Consolidated FRA connection time/logistics-Domestic & International
#916
Join Date: Nov 2013
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This is key, what is possible for a traveler very familiar with an airport and what works for someone new or infrequent to an airport can be very different.
Additionally some are not as physical agile as some posters, what they can do in 15 minutes of walking might take a more "average" traveler 20 minutes or even more due to age, lots of bags, kids, ....
Us familiar with the airport, single agile frequent travelers experiences can be optimistic for many others.
In making these recommendations, I tend to add a "newbie" buffer.
Additionally some are not as physical agile as some posters, what they can do in 15 minutes of walking might take a more "average" traveler 20 minutes or even more due to age, lots of bags, kids, ....
Us familiar with the airport, single agile frequent travelers experiences can be optimistic for many others.
In making these recommendations, I tend to add a "newbie" buffer.
#917
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: SFO
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Can you provide more details about FRA ops being a disaster? Like kdoughboy, I have a 1:10 connection in FRA (SFO-FRA-NCE) on UA/LH metal in a few days. Flying J if it helps. I guess given what you and bmwe92fan I shouldn't really count on making the connection? Not sure what other options I have with UA at this point.
#918
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: JAX
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Can you provide more details about FRA ops being a disaster? Like kdoughboy, I have a 1:10 connection in FRA (SFO-FRA-NCE) on UA/LH metal in a few days. Flying J if it helps. I guess given what you and bmwe92fan I shouldn't really count on making the connection? Not sure what other options I have with UA at this point.
However, this does mean your anxiety level will be higher should anything happen.
Last edited by CIT85; Jun 16, 2022 at 6:33 pm
#919
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
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When discussing connections in FRA we need to consider:
1) what procedures (i.e. passport control, security) are needed
2) gate locations of arriving and departing flights
For US > FRA > Schengen (e.g. NCE) connection passengers must clear passport control
For US > FRA > non-Schengen (e.g. EDI) connection there is no need for passport control
So in theory SFO-FRA-EDI connection should be easier/quicker than SFO-FRA-NCE
SFO-FRA flight is likely to arrive at a Z gate
FRA-NCE flight is likely to depart from an A gate
FRA-EDI flight is likely to depart from a B gate
US is a “clean” country for security purposes meaning there should be no need for transfer security for passengers arriving from the US
Z > A transfer does not necessitate transfer security
But due to the layout of the airport Z > B transfer normally necessitates clearing transfer security
Skyline shuttle between Z and B is considered “unclean”
Hence my comment in my earlier post about a direct bus transfer between Z and B, which removes the need for transfer security
Confused?
All this (and more) explains why the FRA connection thread in the LH forum is still going strong after 6000+ posts.
#921
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Can you provide more details about FRA ops being a disaster? Like kdoughboy, I have a 1:10 connection in FRA (SFO-FRA-NCE) on UA/LH metal in a few days. Flying J if it helps. I guess given what you and bmwe92fan I shouldn't really count on making the connection? Not sure what other options I have with UA at this point.
As long as your flight from SFO arrives on time there shouldn't be an issue making your connection -- just follow the signs and you will clear passport control to enter the EU -- then assuming you arrive at the terminal (Z Gates) your flight will probably be departing from the A gates -- which is the same terminal you are in -- just one level down. If it is departing from the A gates you probably not even have to clear security... Good luck!
#923
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#924
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,124
I would think it would be less likely a UA flight would park at B gates?
But you can't really predict what is going to happen. FRA is extremely complex and gate assignments are constantly changing. If a plane is late, it usually ends up at a bus gate, even it had been assigned a real gate, because they can't hold the gate without impacting other flights downstream. Of course, that then frees up the gate for a flight that was going to get a bus.
If you are on time arriving in FRA and are travelling on one ticket, you are within the MCT and stand a good chance of making the connection. If you miss the connection, most places have many other flights throughout the day, and LH will just put you on the next one.
#925
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Can you provide more details about FRA ops being a disaster? Like kdoughboy, I have a 1:10 connection in FRA (SFO-FRA-NCE) on UA/LH metal in a few days. Flying J if it helps. I guess given what you and bmwe92fan I shouldn't really count on making the connection? Not sure what other options I have with UA at this point.
There's been a lot of changes recently with LH -- here's a recent article: https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-c...cancellations/
As long as your flight from SFO arrives on time there shouldn't be an issue making your connection -- just follow the signs and you will clear passport control to enter the EU -- then assuming you arrive at the terminal (Z Gates) your flight will probably be departing from the A gates -- which is the same terminal you are in -- just one level down. If it is departing from the A gates you probably not even have to clear security... Good luck!
As long as your flight from SFO arrives on time there shouldn't be an issue making your connection -- just follow the signs and you will clear passport control to enter the EU -- then assuming you arrive at the terminal (Z Gates) your flight will probably be departing from the A gates -- which is the same terminal you are in -- just one level down. If it is departing from the A gates you probably not even have to clear security... Good luck!
#926
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: LAX
Posts: 588
Thank you to all for your helpful and detailed replies! We ended up booking a one-stop itinerary in lieu of the aforementioned itinerary (SFO-FRA-EDI were legs two and three of a two-stop itinerary) and won't be going through FRA any longer. But this has been a learning experience regardless and I appreciate the knowledge and helpfulness of this community.
#927
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 46
Would love to get feedback from all the experts here... have a J class itinerary SFO-EWR-FRA-MAA. There is a 95min connection in FRA, traveling as a family and haven't been through FRA in ages. Is it too tight? Don't think we have as many options for getting rebooked as the FRA-MAA is once every 2 days, so perhaps rerouted through DEL or BOM if we miss this?
#928
Join Date: May 2018
Location: FRA
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 1,477
Would love to get feedback from all the experts here... have a J class itinerary SFO-EWR-FRA-MAA. There is a 95min connection in FRA, traveling as a family and haven't been through FRA in ages. Is it too tight? Don't think we have as many options for getting rebooked as the FRA-MAA is once every 2 days, so perhaps rerouted through DEL or BOM if we miss this?
95 minutes should be plenty, presuming your inbound is not delayed significantly.
#929
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: NYC / TYO / Up in the Air
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Would love to get feedback from all the experts here... have a J class itinerary SFO-EWR-FRA-MAA. There is a 95min connection in FRA, traveling as a family and haven't been through FRA in ages. Is it too tight? Don't think we have as many options for getting rebooked as the FRA-MAA is once every 2 days, so perhaps rerouted through DEL or BOM if we miss this?
#930
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Hi,
An award booking has me transferring through Frankfurt, LH HAJ > FRA > ZRH ... anything that is known about this scenario? Risk of bus gate, typical terminals, ....?
Thanks
An award booking has me transferring through Frankfurt, LH HAJ > FRA > ZRH ... anything that is known about this scenario? Risk of bus gate, typical terminals, ....?
Thanks