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EsquireFlyer Mar 23, 2012 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by mnmme (Post 18258393)
What small % of people use $ and miles?
90% of people who fly don't have either.

How do people fly if they have no money and no miles?


Originally Posted by mnmme (Post 18258393)
I've been amazed at the number to people on FT who think, every software feature should work pefectly after a merger, from day 1.

We are now on day 554 of the merger. The "not everything can be perfect on day 1" rhetoric is getting a little old.

goodeats21 Mar 23, 2012 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by ACK1 (Post 18257468)
<snip>
Sorry about my rant. To conclude the old 777s are terrible. Even first class in the old 777 is less comfortable than business in the new ones. Just because you check a seat map doesn't mean you won't get screwed later.

I am sorry you were disappointed in getting an old config 777, but I disagree with this. Give me an older F seat over the new C any day, any route.


Originally Posted by Boghopper (Post 18257578)
If I was ever flying full C and saw that the plane was old config I would walk off, cash in my ticket, and take another carrier. When I'm using an swu, though, it's hard to complain, as no other carrier I know of gives you 6+ upgrades that can be used for multiple segments. AA is close, but not quite there.

I thought AA gave 8 upgrade certs which could be used on any fare, which is better than what UA offers. Would you explain what is lacking from the AA offering. I am not an AA expert, but have been looking at them lately (along with a lot of 1Ks, I suspect). If there is a downside here, I would like to learn about it.

And as an overall comment to the thread, I can hardly equate getting a C class seat by using an upgrade as a waste. Sure, the new C is better than the old C for most, but I enjoyed many TPAC / TALT in the old C and greatly prefer it over E+

EsquireFlyer Mar 23, 2012 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 18258511)
I thought AA gave 8 upgrade certs which could be used on any fare, which is better than what UA offers. Would you explain what is lacking from the AA offering. I am not an AA expert, but have been looking at them lately (along with a lot of 1Ks, I suspect). If there is a downside here, I would like to learn about it.

AA doesn't give CR-1s, so the 8 SWUs correspond to UA's 6 SWUs + 4 CR-1s (or, more if you fly over 100K).

goodeats21 Mar 23, 2012 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by CollegeFlyer (Post 18258616)
AA doesn't give CR-1s, so the 8 SWUs correspond to UA's 6 SWUs + 4 CR-1s (or, more if you fly over 100K).

Ah, OK. Thanks for the explanation.

I am much more focused on the int'l upgrade potential, I didn't think about the CR1s.

Seems on AA, there is an domestic upgrade system that is able to be understood and results in elites getting domestic upgrades, so I am not as concerned there.

UA is starting to bite in the UDU stats, from everything I am hearing....

EsquireFlyer Mar 23, 2012 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 18259032)
Seems on AA, there is an domestic upgrade system that is able to be understood and results in elites getting domestic upgrades, so I am not as concerned there.

UA is starting to bite in the UDU stats, from everything I am hearing....

Yes. Pretty much any upgrade system is better than the EUA black box / dice roll that UACO now uses.

cyclogenesis Mar 23, 2012 1:51 pm

Ditto what others have said... I have flow in a 777 in C domestically on an old config...

I would be very comfortable flying this TATL... But I only a mere silver... and I am about to sit in Y on a TPAC... I would sell my proverbial to have a old C recliner for the 15 hours to follow (ord LAX is in F, LAX-MEL is in Y... whY oh whY... oh, that's right, tax payers money...)

dalston Mar 23, 2012 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by brp1264 (Post 18258223)
Bolded the part about the AVOD. You assume the AVOD on the new 777 actually works, which it usually does not!!! :D

At a quick count, I'm 16 for 16 at the AVOD working on the new 777s (and I may be missing some legs). I polled a couple of co-workers (one GS, one 1K) over lunch and neither of them have experienced it not working either.

What's your sample size as a PMCO*G who mainly flies non-stop from Newark? Or is this a cheap shot?

octeckels Mar 23, 2012 2:17 pm

I'll take an old 777 anyday
 
[QUOTE=Passmethesickbag;18255232]Actually, the new config seats are marginally narrower. IMHO, because they are packed 8 abreast instead of 7, they feel substantially more crowded. The new ones are great for sleeping, but I struggle to get any work done in them, in spite of the availability of a normal socket to charge my laptop) whereas the old ones are OK (why, you can even store your stuff at your feet).

I was thrilled last week when an old 777 was swapped in for a new one for my LAX-IAD business class upgrade. I hate the lack of at-seat storage space on the new 767s and 777's.

I'm 5 feet tall and have a shoulder injury, and was dreading getting everything in and out of the overhead bins. But since the plane was swapped to the old 777, I could put my small rolling bag and all my carry-on items at my feet and in the seat pockets. :)

The new CO BusinessFirst seats are the best of both worlds, and I book Lufthansa business class over the new United planes whenever I can.

EsquireFlyer Mar 23, 2012 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by octeckels (Post 18259394)
The new CO BusinessFirst seats are the best of both worlds, and I book Lufthansa business class over the new United planes whenever I can.

Does BF have floor-level / seat-level storage for takeoff and landing?

youreadyfreddie Mar 23, 2012 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 18256784)
They justify it under the umbrella of "integration issues." Presumably it will eventually be resolved, but it may take the pax doing a lot of legwork and calls to get what previously was done automatically to happen.

That seems more realistic than the game-of-chance scenario.

youreadyfreddie Mar 23, 2012 5:11 pm

[QUOTE=CollegeFlyer;We are now on day 554 of the merger. The "not everything can be perfect on day 1" rhetoric is getting a little old.[/QUOTE]

^Truer words were never spoken.

UA-NYC Mar 23, 2012 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 18258131)
I haven't seen a single post March 2 example of money and miles being returned after a failed upgrade.

I haven't seen a single post March 2 example of a GPU/RPU being returned automatically after a failed upgrade either ;)

cranky1K Mar 23, 2012 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag (Post 18255232)
Actually, the new config seats are marginally narrower. IMHO, because they are packed 8 abreast instead of 7, they feel substantially more crowded. The new ones are great for sleeping, but I struggle to get any work done in them, in spite of the availability of a normal socket to charge my laptop) whereas the old ones are OK (why, you can even store your stuff at your feet).

Of course, the seat pitch is another matter...

I agree on all counts.

Boghopper Mar 23, 2012 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by mnmme (Post 18257772)
Clarification - gives you the oppurtunity to pay more for a Y seat on the CHANCE you may get to use a "free" GPU/SWU!

These days I never leave a SWU upgrade to chance, I find flights with availability and only go on the wait list when I absolutely cannot avoid it.

EsquireFlyer Mar 23, 2012 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by Boghopper (Post 18261660)
These days I never leave a SWU upgrade to chance, I find flights with availability and only go on the wait list when I absolutely cannot avoid it.

+1


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