Jan 1, 18, 9:44 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Benefits unique to the Chase MP Presidential Plus card (closed and not available for new cardholders)
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- FPQMs can only be used to increase PQMs to a max of 75,000. They are not counted once 75K is reached. (example 80K PQMs +10 FPQMs is still 80K total)
- FPQMs cannot be used to earn GPUs or RPUs past 75K PQMs
- FPQMs are held separately and are only used when the owner requests them to be applied to their MP accountFPQMs can be applied for a given year as late as March 31 of the next year
General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQP ( was Flex PQM)
May 27, 12, 1:54 am
#46
Join Date: Jul 2011
Programs: UA 1K, Hertz President's Circle, Hilton Platinum,
Posts: 661
I'm pretty sure you can use them up to 75k it's just above 75k they have no value. They're trying to preserve 1K status while giving you the same benefit you had under PMCO - achieving Platinum status using FEQMs.
I see it more as a preservation of the 1K status than the actual degradation of Pres. CC.
I see it more as a preservation of the 1K status than the actual degradation of Pres. CC.
May 27, 12, 5:18 am
#47
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: IAD
Programs: UA 1K, Marriott Rewards - LTPP
Posts: 4,239
I'm pretty sure you can use them up to 75k it's just above 75k they have no value. They're trying to preserve 1K status while giving you the same benefit you had under PMCO - achieving Platinum status using FEQMs.
I see it more as a preservation of the 1K status than the actual degradation of Pres. CC.
I see it more as a preservation of the 1K status than the actual degradation of Pres. CC.
May 27, 12, 7:16 am
#48
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Reading PA
Programs: AA Gold for Life UA Platinum Marriott Platinum Hilton Diamond
Posts: 7
Great question NJ. And with the expiration date now on the FEQMs (now renamed FPMs) they have becomed another step closer to worthless.
I still don't have this straight though; Can I toss 10k FPMs onto my flown
65k in order to achieve Platinum and then fly 25k more to achieve 1K?
I still don't have this straight though; Can I toss 10k FPMs onto my flown
65k in order to achieve Platinum and then fly 25k more to achieve 1K?
May 27, 12, 8:47 am
#49
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dubai / NYC
Programs: EK-IO, UA-1K2MM, ETIHAD-GOLD, SPG-PLAT LIFETIME, JUMEIRAH SERIUS GOLD
Posts: 5,220
I think that no one knows for sure!
Here is the little that I know from personal experience.
Last December, I was close to being a 1K (on my CO OnePass account), and I wanted to use FEQMs to pass the threshold. But the PMCO website shut off the transfer of FEQMs after 75K. It came back with an error message saying that you could not transfer FEQMs to get a total above 75K.
I called up the OnePass service center, and they manually transferred the miles over to get me to 1K, but politely warned me that they were explicitly forbidden from transferring FEQMs past 75K miles after December 31st, 2011, so I should be careful next year.
Now, the big question is whether they would *retroactively* go back and remove FEQMs once you earn "regular" FEQMs past 75K. It seems clear (to me, at least) from the posts by UAInsider that in theory no FEQMs could be used to qualify for 1K, so they should do a retroactive removal. But in practice, there is not yet a report of this happening that I know of---too early in the year. So no one knows!
I personally suspect that they will not do such a retroactive removal. Being a computer scientist (and a database guy) I know that it is always more effort from an implementation perspective to undo something than to prevent it. Can you imagine little lineitems in your statement saying "FEQM Removal: 2622 miles" every time you flew another segment and they removed some of your FEQMs? Would they go back into your FEQM repository? It is certainly possible, but I'll be very curious to hear from the first person with personal knowledge of what will happen.
Here is the little that I know from personal experience.
Last December, I was close to being a 1K (on my CO OnePass account), and I wanted to use FEQMs to pass the threshold. But the PMCO website shut off the transfer of FEQMs after 75K. It came back with an error message saying that you could not transfer FEQMs to get a total above 75K.
I called up the OnePass service center, and they manually transferred the miles over to get me to 1K, but politely warned me that they were explicitly forbidden from transferring FEQMs past 75K miles after December 31st, 2011, so I should be careful next year.
Now, the big question is whether they would *retroactively* go back and remove FEQMs once you earn "regular" FEQMs past 75K. It seems clear (to me, at least) from the posts by UAInsider that in theory no FEQMs could be used to qualify for 1K, so they should do a retroactive removal. But in practice, there is not yet a report of this happening that I know of---too early in the year. So no one knows!
I personally suspect that they will not do such a retroactive removal. Being a computer scientist (and a database guy) I know that it is always more effort from an implementation perspective to undo something than to prevent it. Can you imagine little lineitems in your statement saying "FEQM Removal: 2622 miles" every time you flew another segment and they removed some of your FEQMs? Would they go back into your FEQM repository? It is certainly possible, but I'll be very curious to hear from the first person with personal knowledge of what will happen.
May 27, 12, 11:39 am
#50
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 101
LOL we need a volunteer! someone who will hit 1k this year...and hasn't hit 75k yet.
Said volunteer will transfer some flex eqm (or whatever they're called these days) and watch their mileage to see if they cross into 1k status a little earlier than they should have. It might be sufficient to see if the 'progress towards elite' mileage still reflects the FlexEQM after hitting 75k.
I won't scrape past 75k for a few months (I travel mainly in the fall this year) and 1k isn't a certainty. If I am on track to hit 1k, I'll burn some flex eqm when I approach 75k as a test. haha perhaps this will also be a way to test "do they use the new (expiration date) flex eqm before old banked (no expiration date) flex eqm."
I'll bet that it you could use the flex EQM before hitting platinum and still have them count towards 1k. At least for a year or two. Why? Because it would be harder for them to program a script that separates 'flex eqm' from 'earned eqm' and stops tracking 'flex eqm' once you have more than 75k. PMCO didn't have the restriction on Flex EQM...
