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juddmike Sep 29, 2011 8:52 am

Is the merger really just history coming a full circle?
 
Just for kicks one night, looked up both PMUA and PMCO in Wikipedia.

How many on this board knew that they were both founded by the same person?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Varney

Maybe it was always fated to go this way ...

mre5765 Sep 29, 2011 11:54 am


Originally Posted by juddmike (Post 17192618)
Just for kicks one night, looked up both PMUA and PMCO in Wikipedia.

How many on this board knew that they were both founded by the same person?

Most. :D

There was speculation her that the call sign for the single operating certificate might be "Varney".

xzh445 Sep 29, 2011 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 17193742)
Most. :D

There was speculation her that the call sign for the single operating certificate might be "Varney".

Or the Varney Club for the lounges

boss315 Sep 29, 2011 5:58 pm

Flipping in his grave
 
Vary us spinning in his grave on this one!! Neat research...a great break from all of the gripping and moaning.

tanlines Sep 30, 2011 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by xzh445 (Post 17193843)
Or the Varney Club for the lounges

Oh no, that couldn't possibly have happened... it wouldn't have sounded NEARLY as impressive to the management team as

the "United Club" did....... *that* much cleverness took REAL brain power!! :p

worldwidedreamer Oct 2, 2011 2:10 am


Originally Posted by tanlines (Post 17199565)
Oh no, that couldn't possibly have happened... it wouldn't have sounded NEARLY as impressive to the management team as

the "United Club" did....... *that* much cleverness took REAL brain power!! :p

I actually made that suggestion quite a while ago...I think that the new UA should do something to recognize the shared founder of both CO and UA.

joshwex90 Oct 2, 2011 5:17 am

Wasn't Robert Six connected to both companies as well?

jaguar Oct 2, 2011 6:40 am

Had no idea about Varney - what an entrepreneur.

mre5765 Oct 2, 2011 6:41 am


Originally Posted by worldwidedreamer (Post 17206288)
I actually made that suggestion quite a while ago...I think that the new UA should do something to recognize the shared founder of both CO and UA.

Thwy put up a photo in each UC.

I think United Club is a fine name. The lounge should have a name that is easily tied back to the airline. CO and UA were the only usa legacies that had obscure names for their clubs. And unfortuately, Varney is now obscure. Case in point, it was news to the OP that he founded both airlines. Except to people older than 90, Fters, and airline junkies, Varney means nothing. Use the man's name as the call sign, slowly make customers aware of his legacy via the inflight mag and the safety video (a real lost opportunity by Smisek), and down the road UA can use Varney for more leverage, such as renamimg Global Services (which is sounds like a system integrator or oil field services outfit).

joshwex90 Oct 2, 2011 6:51 am


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 17206785)
Thwy put up a photo in each UC.

I think United Club is a fine name. The lounge should have a name that is easily tied back to the airline. CO and UA were the only usa legacies that had obscure names for their clubs. And unfortuately, Varney is now obscure. Case in point, it was news to the OP that he founded both airlines. Except to people older than 90, Fters, and airline junkies, Varney means nothing. Use the man's name as the call sign, slowly make customers aware of his legacy via the inflight mag and the safety video (a real lost opportunity by Smisek), and down the road UA can use Varney for more leverage, such as renamimg Global Services (which is sounds like a system integrator or oil field services outfit).

:rolleyes: Because there are always Admirals using the AC on AA? Or the Skyclub is actually in the sky?

UNITED959 Oct 2, 2011 6:53 am


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 17206785)
CO and UA were the only usa legacies that had obscure names for their clubs.

Admirals Club?

Michael D Oct 2, 2011 7:35 am


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 17193742)
Most. :D

There was speculation her that the call sign for the single operating certificate might be "Varney".

Probably most would not admit to not knowing it. :)

mre5765 Oct 2, 2011 8:07 am


Originally Posted by Michael D (Post 17206953)
Probably most would not admit to not knowing it. :)

It was discussed at length here when the merger was announced.


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 17206815)
:rolleyes: Because there are always Admirals using the AC on AA? Or the Skyclub is actually in the sky?


Originally Posted by UNITED959 (Post 17206825)
Admirals Club?

American Airlines likes to use the letter A a lot in it's marketing. American Advantage, Admirals Club, American Airlines, etc. Even a kettle deplaning his first AA flight would recognize this.

Delta has a FFP called Sky. Delta calls its club Sky.

That these associations were too subtle for the two of you is evidence that United was correct to give the clubs an explicitly eponymous name.

joshwex90 Oct 2, 2011 8:25 am


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 17207057)
American Airlines likes to use the letter A a lot in it's marketing. American Advantage, Admirals Club, American Airlines, etc. Even a kettle deplaning his first AA flight would recognize this.

Delta has a FFP called Sky. Delta calls its club Sky.

That these associations were too subtle for the two of you is evidence that United was correct to give the clubs an explicitly eponymous name.

:rolleyes: I was quite aware the Admirals Club was AA, but that had nothing to do with "A" being associated with American Airlines. Same with Sky. If I knew nothing, I'd sooner think it was some vodka club.
But that doesn't mean they need to change the name because they think everyone is stupid. If CO tells me I have access to the Presidents Club, I take that to mean I have access to their lounge and not to some exclusive hangout for Obama, Bush, and Clinton.

Using your logic, that a club MUST be associated with the airline in a very clear way, than only US has it down pat. All the non-US airlines, plus AA and DL. If you really believe people are that stupid, then trust me, they aint making the SkyMiles to SkyClub connection


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