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UA840 Aug 11, 2011 9:39 pm

Will United continue to codeshare with Virgin?
 
Apologies if this has been asked but I could not find it. Will United continue to codeshare with Virgin once UA and CO have completely combined operations and FF programs? I find the Virgin codeshares very convenient JFK-LHR. My company makes it very difficult to fly EWR-LHR which effectively makes Virgin the only way I can get to LHR non-stop and still earn UA/CO EQM.

craz Aug 11, 2011 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by UA840 (Post 16907109)
Apologies if this has been asked but I could not find it. Will United continue to codeshare with Virgin once UA and CO have completely combined operations and FF programs? I find the Virgin codeshares very convenient JFK-LHR. My company makes it very difficult to fly EWR-LHR which effectively makes Virgin the only way I can get to LHR non-stop and still earn UA/CO EQM.

Since when did UA have Virgin have a partnership and code-share agreement. I know CO has it with VS, but didnt know UA did and VS doesnt show up on ua.com when looking at its partners

If VS and UA had an agreement then I would have expected it to continue the problem is that CO & VS had 1 and its unknown if CO will bebale to bring Vs into UA

also if you put in JFK-LHR not 1 VS flight will appear on ua.com, which isnt the if you book it on co.com

star_world Aug 12, 2011 5:28 am


Originally Posted by craz (Post 16907480)
Since when did UA have Virgin have a partnership and code-share agreement. I know CO has it with VS, but didnt know UA did and VS doesnt show up on ua.com when looking at its partners

If VS and UA had an agreement then I would have expected it to continue the problem is that CO & VS had 1 and its unknown if CO will bebale to bring Vs into UA

also if you put in JFK-LHR not 1 VS flight will appear on ua.com, which isnt the if you book it on co.com

CO is one half of the merged airline going forward. CO has existing airline partnerships that the old UA didn't have, and the old UA had some that CO didn't have. It's a perfectly valid question. However, we do not know the answer yet.

So it's not really a question of whether CO will be allowed to keep the partnership, more whether the management of the new merged airline see value in this partner airline.

eastnortheast Aug 12, 2011 6:48 am

I recently flew Hong Kong - London on Virgin Atlantic. I did not realize that they are a partner airline of Continental. Any way I can get credit for the miles (dont have a Continental MP #, only United).

By the way, I had pretty big expectations for the flight, as it was the first time I had flown Virgin. Wasn't bad, but did not overwhelm me. I think that the new United C/F class seats stack up well. One thing that was a minor irritant on Virgin was that you had to get up out of your seat and flip the cushion to make it lay flat. Then you had to repeat the process if you wanted to sit up. Liked the pj's that they gave out, ^, but service was just okay. Granted, it was an overnight flight, so I think they intentionally minimized service to allow people to sleep.

JCBR Aug 12, 2011 7:39 am

The codeshare is between CO and VS only and you can earn miles on codeshares but only codeshare flights.
You can, however, redeem miles on even a non codeshare flight - for example LHR-HKG but that is CO/VS only and not Star (so cannot earn UA or any other * carrier miles).

The CO/VS tie up will remain as long as the original agreement specified and will almost certainly not be cancelled when the merger goes through.
You can book a VS flight via the CO website easily well into 2012 so there are obviously no immediate plans.

As for the longer term outlook - my feeling is that VS will join StarA. They need to be in an alliance and already have numerous partnerships with * members (ANA, NZ, BMI, AIR CHINA, SAS, SOUTH AFRICAN) plus let' snot forget SQ who own 49% of VS.

sbm12 Aug 12, 2011 8:05 am


Originally Posted by eastnortheast (Post 16909020)
I recently flew Hong Kong - London on Virgin Atlantic. I did not realize that they are a partner airline of Continental. Any way I can get credit for the miles (dont have a Continental MP #, only United).

Open a OnePass account. Credit to that account. Link your OnePass and Mileage Plus accounts.

As for your experience in-flight, I would say that you got the typical VS experience. It just isn't all that great these days. Ten years ago, sure, but they haven't kept pace with the changes in the industry.

absolu7 Aug 12, 2011 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16909392)
Open a OnePass account. Credit to that account. Link your OnePass and Mileage Plus accounts.

