How will Pinnacle's (Parent of UAX Operator Colgan Air) bankruptcy impact UA?
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How will Pinnacle's (Parent of UAX Operator Colgan Air) bankruptcy impact UA?
In a press release today, Pinnacle, parent of Colgan, indicated:
Can anyone identify the routes Colgan operates as United Express? That's one of the contracted United Express carriers I can't recall flying on.
The remaining Saab 340 fleet that Colgan operates for United Express will be wound down over the next several months, with these operations projected to end by Aug. 1, 2012. Similarly, Colgan's Q400 aircraft operations will be wound down by Nov. 30, 2012.
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Doubt anyone will miss the Saab 340s or Q400s -- although it could impact the level of service at some out stations.
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Let me be the first to say hallelujah. Colgan was straight up not a safe operation, and the q400 creep into RJ markets by CO was unacceptable. Maybe now we can go back to the CR7s and ERJs we should have had all along
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I'm pretty sure I flew Colgan BUF-EWR or BUF-IAD (possibly both) in the past couple years.
Certainly the most recent crash in memory was the EWR-BUF Colgan 3407.
I don't really care for the turboprops so if they'd go ahead and use regional jets for those flights from now on that would suit me fine.
Certainly the most recent crash in memory was the EWR-BUF Colgan 3407.
I don't really care for the turboprops so if they'd go ahead and use regional jets for those flights from now on that would suit me fine.
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Well this is going to create lots of problems in Texas and smaller cities close to IAH. I say the majority of the smaller city flights out of IAH are Q400 and Sabb 340. I want to know what UA plans to do especially in the Sabb markets???
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United Express Q400 and SAAB340 routes operated by Colgan/Pinnacle.
Indicates Cities Where Colgan Operates ONLY UA Flights, But Other Carriers Are Present
Indicates Cities Where Colgan is Sole Operator
* Indicates Essential Air Service (EAS) Flights
Note: For the purposes of "Circle Route" Flights (AAA-BBB-CCC-AAA or AAA-CCC-BBB-AAA), the BBB-CCC/CCC-BBB flight is not counted as a flight to a different destination.
From IAD:
Allentown (ABE) - Other Service to ORD/Bus to EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Altoona* (AOO) - No Other Flights - Only Carrier
Albany (ALB) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous other Carriers
Beckley, WV* (BKW) No Other Flights - Only Carrier
Binghamton, NY (BHM) No Other Service - DL to DTW, US to PHL
Buffalo (BUF) Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Burlington, VT (BTV) Other Service to ORD/CLE/EWR - DL, B6 and US
Charlottesville (CHO) No Other Service - AA to ORD, DL to ATL, US to CLT/PHL
Clarksburg* (CKB) No Other Service - Only Carrier
Cleveland (CLE) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers
Johnstown* (JST) No Other Service - Only Carrier
Morgantown* (MGW) No Other Service - Only Carrier
Newark (EWR) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers
Norfolk (ORF) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/IAD/IAH - Numerous Other Carriers
Pittsburgh (PIT) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Providence (PVD) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
State College (SCE) - No Other Service - DL to DTW, US to PHL
Syracuse (SYR) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
White Plains (HPN) - Other Service to ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Charleston, WV (CRW) - Other Service to IAD/IAH/ORD - AA to LGA, DL to ATL/DTW, US to CLT, DCA
From IAH:
Alexandria (AEX) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
Austin (AUS) - Other Service to IAH/DEN/ORD/EWR/IAD/CUN/SFO/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers
Baton Rouge (BTR) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to MEM/ATL, US to CLT
Beaumont (BPT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers
College Station (CLL) - No Other Service - AA to DFW
Dallas (DAL) - Other Service to IAH/DEN - DL to MEM, WN "Hub"
Dallas (DFW) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/LAX/EWR/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Del Rio (DRT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers
Jackson (JAN) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL/MEM, WN to BWI, MDW, HOU, MCO, US to CLT, DCA
Killeen/Ft Hood (GRK) - No Other Service - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
Lafayette (LFT) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
Lake Charles (LCH) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW
Little Rock (LIT) - Other Service to IAH/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
McAllen (MFE) - Other Service to IAH, AA to DFW, G4 to LAS/SFB
Midland (MAF) - Other Service to IAH/DEN - AA to DFW, WN to DAL, HOU, LAS
Monroe (MLU) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
New Orleans (MSY) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/EWR/SFO/IAD/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Oklahoma City (OKC) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/ORD/EWR/LAX/SFO/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
San Antionio (SAT) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/EWR/IAD/CUN/ORD/SFO/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers
