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What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old Sep 21, 2008, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by pdxtraveller
Will be on SFO-SYD in November upper deck. Is there enough room for the under seat storage of a Travelpro Rolling Tote (16"x12.5"x8")?
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No. In fact, the FAs won't allow anything in the little open compartment under the foot rest. Stow your suitcase in the upper deck closet.
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I love the bins, but don't like the idea of being wedged in when someone else is lying flat.
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Originally Posted by flymetokix
I love the bins, but don't like the idea of being wedged in when someone else is lying flat.
I would prefer being "wedged in" when someone is lying flat over being even more "wedged in" when your seatmate is in full non-flat recline in the old configuration, and both seats in front of you and him/her are in full recline. Not only is it a bit challenging to get out due to the reclining seatmate, you also now have two seats completely intruding into your space.

I think people need to have experienced the new configuration firsthand first before they can get a truly realistic impression of how hard (or not) it is to get out. My impression was definitely that it was significantly easier to do so in the new configuration or old configuration, but I can also see how words don't really do a good job of describing the difference.
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Originally Posted by mre5765
FAs won't allow anything in the little open compartment under the foot rest.
And physics won't allow both feet in the cutout on top of the footrest...
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Great point

Great point -- since SFO-KIX is my most frequent international flight I have not experienced the new config. myself yet. In walking through the C cabin after a flight to FRA (when I was in coach - ugh -) it just seemed like it would be tighter. In looking at the picture again, I can see your point. Since you have had a chance to experience it, is being wedged in worth the bins given the lack of in-seat storage at the aisle seat. Obviously this is a matter of taste .... but I'll ask out of curiosity since I still have the choice at this point.

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I think people need to have experienced the new configuration firsthand first before they can get a truly realistic impression of how hard (or not) it is to get out. My impression was definitely that it was significantly easier to do so in the new configuration or old configuration, but I can also see how words don't really do a good job of describing the difference.
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Originally Posted by flymetokix
Since you have had a chance to experience it, is being wedged in worth the bins given the lack of in-seat storage at the aisle seat. Obviously this is a matter of taste .... but I'll ask out of curiosity since I still have the choice at this point.
Yes, because I don't think being wedged in is a big deal at all, personally.

That said, you could very well just get your personal belongings out (laptop, book, iPod, etc...) after takeoff and keep it in the footwell. You just aren't allowed to keep anything there during takeoff. In-flight is fine.
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
And physics won't allow both feet in the cutout on top of the footrest...
???

http://www.nakedsky.org/images/united_suitedreams1.jpg

I've men's size 11.5 feet. Not a problem for me.
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Originally Posted by mre5765
???

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I've men's size 11.5 feet. Not a problem for me.
No problem for me either.
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No problem for me either.
You must have had your shoes off, because there's no possible way to fit both feet in side-by-side with shoes on.
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Ummm, there are no 777s with new C seats, and won't be for another year...
Right. So either I time traveled, or I was actually lower deck on a 747. The latter seems more likely.

In any case, the lack of storage space stinks and I hope they fix the problem. I didn't have a problem with the footrest, though (shoes off).
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Originally Posted by BigE
I hope they fix the problem.
It won't happen until the next generation of seats. There just isn't any space there.
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
It won't happen until the next generation of seats. There just isn't any space there.
You seriously think there will be a next generation of United seats after this generation? United isn't even likely to survive as a going concern standalone airline by the time their glacial rollout of these "new" seats is scheduled for completion.

Let's get real. These seats are the best seats that the business entity doing business as "United Airlines" is every likely to have. That doesn't mean that some of these same aircraft won't have better seats somewhere in the future.

I did like the ability to roll onto my side for sleeping in it. But I didn't like the lack of underseat storage even for a small flexible bag, and the narrow foot cutout was annoying narrow even with shoes off.

This seat is ok. But it has its problems, especially given its very narrow "must fit 4 across in a 767" design constraint. and UA's decision to have only one version of the seat rather than a wider seat for 777 and 747 aircraft. Not looking forward to the 2-4-2 layout in 777 New C either.

Also, as a seat, I don't think it is as comfortable as the old C recliner seats. As a bed, it is of course much better.
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You seriously think there will be a next generation of United seats after this generation?
Yes, I do.

Originally Posted by MarkXS
it has its problems, especially given its very narrow "must fit 4 across in a 767" design constraint. and UA's decision to have only one version of the seat rather than a wider seat for 777 and 747 aircraft.
I suspect you have the design constraint backwards. I think they wanted to have a 2-4-2 on the 777 and 747 lower deck, so they couldn't have a wider seat.
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Originally Posted by BigE
In the upper deck of a new config 747, you still have those wonderful side bins, right? Are they big enough fit the OPs rolling tote (16"x12.5"x8")?
Presuming the dimensions of the side bins has not been reduced, the OP will have no trouble fitting their bag. The limiting dimension is the width. Mine is 8.5 and although a little tight fits in without trouble

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On the 747 in C in the new configuration, is there a preferred window seat that would be the easiest to out of without stepping over anyone?
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