should we switch to a different airline?
Hello,
confirming upgrades (systemwides) has become impossible even as far as 9 months in advance. we now have to pay the higher fare for just the privilege to get on a waitlist. booking award tickets has also become impossible even as far as 9 months out unless you are willing to fly to Timbuktu if you really wanted to go to Europe. is it just me or is this entire UA system falling apart? I am a 1K and MM. would be curious to hear others' opinion on this and especially what other program to join. at this point, there is no benefit of sticking with UA it seems. pmk |
Originally Posted by pmkuhn
(Post 17916732)
Hello,
confirming upgrades (systemwides) has become impossible even as far as 9 months in advance. we now have to pay the higher fare for just the privilege to get on a waitlist. booking award tickets has also become impossible even as far as 9 months out unless you are willing to fly to Timbuktu if you really wanted to go to Europe. is it just me or is this entire UA system falling apart? I am a 1K and MM. would be curious to hear others' opinion on this and especially what other program to join. at this point, there is no benefit of sticking with UA it seems. pmk Any suggestions on how to leverage my current status in order to match either with AA or DL will be appreciated. |
Originally Posted by pmkuhn
(Post 17916732)
Hello,
confirming upgrades (systemwides) has become impossible even as far as 9 months in advance. we now have to pay the higher fare for just the privilege to get on a waitlist. booking award tickets has also become impossible even as far as 9 months out unless you are willing to fly to Timbuktu if you really wanted to go to Europe. is it just me or is this entire UA system falling apart? I am a 1K and MM. would be curious to hear others' opinion on this and especially what other program to join. at this point, there is no benefit of sticking with UA it seems. pmk Flyertalk is more community than it is message board. We are here to support one another through FF talk. That said, I would recommend that you spend a little time getting the flavor of the board (rather than having a first post be a negative one). That said, I have found that with creativity, there is almost always a way to get to your chosen destination on a confirmed upgrade or with miles. It can take a lot of legwork to do the research, and it may take connecting in places that don't always come to mind (like in Canada or Mexico). If you post your date range, you may find people here who are willing to help! |
Originally Posted by pmkuhn
(Post 17916732)
Hello,
confirming upgrades (systemwides) has become impossible even as far as 9 months in advance. we now have to pay the higher fare for just the privilege to get on a waitlist. booking award tickets has also become impossible even as far as 9 months out unless you are willing to fly to Timbuktu if you really wanted to go to Europe. is it just me or is this entire UA system falling apart? I am a 1K and MM. would be curious to hear others' opinion on this and especially what other program to join. at this point, there is no benefit of sticking with UA it seems. pmk 1. Top tier (DM) requires 125k not 100k like UA 2. As a DM (top tier) I had far less domestic upgrades than on UA 3. Delta requires YBM to upgrade internationally with a SWU or miles. TATL = $2800-$3500 lowest and TPAC = $3500-$4800 lowest (not a joke...no matter what your status this is what you have to pay to "upgrade"). 4. MM on Delta gets you nothing ..well ok, it gets you silver (like I said...nothing) and you get no SWU's 5. Awards on Delta can be had but for ridiculous amounts. Just tried to book BOS-HKG in J and it came back with 550,000 miles. The grass is not greener over there anyway. I was a Plat for 6 years and then a Diamond since its inception (3 years) so I have a pretty major sample size to work with. As a final data point I am still a Diamond on Delta and will be for another 2 years (rollover). I STILL am choosing to fly UA FWTW. |
Originally Posted by avidflyer
(Post 17916971)
Here are some "highlights" you will get over at Delta:
1. Top tier (DM) requires 125k not 100k like UA 2. As a DM (top tier) I had far less domestic upgrades than on UA 3. Delta requires YBM to upgrade internationally with a SWU or miles. TATL = $2800-$3500 lowest and TPAC = $3500-$4800 lowest (not a joke...no matter what your status this is what you have to pay to "upgrade"). 4. MM on Delta gets you nothing ..well ok, it gets you silver (like I said...nothing) and you get no SWU's 5. Awards on Delta can be had but for ridiculous amounts. Just tried to book BOS-HKG in J and it came back with 550,000 miles. The grass is not greener over there anyway. I was a Plat for 6 years and then a Diamond since its inception (3 years) so I have a pretty major sample size to work with. As a final data point I am still a Diamond on Delta and will be for another 2 years (rollover). I STILL am choosing to fly UA FWTW. UA is not as good as it used to be but my SWUs still clear 95%+ of the time even if it is not at ticketing. I try to fly mid-week which helps. On award tickets, there is pretty good availability close in so you might want to try that rather than booking 9 months out. No one likes the uncertainty, but I find if you just ignore it, things usually work out pretty well. |
Originally Posted by pmkuhn
(Post 17916732)
booking award tickets has also become impossible even as far as 9 months out unless you are willing to fly to Timbuktu if you really wanted to go to Europe.