As for your experience in-flight, I would say that you got the typical VS experience. It just isn't all that great these days. Ten years ago, sure, but they haven't kept pace with the changes in the industry.

this was a pleasant surprise to book reward flight for 32,500 one way from pvg to ewr when CO had no avail.

rkkwan Aug 12, 2011 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16909392)
As for your experience in-flight, I would say that you got the typical VS experience. It just isn't all that great these days. Ten years ago, sure, but they haven't kept pace with the changes in the industry.

Not if you're stuck in Y on one of their 7th-hand 742s in 2000. Worst experience across the Atlantic for me ever.

TWAB747nomore Aug 12, 2011 1:07 pm

I highly doubt it .......... unless you consider bringing virgin into star alliance which is an interesting conecpt and bring pressure to BA

MarkedMan Aug 12, 2011 4:54 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 16911540)
Not if you're stuck in Y on one of their 7th-hand 742s in 2000. Worst experience across the Atlantic for me ever.

When you peel through the mktg layer, it was always a bit of a mixed bag airline. It could feel kinda like UA might feel when you find yourself on an old config 777.

The business class experience with the bar with pastry stands and flower vases, the on board massage therapist, the Oswald Boateng amenity kits with super nice, super sturdy luggage tags I still have, the nice, long, proper metal pens I have lots of around the house, the Tanqueray Ten gin, full bottle, sitting behind the bar, which I was free to pour for myself, etc etc, was something else. It's all gone now, and the whole experience feels a lot more like he 742s in Y did - comparatively speaking. I would still be a 2p for my occasional internal flight, and a VS gold with my euro flights, if VS UC was still today what it was when the lie-flat seats were first introduced.

And yes, I do actually prefer UA stile C/F seats, really like the ability to fine tune how much recline I have. It's a major downside with the VS/DL/AC/ANZ style seat.

VS just introduced an I revenue biz class fare bucket, which suggests they might not be looking at *A as an alliance partner. I'd love for them to join *A, I'd fly their premium economy on a day flight from the UK in a heartbeat if my 1K status got me into the LHR clubhouse.

UA840 Aug 12, 2011 6:04 pm

Personally I would prefer old UA C to VS Upper Class. Old UA with SWUs to F on long flights is a no-brainer UA F over VS C. I will say that VS is much better on the ground. The problem I have is the lack of *A flying JFK-LHR. The new CO should put some ps flight planes on JFK-LHR (especially if the rumors about getting rid of the ps 757s are true).

businesstraveller2 Aug 13, 2011 8:21 am

Lately I've been flying VS on Z type fares in the upper class cabin on the overnight to LHR from LAX and then coming back in Premium Econ on the return, often stopping on the east coast on a daytime flight. Those fares have been better than anything I can get on UA or other *A carriers. Was happy to get the CO EQMs for my VS flight it will probably be the deciding factor for making the new 1K in 2012. I really hope the partnership continues into 2012 and is transferred from CO to the new UA.

sbm12 Aug 13, 2011 10:07 am


Originally Posted by UA840 (Post 16913383)
(especially if the rumors about getting rid of the ps 757s are true).

The p.s. product will continue to exist but not in the current form. It is going to be the CO BF seats, E+ and E-.

lhrsfo Aug 13, 2011 10:35 am

JFK/LHR is a huge miss for *A so, without VS, *A itself becomes much less attractive. However, I suspect that the matter is more in the hands of VS than UACO, since VS is up for sale, with Deutsche Bank publicly appointed to handle the process. Would already have happened but for SQ's stake, acquired for too high a valuation.

1kBill Aug 13, 2011 10:53 am


Originally Posted by MarkedMan (Post 16913088)
And yes, I do actually prefer UA stile C/F seats, really like the ability to fine tune how much recline I have. It's a major downside with the VS/DL/AC/ANZ style seat.

Actually, the DL/AC seats can be reclined into a fully flat bed without having to get out of the seat, unlike the VS/NZ seats.

Major :td: to the VS/NZ seats, IMHO.


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