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Consolidated "Why is this fare so expensive?" Thread [2012]

Consolidated "Why is this fare so expensive?" Thread [2012]

Old Jan 30, 12, 10:50 am
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Oddly expensive flights (SAT-NYC)

Having recently moved to NYC, I am new to the UA/CO forum but see more and more of my travel going to CO/UA.

I've noticed that CO's nonstop from SAT to EWR is always ridiculously (IMHO) expensive. I've never seen it for less than $853 when Delta (the only other nonstop airline) frequently has tickets for $299 (and at similar times).

I've tried checking out the fare rules on ITA, but I always get an error. Has anyone noticed similar anomalies? I cannot seriously imagine that demand on SAT-EWR is sufficient to sustain RT tickets for $853.

Thanks for any insight anyone can share.

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Old Jan 30, 12, 11:55 am
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Airport and/or route monopoly. It's not just SAT...

Also, one way pricing and trips < 3 days to/from EWR will cause artificially high pricing as well
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Old Jan 30, 12, 1:11 pm
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30% base fare increase in 1 month

Even though 10 months in advance, I was about to book RT flight from SAV to OAX for Oct. for a 10 day stay and discovered a 30% base fare increase from 1 month ago - from $596. to $770. net total. Lowest base Fare including all taxes and fees had been stable at $596. for previous 3 months - now this. Previous was an E fare which seems to be no more. Now lowest base fare is a W fare. Scanning the fare over the next 10 months, this $770. W fare is the lowest. Is this a new gouging trend by CO. Is there any way to appeal this massive fare increase? (The $596. fare was 15% higher than the previous year of $530. which means about 45% increase in 1 year.)

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Old Jan 30, 12, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by tarkaboy View Post
... Previous was an E fare which seems to be no more. Now lowest base fare is a W fare. ...
typically E>W

Originally Posted by tarkaboy View Post
... Is there any way to appeal this massive fare increase? ...
nope

Airfare are always in the status of flux -- your options are to wait and see if the fares decreases -- they might or might not
or
book with another carrier.
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Old Jan 30, 12, 1:38 pm
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Try alternative airports - SFO on one end, not sure what's on the other

Less airline competition = guaranteed higher prices
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Old Jan 30, 12, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by tarkaboy View Post
Even though 10 months in advance, I was about to book RT flight from SAV to OAX for Oct. for a 10 day stay and discovered a 30% base fare increase from 1 month ago - from $596. to $770....
Note that today's fare displays are no longer base fares...they're all-in fares (recent change mandated by the feds). This is what I see for a selected 10-day trip in October:

USD 683.40 USD 91.67 USD 775.07

Base fare looks like $683.40, so not as bad as you think.

Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
Try alternative airports - SFO on one end, not sure what's on the other
I almost made the same mistake...OP going to OAX, not OAK lol...
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Old Feb 5, 12, 3:10 pm
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UA fares vs AS fares to Hawaii

In the Bay Area, there seems to be a much cheaper way to get to any of the 4 major Hawaiian islands (from San Jose) by using AS than UA. I apologize if other threads have hit on this, but a search today was impressive: Flying SJC-OGG-SJC on AS could be done for $1,283.00---in F---refundable for a trip I was going to do later in October. Same fare on the web with UA----in F---$3,933.00 which included a stop at LAX both ways. A lower fare of $2,476 could be had on UA by doing 2 stops each way.

Question: Is UA impervious to this fare competition or is this an aberrancy in the market place that I don't understand? These fares from SJC to KOA and HNL are much better than UA's flights which leave only 38 miles up the road.
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Old Feb 5, 12, 3:20 pm
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With respect to economy/lowest fares - AS needs lower fares given they're relatively new to that market. UA does tend to match many of their sales, but selectively - only a few months at a time (so october is too far into the future), sometimes select cities (e.g. sfo might not get a match, but sjc will). However, looking at fares now, UA actually has semi-comparable economy fares now.

As far as F fares, it's a different revenue philosophy. UA charges arm and a leg getting a few takers whereas AS charges a much more modest difference but sells out the F cabin weeks before departure. Impossible to say pros/cons of each approach without lots of internal data.
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Old Feb 6, 12, 12:02 am
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I'm looking at SFO-SLC for the end of March and was shocked to find that the non-stops are ~$900. With a stop in DEN or LAX it drops down to ~$400.

DL's fares are comparably priced. Go figure.
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Old Feb 6, 12, 12:34 am
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Originally Posted by Sprezzatura View Post
I'm looking at SFO-SLC for the end of March and was shocked to find that the non-stops are ~$900. With a stop in DEN or LAX it drops down to ~$400.

DL's fares are comparably priced. Go figure.


Spring break skiing!....UA figures some will be in a hurry, justifying the N/S fare.
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Old Feb 6, 12, 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by Pegasus23 View Post
Spring break skiing!....UA figures some will be in a hurry, justifying the N/S fare.
Fair point. I still find it counter-intuitive that the longer flights cost so much less, though.
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Old Feb 6, 12, 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by Sprezzatura View Post
... I still find it counter-intuitive that the longer flights cost so much less, though.
counter-intuitive is an understatement for most airline pricing policies
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Old Feb 6, 12, 2:11 am
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Originally Posted by FullFare View Post
In the Bay Area, there seems to be a much cheaper way to get to any of the 4 major Hawaiian islands (from San Jose) by using AS than UA. I apologize if other threads have hit on this, but a search today was impressive: Flying SJC-OGG-SJC on AS could be done for $1,283.00---in F---refundable for a trip I was going to do later in October. Same fare on the web with UA----in F---$3,933.00 which included a stop at LAX both ways. A lower fare of $2,476 could be had on UA by doing 2 stops each way.

Question: Is UA impervious to this fare competition or is this an aberrancy in the market place that I don't understand? These fares from SJC to KOA and HNL are much better than UA's flights which leave only 38 miles up the road.
The AS nonstops from SEA - Hawaii tend to be more expensive than other carriers, most of which (other than DL to HNL and Hawaiian to OGG/HNL) involve a stop in California.
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Old Feb 6, 12, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by Sprezzatura View Post
Fair point. I still find it counter-intuitive that the longer flights cost so much less, though.
There are plenty of short-haul flights ex-EWR that are near $1K no matter what time of the year IF they're 3 days or less.
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Old Feb 6, 12, 8:46 am
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Something is up with fair pricing from ROC to CLT (or vice versa). UA-CO, normally prices at about "market" which is 225-260, if you purchase far enough out, long enough stay etc. Now the "deep discount buckets" aren't being released and lowest price I can find is over $400. What is odd is that pricing by the competitors (including US) has not changed nor has pricing to alternative airports like BUF or GSO, as applicable. Just plain odd .....

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