I doubt the United developers have been able to allocate time towards something like cancelling flexeqm that were already spent before you hit 75k, they're probably too busy with all the other problems of integrating systems.
Said volunteer will transfer some flex eqm (or whatever they're called these days) and watch their mileage to see if they cross into 1k status a little earlier than they should have. It might be sufficient to see if the 'progress towards elite' mileage still reflects the FlexEQM after hitting 75k.
I won't scrape past 75k for a few months (I travel mainly in the fall this year) and 1k isn't a certainty. If I am on track to hit 1k, I'll burn some flex eqm when I approach 75k as a test. haha perhaps this will also be a way to test "do they use the new (expiration date) flex eqm before old banked (no expiration date) flex eqm."
I'll bet that it you could use the flex EQM before hitting platinum and still have them count towards 1k. At least for a year or two. Why? Because it would be harder for them to program a script that separates 'flex eqm' from 'earned eqm' and stops tracking 'flex eqm' once you have more than 75k. PMCO didn't have the restriction on Flex EQM...
I doubt the United developers have been able to allocate time towards something like cancelling flexeqm that were already spent before you hit 75k, they're probably too busy with all the other problems of integrating systems.
May 28, 12, 10:35 am
#51
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 115
New Premiere Level - GP (Guinea Pig)
Unless someone beats me to it, I may be the first to achieve GP status (see title) later this year. I flew very little last year and had no status so I redeemed 25k of flex miles before I flew my first two bis trips this year. (As a silver I was upgraded on 5 of 8 segments.)
With a major trip coming up for which I needed two bags free over 50 pounds for myself and Mrs. IOIOIOIOIO, and being 2200 short of Gold, I bought 3000 PQM miles using the maximizer (cost $300) and Mrs. IOIOIOIOIO (no status) and I were upgraded on one of two eligible segments. (I suspect I would have been upgraded on the other had I been traveling w/o a companion.)
I'm at 60k right now and have trips planned that should get me to around 95k by the end of October. A short mileage run would put me over 100k with all of the over 75k mileage being bis miles. That's when we'll see what the system does - make me a 1k or start pulling flex miles out of the total (and if so, we'll see if those flex miles are redeposited.)
With a major trip coming up for which I needed two bags free over 50 pounds for myself and Mrs. IOIOIOIOIO, and being 2200 short of Gold, I bought 3000 PQM miles using the maximizer (cost $300) and Mrs. IOIOIOIOIO (no status) and I were upgraded on one of two eligible segments. (I suspect I would have been upgraded on the other had I been traveling w/o a companion.)
I'm at 60k right now and have trips planned that should get me to around 95k by the end of October. A short mileage run would put me over 100k with all of the over 75k mileage being bis miles. That's when we'll see what the system does - make me a 1k or start pulling flex miles out of the total (and if so, we'll see if those flex miles are redeposited.)
Jun 12, 12, 10:03 am
#53
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 26
Credit Card Flex EQM question
I have 30,000 elite qualifying miles. These miles can be used for status, up to platinum level
So if I have 70,000 miles for status already, I can only add 5,000 to get to platinum, not 30,000 to get to "1k" (the next level)
Question is, if I have 25k for status now, can I add my 30k miles to that, get to 55,000, which is below platinum. Then later, I get 50,000 more miles for status, and now I am at 105k. I don't use the elite qualifying miles to get me to 1k, but they are part of the 105. Does that work? Or do they disqualify the EQM's?
So if I have 70,000 miles for status already, I can only add 5,000 to get to platinum, not 30,000 to get to "1k" (the next level)
Question is, if I have 25k for status now, can I add my 30k miles to that, get to 55,000, which is below platinum. Then later, I get 50,000 more miles for status, and now I am at 105k. I don't use the elite qualifying miles to get me to 1k, but they are part of the 105. Does that work? Or do they disqualify the EQM's?
Jun 12, 12, 10:06 am
#54
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Programs: DL Diamond, UA 1K MM, SPG Plat For Life, Marriott Plat, Nexus/GlobalEntry
Posts: 9,198
I have 30,000 elite qualifying miles. These miles can be used for status, up to platinum level
So if I have 70,000 miles for status already, I can only add 5,000 to get to platinum, not 30,000 to get to "1k" (the next level)
Question is, if I have 25k for status now, can I add my 30k miles to that, get to 55,000, which is below platinum. Then later, I get 50,000 more miles for status, and now I am at 105k. I don't use the elite qualifying miles to get me to 1k, but they are part of the 105. Does that work? Or do they disqualify the EQM's?
So if I have 70,000 miles for status already, I can only add 5,000 to get to platinum, not 30,000 to get to "1k" (the next level)
Question is, if I have 25k for status now, can I add my 30k miles to that, get to 55,000, which is below platinum. Then later, I get 50,000 more miles for status, and now I am at 105k. I don't use the elite qualifying miles to get me to 1k, but they are part of the 105. Does that work? Or do they disqualify the EQM's?
Jun 12, 12, 10:25 am
#55
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 26
I assume you're referring to Flex EQM's earned from a credit card. Plat is the highest you can earn using flex EQM's. They would be completely disqualified in the scenario you suggest.. you'd be at 105,000 EQM's but would only be a Plat. You'd have to hit 130,000 EQM's to be 1K in your example.
Jun 12, 12, 10:26 am
#56
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: MCO, DCA, IAD
Programs: UA GS 1MM, Marriott Ambassador & Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,132
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Jun 12, 12, 10:54 am
#60
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Programs: DL Diamond, UA 1K MM, SPG Plat For Life, Marriott Plat, Nexus/GlobalEntry
Posts: 9,198
