAway View Post
Just completed my first AA flight (DCA-DFW) as an EXPL matched from 1K. After all the hype the experience was a little bit of a letdown. Upgraded only on the outbound and then only at 24 hrs. Return was in coach, limited recline exit row aisle. No "special welcome" on either segment. Was comp'd a sandwich on the return after showing my boarding pass, to which the FA responded, "Is that yours?" All in all, little different from my UA flights lately.

However, the inflight wi-fi, using my GoGo passes, made a huge difference in my flight experience, allowing me to work and surf the web along the way. I'm not sure my singular experience had enough "wow factor" to cause me to switch exclusively to AA although the wi-fi may be the deciding factor when everything else is equal.
I wouldn't make a hasty judgment after one flight. I'm Plat on AA, my UG percentage is 75% over 24 flights in 2012, and I've had 1K-level service from AA CSRs even though I'm not ExPlat. Plus the domestic ACs are a clear cut above the domestic UCs.
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