Million Milers - Petition the UA Board
Feb 2, 2012, 7:40 am
#31
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UrbaneGent
I see a potential huge problem with your editing the content. The people who already signed may not agree with your rewrite. I don't know how to handle it but you should probably close signing until there is a final edition posted, contact all who already signed and let them know there are rewrites and let them know they need to sign again when the final rewrite is posted. Wipe out any existing signatures so it can be a fresh start once a final version is posted. You are setting yourself up for misery if someone signed, you change what is posted and they don't agree with the changes and you submit their name or however you are planning to get UA to see the signatures. I know I would be.
I see a potential huge problem with your editing the content. The people who already signed may not agree with your rewrite. I don't know how to handle it but you should probably close signing until there is a final edition posted, contact all who already signed and let them know there are rewrites and let them know they need to sign again when the final rewrite is posted. Wipe out any existing signatures so it can be a fresh start once a final version is posted. You are setting yourself up for misery if someone signed, you change what is posted and they don't agree with the changes and you submit their name or however you are planning to get UA to see the signatures. I know I would be.
Feb 2, 2012, 8:08 am
#32
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UrbaneGent
I see a potential huge problem with your editing the content. The people who already signed may not agree with your rewrite. I don't know how to handle it but you should probably close signing until there is a final edition posted, contact all who already signed and let them know there are rewrites and let them know they need to sign again when the final rewrite is posted. Wipe out any existing signatures so it can be a fresh start once a final version is posted. You are setting yourself up for misery if someone signed, you change what is posted and they don't agree with the changes and you submit their name or however you are planning to get UA to see the signatures. I know I would be.
I see a potential huge problem with your editing the content. The people who already signed may not agree with your rewrite. I don't know how to handle it but you should probably close signing until there is a final edition posted, contact all who already signed and let them know there are rewrites and let them know they need to sign again when the final rewrite is posted. Wipe out any existing signatures so it can be a fresh start once a final version is posted. You are setting yourself up for misery if someone signed, you change what is posted and they don't agree with the changes and you submit their name or however you are planning to get UA to see the signatures. I know I would be.
Feb 2, 2012, 8:15 am
#33
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Definition of echo chamber
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Feb 2, 2012, 8:18 am
#34
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UrbaneGent
I see a potential huge problem with your editing the content. The people who already signed may not agree with your rewrite. I don't know how to handle it but you should probably close signing until there is a final edition posted, contact all who already signed and let them know there are rewrites and let them know they need to sign again when the final rewrite is posted. Wipe out any existing signatures so it can be a fresh start once a final version is posted. You are setting yourself up for misery if someone signed, you change what is posted and they don't agree with the changes and you submit their name or however you are planning to get UA to see the signatures. I know I would be.
I see a potential huge problem with your editing the content. The people who already signed may not agree with your rewrite. I don't know how to handle it but you should probably close signing until there is a final edition posted, contact all who already signed and let them know there are rewrites and let them know they need to sign again when the final rewrite is posted. Wipe out any existing signatures so it can be a fresh start once a final version is posted. You are setting yourself up for misery if someone signed, you change what is posted and they don't agree with the changes and you submit their name or however you are planning to get UA to see the signatures. I know I would be.
Also, keep in mind the major changes were done on www.millionmilersunited.com - there is no petition it's an open letter. From there you can go to the petition. Also, I won't post a remedy, I think that's for UA to do.
Those happy with the changes, good for you! Happy you're happy.
This is exactly what I wanted to do, have us collectively write something up and that's what happened.
I think most, not all, will be happy. I can't imagine any stone unturned.
Back to my day job.
UG
Feb 2, 2012, 8:22 am
#35
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Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
Since this thread is concerned with the petition, do you have any siuggestions for improving it?
I'd suggest stating that some flyers prefer the rule changes, to a best future state would be to offer choices - choose upgrades OR spouse benefit. That's really the crux of the changes. Nothing else was ever noted in the rules for MM, contrary to what some have claimed, including:
* Keeping 2nd level in upgrades/tiers
* 100% bonus
Feb 2, 2012, 2:31 pm
#36
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Hi everyone, it's been silent in here - I set up www.millionmilersunited.com and www.change.org/member/millionmilersunited
I would like to get your support for this because something has to be vocalized instead of just sitting still. What United has done is NOT acceptable.