Shreveport (SHV) - Other Service to IAH - DL to MEM/ATL, AA to DFW, G4 to LAS/SFB
Tulsa (TUL) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/ORD/EWR/IAD/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers
Tyler (TYR) - No Other Service - AA to DFW
Victoria* (VCT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers
Waco (ACT) - No Other Service - AA to DFW
From EWR
Albany (ALB) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Boston (BOS) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/DEN/IAH/IAD/LAX/SFO/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Baltimore (BWI) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Buffalo (BUF) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Burlington, VT (BTV) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/EWR - DL, B6 and US
Columbus, OH (CMH) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/EWR/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Halifax (YHZ) - Other Service to EWR/ORD/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Moncton (YQM) - Other Service to EWR - Some Other Carriers - UA is sole USA bound Flight
Montreal (YUL) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/IAH/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Norfolk (ORF) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/IAD/CLE/IAH - Numerous Other Carriers
Pittsburgh (PIT) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Portland, ME (PWM) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Raleigh (RDU) - Other Service to ORD/IAH/EWR/IAD/CUN/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Rochester (ROC) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Toronto (YYZ) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/SFO/CLE/EWR/IAH/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Washington (IAD) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers
Washington (DCA) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/CLE/EWR) - Numerous Other Carriers
Myrtle Beach - Other Seasonal Service to ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Indicates Cities Where Colgan Operates ONLY UA Flights, But Other Carriers Are Present
Indicates Cities Where Colgan is Sole Operator
* Indicates Essential Air Service (EAS) Flights
Note: For the purposes of "Circle Route" Flights (AAA-BBB-CCC-AAA or AAA-CCC-BBB-AAA), the BBB-CCC/CCC-BBB flight is not counted as a flight to a different destination.
From IAD:
Allentown (ABE) - Other Service to ORD/Bus to EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Altoona* (AOO) - No Other Flights - Only Carrier
Albany (ALB) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous other Carriers
Beckley, WV* (BKW) No Other Flights - Only Carrier
Binghamton, NY (BHM) No Other Service - DL to DTW, US to PHL
Buffalo (BUF) Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Burlington, VT (BTV) Other Service to ORD/CLE/EWR - DL, B6 and US
Charlottesville (CHO) No Other Service - AA to ORD, DL to ATL, US to CLT/PHL
Clarksburg* (CKB) No Other Service - Only Carrier
Cleveland (CLE) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers
Johnstown* (JST) No Other Service - Only Carrier
Morgantown* (MGW) No Other Service - Only Carrier
Newark (EWR) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers
Norfolk (ORF) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/IAD/IAH - Numerous Other Carriers
Pittsburgh (PIT) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Providence (PVD) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
State College (SCE) - No Other Service - DL to DTW, US to PHL
Syracuse (SYR) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
White Plains (HPN) - Other Service to ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Charleston, WV (CRW) - Other Service to IAD/IAH/ORD - AA to LGA, DL to ATL/DTW, US to CLT, DCA
From IAH:
Alexandria (AEX) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
Austin (AUS) - Other Service to IAH/DEN/ORD/EWR/IAD/CUN/SFO/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers
Baton Rouge (BTR) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to MEM/ATL, US to CLT
Beaumont (BPT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers
College Station (CLL) - No Other Service - AA to DFW
Dallas (DAL) - Other Service to IAH/DEN - DL to MEM, WN "Hub"
Dallas (DFW) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/LAX/EWR/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Del Rio (DRT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers
Jackson (JAN) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL/MEM, WN to BWI, MDW, HOU, MCO, US to CLT, DCA
Killeen/Ft Hood (GRK) - No Other Service - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
Lafayette (LFT) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
Lake Charles (LCH) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW
Little Rock (LIT) - Other Service to IAH/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
McAllen (MFE) - Other Service to IAH, AA to DFW, G4 to LAS/SFB
Midland (MAF) - Other Service to IAH/DEN - AA to DFW, WN to DAL, HOU, LAS
Monroe (MLU) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL
New Orleans (MSY) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/EWR/SFO/IAD/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Oklahoma City (OKC) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/ORD/EWR/LAX/SFO/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
San Antionio (SAT) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/EWR/IAD/CUN/ORD/SFO/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers
Shreveport (SHV) - Other Service to IAH - DL to MEM/ATL, AA to DFW, G4 to LAS/SFB
