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Old Oct 9, 2012, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Baze
According to seatguru.com they are 18.3" which would make them the widest seats in economy on a wide body. Can anyone confirm seatguru's numbers?
Odd. On http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...t/default.aspx the 777-200 v6 and v7 are both listed as being 18.3". The 787-800 has no seat specs listed -- I guess they're hoping nobody notices.
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Old Oct 9, 2012, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Baze
According to seatguru.com they are 18.3" which would make them the widest seats in economy on a wide body. Can anyone confirm seatguru's numbers?
FWIW, wikipedia also lists UA's 9-abreast Y seats as 18.3" wide, although, of course, knowing wikipedia they might have gotten this figure from seatguru...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
(scroll down to interior)

This would, in fact, makes them among the widest Y seats in the UA fleet.

Given the cabin width of the 787, it would, in fact, be possible to accommodate nine 18.3" seats and still leave enough space for two aisles.

It should also be noted that one particularity of the 8-abreat ANA 787 is that the two middle seats have individual armrests (most economy seats share an armrest), so this adds about 6-7" to the amount of space the ANA Y seats take up in the cabin.

I know this sounds like a lot of an economy seat armrest, but click on the link below and look at the configuration of the middle seat armrests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AN...n_LED_show.jpg

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Old Oct 10, 2012, 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by oldsmoboi
What do they mean that the cabin altitude feels lower and that means you are more rested?
When aloft, the air pressure in most commercial aircraft is equivalent to the air pressure you would experience being on land at 8,000 feet above sea level. That's relatively thin air and thus a little harder to breathe. It's perfectly safe for most people but some say it's not as comfortable as thicker air. To address this preference, the 787 will be pressurized to the equivalent of being on land at 6,000 feet above sea level.

You might wonder why airplanes aren't pressurized to the comfortable equivalent of sea level. They're not because having all that air pressure inside the aircraft with very little of it outside would stress the structure of the plane like a balloon, possibly catastrophically.

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Old Oct 10, 2012, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by RNE
When aloft, the air pressure in most commercial aircraft is equivalent to the air pressure you would experience being on land at 8,000 feet above sea level. That's relatively thin air and thus a little harder to breathe. It's perfectly safe for most people but some say it's not as comfortable as thicker air. To address this preference, the 787 will be pressurized to the equivalent of being on land at 6,000 feet above sea level.

You might wonder why airplanes aren't pressurized to the comfortable equivalent of sea level. They're not because having all that air pressure inside the aircraft with very little of it outside would stress the structure of the plane like a balloon, possibly catastrophically.

RNE, sure that basement-dwelling aeronautical aficionados will correct my layman's treatise.
The other major "difference" is that there is less worry about corrosion with the composite frame. As a result the moisture level will be higher on the 787. AC are kept at very low moisture level due to condensation on the walls, and that problem will not be as serious on the 787. Both will be nice, but you will not have as much of a dried out feeling after a long 787 flight, nor need to drink as much water to stay hydrated.

It is a very cool plane. Unfortunately, I it is unlikely to effect my life in any material way (since UA does not run tag on flights from hub to hub like PMUA did).
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Old Oct 10, 2012, 3:31 pm
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(since UA does not run tag on flights from hub to hub like PMUA did).
You mean like the IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH ?

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Old Oct 21, 2012, 12:34 pm
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What's the big deal with this plane?
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanepeanuts
What's the big deal with this plane?
Other than the fact its a new plane? At least for now lie flat for certain domestic flight
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanepeanuts
What's the big deal with this plane?
"It's a game changer!" Haven't you been watching SMI/J in the preflight videos!?
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 8:05 pm
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When Does 787 #2 Arrive?

Any word on the arrival of the second A/C? Flying on 11/9 and 11/10 and seeing that on those days there should be 2 A/C flying--one on EWR and LAX turns and one on ORD and SFO turns. Getting a little concerned about the arrival of the second one and how long it will take before it can/will fly paying passengers.

Any insights?
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanepeanuts
What's the big deal with this plane?
Absolutely NOTHING!!!

And this come from a guy who couldn't wait for the 77W, 380 & 774-8 so it's not like I don't get excited when there is a great new plane. I just see NOTHING great about the 787 except the window size
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 9:18 pm
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I don't recall (def might be mistaken) Smisek saying this is a breakthrough in passenger experience. Its simply a significant business milestone. Its his fiduciary duty to tout that and sell his stock.

And the unfortunate reality is IMHO that if they can provide the same transportation at a lower cost that the competition, they'll be in business without all of the over entitled elites. Still not a reason to leave that revenue on the table but what can we do.
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by chinatraderjmr
Absolutely NOTHING!!!

And this come from a guy who couldn't wait for the 77W, 380 & 774-8 so it's not like I don't get excited when there is a great new plane. I just see NOTHING great about the 787 except the window size
Lower cabin altitude.

Much greater efficiency.

Pretty big leap ahead in material design and construction.
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 9:32 pm
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Don't forget the larger, electrochromic dimming windows...
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Old Oct 21, 2012, 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer;19540181
Lower cabin altitude.

Much greater efficiency.

Pretty big leap ahead in material design and construction.
How's that of advantage to the passenger ?
Fares any lower on these ?
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 12:34 am
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Originally Posted by hamburgoflyer
How's that of advantage to the passenger ?
Fares any lower on these ?
In the long-term, it will allow for (hopefully) cheaper fares. Similar to the efficiencies that allow Southwest to have such low cost fares.
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