The only thing I didn't put is the remedy. United rang a bell, and everyone knows you can't unring a bell. Everyone has an idea of what they think should happen, but I want to state that, collectively, we are not happy.
Open to comments and suggestions. I think I have read and re-read everything over and over and have hit every major point.
My personal opinion is to split United's Mileage plus members into two camps: those happy with the program, and continue as is, and those who wish to be uncalibrated and continue on the path they were on. 1MM = the "new" 2MM, 2MM = the "new" 3 MM and 3MM = the "new" 4 MM
The companion status thing is laughable.
UG
I would like to get your support for this because something has to be vocalized instead of just sitting still. What United has done is NOT acceptable.
The only thing I didn't put is the remedy. United rang a bell, and everyone knows you can't unring a bell. Everyone has an idea of what they think should happen, but I want to state that, collectively, we are not happy.
Open to comments and suggestions. I think I have read and re-read everything over and over and have hit every major point.
My personal opinion is to split United's Mileage plus members into two camps: those happy with the program, and continue as is, and those who wish to be uncalibrated and continue on the path they were on. 1MM = the "new" 2MM, 2MM = the "new" 3 MM and 3MM = the "new" 4 MM
The companion status thing is laughable.
UG
Feb 2, 2012, 2:33 pm
#37
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Hi everyone, it's been silent in here - I set up www.millionmilersunited.com and www.change.org/member/millionmilersunited
I would like to get your support for this because something has to be vocalized instead of just sitting still. What United has done is NOT acceptable.
The only thing I didn't put is the remedy. United rang a bell, and everyone knows you can't unring a bell. Everyone has an idea of what they think should happen, but I want to state that, collectively, we are not happy.
Open to comments and suggestions. I think I have read and re-read everything over and over and have hit every major point.
My personal opinion is to split United's Mileage plus members into two camps: those happy with the program, and continue as is, and those who wish to be uncalibrated and continue on the path they were on. 1MM = the "new" 2MM, 2MM = the "new" 3 MM and 3MM = the "new" 4 MM
The companion status thing is laughable.
UG
I would like to get your support for this because something has to be vocalized instead of just sitting still. What United has done is NOT acceptable.
The only thing I didn't put is the remedy. United rang a bell, and everyone knows you can't unring a bell. Everyone has an idea of what they think should happen, but I want to state that, collectively, we are not happy.
Open to comments and suggestions. I think I have read and re-read everything over and over and have hit every major point.
My personal opinion is to split United's Mileage plus members into two camps: those happy with the program, and continue as is, and those who wish to be uncalibrated and continue on the path they were on. 1MM = the "new" 2MM, 2MM = the "new" 3 MM and 3MM = the "new" 4 MM
The companion status thing is laughable.
UG
Feb 2, 2012, 3:43 pm
#38
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I honestly still have issues with the letter and petition. I see that some of the content from uastarflyer's letter was incorporated, but the website still has an emotional and accusatory tone. The reason why I like uastarflyer's letter is not simply because it covered the points, but rather because it came across as more objective and focused on the business aspects of the relationship between company and customer. It was also much shorter and concise. Have you considered just using that letter as-is?
Feb 2, 2012, 4:45 pm
#39
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You are correct, moving to the main thread and will no longer be reading this one. Thanks.
As to the emotional "tone" people who read the letter are not all FlyerTalk Members, it has to have some background. Also, I feel, when a letter comes across as too "legal" it's sounds threatening, it was not my intention (to sound threatening) - it was meant to be a lovingly written letter, which it is.
No one is being attacked, earlier references made to things that happened in the past mentioned here have been taken off, and every single point uastarflyer mentioned can be connected to the petition - if it's too "fluffy" or not your style, I can appreciate your stance.
Something has to be done - our voices have to be heard, if we don't like 100% but, "you know I like 99% thru 80%, so it's okay, at least I'm going to be a part of this" - its up to you as to your threshhold of when you want to support something or not.