Tulsa (TUL) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/ORD/EWR/IAD/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers
Tyler (TYR) - No Other Service - AA to DFW
Victoria* (VCT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers
Waco (ACT) - No Other Service - AA to DFW
From EWR
Albany (ALB) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Boston (BOS) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/DEN/IAH/IAD/LAX/SFO/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Baltimore (BWI) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Buffalo (BUF) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Burlington, VT (BTV) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/EWR - DL, B6 and US
Columbus, OH (CMH) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/EWR/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Halifax (YHZ) - Other Service to EWR/ORD/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Moncton (YQM) - Other Service to EWR - Some Other Carriers - UA is sole USA bound Flight
Montreal (YUL) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/IAH/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
Norfolk (ORF) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/IAD/CLE/IAH - Numerous Other Carriers
Pittsburgh (PIT) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Portland, ME (PWM) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Raleigh (RDU) - Other Service to ORD/IAH/EWR/IAD/CUN/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers
Rochester (ROC) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers
Toronto (YYZ) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/SFO/CLE/EWR/IAH/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers
Washington (IAD) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers
Washington (DCA) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/CLE/EWR) - Numerous Other Carriers
Myrtle Beach - Other Seasonal Service to ORD - Numerous Other Carriers
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We are talking about a total of 58 aircraft, serving dozens of cities in the Northeast, as well as Texas and the Gulf Coast of the United States. In many instances, Colgan dba United Express is either the sole carrier, or one two carriers serving an airport.
As as mentioned previously, this.could have a massive impact on operations in the affected cities. For many of these routes, the use of either of these two aircraft could have been the difference in profitability versus a reduction or elimination of service altogether, which is unfortunate.
I do not see what the negativity towards prop planes is. Fact is the Q400 holds more passengers, has better overhead bin space (and overhead clearance), are being retrofitted with first class, and, for thr most part, are newer than many regional jets, oh, and are cheaper to operate.
I would hope that a carrier such as CommutAir or CapeAir who already have a relationship with United, or even Piedmont, which could be a stretch, as they are wholelly owned by US Airways, is able to obtain some financing to purchase the assets being divested here, and pick up the existing workload. I am sure that the other existing United Express Carriers will be unable to fill the void that this will create.
Yes, duly updated. I was posting from my phone, and was typing each city in.
As as mentioned previously, this.could have a massive impact on operations in the affected cities. For many of these routes, the use of either of these two aircraft could have been the difference in profitability versus a reduction or elimination of service altogether, which is unfortunate.
I do not see what the negativity towards prop planes is. Fact is the Q400 holds more passengers, has better overhead bin space (and overhead clearance), are being retrofitted with first class, and, for thr most part, are newer than many regional jets, oh, and are cheaper to operate.
I would hope that a carrier such as CommutAir or CapeAir who already have a relationship with United, or even Piedmont, which could be a stretch, as they are wholelly owned by US Airways, is able to obtain some financing to purchase the assets being divested here, and pick up the existing workload. I am sure that the other existing United Express Carriers will be unable to fill the void that this will create.
Yes, duly updated. I was posting from my phone, and was typing each city in.
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Some ERJ135s are showing up on the current IAH Saab routes in the summer schedule.
UA will probably find another operator for the Q400 between now and late-November.
Originally Posted by CO777DAL
Well this is going to create lots of problems in Texas and smaller cities close to IAH. I say the majority of the smaller city flights out of IAH are Q400 and Sabb 340. I want to know what UA plans to do especially in the Sabb markets???
UA will probably find another operator for the Q400 between now and late-November.
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As as mentioned previously, this.could have a massive impact on operations in the affected cities. For many of these routes, the use of either of these two aircraft could have been the difference in profitability versus a reduction or elimination of service altogether, which is unfortunate.
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I do not see the problem witj a Q400, they aren't half as loud as the rest of the Q fleet, and hey, if the airline can transport 75 passengers for less than what it would cost to transport 50, then I do not see the harm in utilizing these aircraft.