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Originally Posted by zrs70
(Post 17916957)
Welcome to Flyertalk!
Flyertalk is more community than it is message board. We are here to support one another through FF talk. That said, I would recommend that you spend a little time getting the flavor of the board (rather than having a first post be a negative one). That said, I have found that with creativity, there is almost always a way to get to your chosen destination on a confirmed upgrade or with miles. It can take a lot of legwork to do the research, and it may take connecting in places that don't always come to mind (like in Canada or Mexico). If you post your date range, you may find people here who are willing to help! unable to get systemwide upgrades confirmed is true for LAX/SFO to SHA or PEK. also for SFO-FRA or any other transatlantic to FRA. Last year ORD-FRA and IAD-FRA was still somewhat open. as for timeframe: on the transatlantic routing there seems no early inventory on the UA900/UA901 flights so i was going to switch to connections but found those to be only available on a very sporadic basis. I am currently looking for SAN-FRA-ATH in late september. pmk PS: have been a long time visito/reader of FT but just not a 'signed in' member. |
Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag
(Post 17917448)
I've always wanted to see Timbuktu.
If you fly to Lisbon, though, you can pick up a TAP flight to Bamako-Sénou and from there to Timbuktu. Your only other Star Alliance option to Bamako seems to be Ethiopian, which is probably inefficient unless you're coming from Asia; though on the upside they give full MP miles on all but the very lowest fare codes (unlike TAP where you'll need W or higher). And they haven't had an accident in (just) over two years! |
Originally Posted by pmkuhn
(Post 17917548)
i am more curious as to how many others are having the same issue.
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The SWU situation is very very spotty. I have always preferred doing SEA to LHR via SFO, but attempts to find availability (with an extremely competent and friendly CSR on the 1K phone line) failed, and by moving dates around we could grab two rt tix via IAD. Not sure if those 777s have the new configs or not; I discovered that the CO767s IAH-CDG were not the new seating.:td::td:
My sense is that the new management is far less invested in keeping elites happy; they are looking for $$$ results in the immediate near term. With the airline consolidations, perhaps they reckon we'll have nowhere to go.:(:( Flyer 420 in Seattle |
Originally Posted by Flyer420
(Post 17917697)
My sense is that the new management is far less invested in keeping elites happy; they are looking for $$$ results in the immediate near term. With the airline consolidations, perhaps they reckon we'll have nowhere to go.:(:(
Flyer 420 in Seattle |
Originally Posted by Flyer420
(Post 17917697)
My sense is that the new management is far less invested in keeping elites happy; they are looking for $$$ results in the immediate near term.
No sense in keeping an elite happy if they aren't positively contributing to the bottom line. Not suggesting they are deliberately giving elites the shaft, but it's in the businesses' best interest that they sell seats in the front of the airplane, and not give them away. I'm 1 for 4 on using instrument upgrades YTD and in the three I didn't clear the F cabin was sold out and no one was upgraded. Can't really fault UA for having a product people will pay for.
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 17917835)
a lot of people will just stay at home and/or do business by phone. I fly a lot but only because with UGs and Awards I can sit in the front of plane at a reasonable price.
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Originally Posted by belynch
(Post 17917872)
I'm 1 for 4 on using instrument upgrades YTD and in the three I didn't clear the F cabin was sold out and no one was upgraded.
Can't really fault UA for having a product people will pay for. And as for the value of the product, I'm pretty well off and I've never encountered value for money in paying for a first class ticket (i.e. $12,000 R/T to Europe) vs the gazillion opportunities to do something more useful with it down on planet earth. |
Originally Posted by belynch
(Post 17917872)
And I'd argue they're looking for both. :-:
No sense in keeping an elite happy if they aren't positively contributing to the bottom line. Not suggesting they are deliberately giving elites the shaft, but it's in the businesses' best interest that they sell seats in the front of the airplane, and not give them away. I'm 1 for 4 on using instrument upgrades YTD and in the three I didn't clear the F cabin was sold out and no one was upgraded. Can't really fault UA for having a product people will pay for. I, for one, would love nothing more than to not travel as much. Unfortunately it's not an option with my current position. Not really sure the subset of "voluntary/optional" business travel is all that high. It doesn't take that much of a change in flying to dramatically impact the carriers' bottom lines. Most people aren't so price sensitive that they will reduce their flying by 75%, but even one less trip a year on average will kill a carrier, and this impact is amplified when you are talking about FFs where because of W fares, etc, the margins are higher than average. The airlines used to be exclusively focused on maximizing revenue/margin per flight. They now realize that this changes customers behavior and hurts them over the long run so they need to focus more on maximizing revenue per customer. |
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