Oenophilist I know, by reading your previous posts, you more than most of us actual MMilers had to go through a little more to obtain your status. I really would like your support because if anyone deserves to have their voice heard is yours. If it's not exactly how you like it but enough to tip you over, I would like to have your voice included.
Thank you everyone - I'm moving this to just one thread, the main one about MM status.
Best wishes,
UG
As to the emotional "tone" people who read the letter are not all FlyerTalk Members, it has to have some background. Also, I feel, when a letter comes across as too "legal" it's sounds threatening, it was not my intention (to sound threatening) - it was meant to be a lovingly written letter, which it is.
No one is being attacked, earlier references made to things that happened in the past mentioned here have been taken off, and every single point uastarflyer mentioned can be connected to the petition - if it's too "fluffy" or not your style, I can appreciate your stance.
Something has to be done - our voices have to be heard, if we don't like 100% but, "you know I like 99% thru 80%, so it's okay, at least I'm going to be a part of this" - its up to you as to your threshhold of when you want to support something or not.
Oenophilist I know, by reading your previous posts, you more than most of us actual MMilers had to go through a little more to obtain your status. I really would like your support because if anyone deserves to have their voice heard is yours. If it's not exactly how you like it but enough to tip you over, I would like to have your voice included.
Thank you everyone - I'm moving this to just one thread, the main one about MM status.
Best wishes,
UG
Last edited by UrbaneGent; Feb 2, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Feb 3, 2012, 10:05 am
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The fact that many customers will not make the effort to inform United of their displeasure and simply take their business elsewhere actually increases our influence.
The preferences of people who will probably never fly a million miles or more are irrelevant to this discussion.
Feb 3, 2012, 11:46 am
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Feb 3, 2012, 8:26 pm
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To those wanting to petition United...
What is your leverage? Are you going to switch over to another carrier and start from scratch? Seriously. Maybe you can get a "million miler status match". After all, you've proven your worth and are good for it. The "million milers" are probably the group the UA team are least concerned with. These changes really do coincide with the changes at the actual elite levels: 50% bonus for Golds. Even Plats and 1Ks have to technically fly 75K eqms in order to start receiving CR-1s. And 1Ks technically have to fly 100K eqms to start receiving SWUs. The only thing you can argue for IMO is UC memebrship after 2MM. But complaining that since there's a new elite level (Platinum) your Gold level 2MM stautus has been devalued is a little laughable.
And as a reference, AA just changed their qualification rules for qualifying for MM status. And DL has removed the "lifetime" reference and replaced it with "free annual" regarding their MM benefits. The industry trend is not in your favor. Best of luck anyway
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What is your leverage? Are you going to switch over to another carrier and start from scratch? Seriously. Maybe you can get a "million miler status match". After all, you've proven your worth and are good for it. The "million milers" are probably the group the UA team are least concerned with. These changes really do coincide with the changes at the actual elite levels: 50% bonus for Golds. Even Plats and 1Ks have to technically fly 75K eqms in order to start receiving CR-1s. And 1Ks technically have to fly 100K eqms to start receiving SWUs. The only thing you can argue for IMO is UC memebrship after 2MM. But complaining that since there's a new elite level (Platinum) your Gold level 2MM stautus has been devalued is a little laughable.
And as a reference, AA just changed their qualification rules for qualifying for MM status. And DL has removed the "lifetime" reference and replaced it with "free annual" regarding their MM benefits. The industry trend is not in your favor. Best of luck anyway
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Feb 4, 2012, 1:06 am
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When UA says "we reserve the right to make changes to the Mileage Plus program" -- of which the Million Miler program is a part of-- how is that lying? Nobody seems to complain when they change the program such as to create a 1K level. Complimentary upgrades. Or CR1s/SWUs. None of which existed in the beginning. It's only when it's a change that upsets some that becomes "United lied to me!"
Feb 4, 2012, 8:47 am
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When UA says "we reserve the right to make changes to the Mileage Plus program" -- of which the Million Miler program is a part of-- how is that lying? Nobody seems to complain when they change the program such as to create a 1K level. Complimentary upgrades. Or CR1s/SWUs. None of which existed in the beginning. It's only when it's a change that upsets some that becomes "United lied to me!"