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Old Dec 17, 2021, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by Captain Schmidt
A case of YMMV - I had a Moderna booster last week (1 + 2 were both AZ) and felt absolutely nothing, no symptoms of anything and not even a hint of a sore arm.
Likewise, I didn't have any side-effects after a Moderna booster to 2 x AZ other than slight local tenderness. In fact both of the AZ shots had minimal side-effects too. Hope my immune system has been paying attention nonetheless!
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by nk15
I had three doses of Pfizer and virtually no side effects other than some minor local pain for a day,.
Snap. Whereas my wife had pain after the first of her two AZ and after her Pfizer.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 6:38 am
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Originally Posted by Scots_Al
Was it just my mind that was trying to work out what song those were the lyrics to?
You can still sing these lyrics to the tune of "(Best vaccine), You're the one that I want", lol
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by Dan1113
The issue is this ruins a lot of Christmas plans, even if it is only in place for a few weeks. Hopefully no other EU countries will follow but the precedent is now there.
Germany is expected to decide this afternoon whether to classify the UK as a "virus variant area", requiring all arrivals to quarantine for two weeks.

It's ridiculous and unfair, of course, as Omicron is undoubtedly spreading everywhere and the UK is being punished for its greater testing and sequencing, but it's proving very difficult to shake off the "plague island" reputation.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 8:10 am
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Do you have any links to any commentary or articles out of Germany re this for the UK?
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by alex67500
If you've had anything else as your primo-course of vaccination(s), I'd take a pre-emptive paracetamols before getting to bed, and keep the box on the bedside table. But congrats on doing your bit!!
A little over 24hrs later and no side effects at all really. The slight ache in my left deltoid but other than that, nothing at all! I didnt take any pre-emptive paracetamol and have it on standby just in case though.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 10:10 am
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Daily data:

Cases 93,045 (58,194 last Friday)
Deaths 111 (120)
Patients admitted 900 (848 on the 6th)
Patients in hospital 7,611 (7,436 on the 9th)
Patients in ventilation beds 875 (900 on the 9th)
People vaccinated up to and including 16 December 2021:
First dose: 51,393,664
Second dose: 46,923,788
Booster: 26,338,651

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 38.6% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 4.5%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 113.4 today. Despite another jump in cases, the figure for weekly deaths is now below 800 (794) for the first time since 13th October. It peaked at nearly 1,200 early in November and has been falling since then.

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Old Dec 17, 2021, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by nk15
I had three doses of Pfizer and virtually no side effects other than some minor local pain for a day, and sometimes my mind wonders ("I hope she did it right, got the right dose out of the vile and no less, did they cool it properly, hope it wasn't expired, I hope there wasn't a local scam siphoning the real vaccine and giving out fakes, lol, etc.). At least with Moderna and the chills you know that you got the real thing for sure, lol....
I had two doses of AZ, and then the booster was Pfizer. First AZ felt very "flu-y" afterwards, and was wiped out physically for a few days. Second AZ wasn't bad at all. The Pfizer booster was fine, other than a very sore arm for the next day. I did wonder whether that third dose did anything, but after attending a dinner in a restaurant last Saturday with 6 friends, 4 of which (having only had two doses) are now not feeling well, testing positive and self-isolating, while the other two of us who have had our third doses (both about a month before) are testing negative and not feeling ill at all - I'm pretty sure that third dose did something...
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by DaveS
Daily data:

Cases 93,045 (58,194 last Friday)
Deaths 111 (120)
Patients admitted 900 (848 on the 6th)
Patients in hospital 7,611 (7,436 on the 9th)
Patients in ventilation beds 875 (900 on the 9th)
People vaccinated up to and including 16 December 2021:
First dose: 51,364,110
Second dose: 46,886,162
Booster: 25,598,784

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 38.6% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 4.5%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 113.4 today. Vaccination figures for England are AWOL today so far. Despite another jump in cases, the figure for weekly deaths is now below 800 (794) for the first time since 13th October. It peaked at nearly 1,200 early in November and has been falling since then.
The figure for cases certainly caught my attention. At some point in the next few days > 100000 is going to be the norm. How long before testing capacity is overwhelmed? I think things could get quite inconvenient in the next couple of weeks. Hospital staff, HGV drivers, shop workers, public transport workers and so on are going to be entering periods of quarantine in numbers. At the very least, I think it not unreasonable people have frozen backup (now) to the fresh things they normally buy in the run up to Christmas Day (though I still hold a candle for those fresh sprouts from our local M&S early-mid week). Oh, and try not to be ill.

Also, not to sound too pessimistic but while it looks increasingly like Omicron is vastly less lethal, I can see it overwhelming the NHS by virtue of there not being sufficient staff for those who do need hospital care. I think COVID has just become a disease of unpredictable knock on effects. I hope it peaks and fizzles quickly.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:18 am
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ok, how's this for paranoia!

Due to have booster on Monday 20th, 6 months after 2 x AZ. I 'think' it will be Moderna. I am also due to have a PCR fit to fly test on the 28th, for my (hopefully 5th time lucky) trip down to SA.

I am really worried now that the booster may affect the result of the PCR (i.e. it will be +). Am I being paranoid and illogical?

Of course I am also convinced I have covid, despite WFH for weeks, not going out socialising, and my only trips out is to the supermarket! Not sure my nerves can take much more of this!
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by Misco60
Germany is expected to decide this afternoon whether to classify the UK as a "virus variant area", requiring all arrivals to quarantine for two weeks.
This would be decidedly inconvenient for me personally, and as you say rather pointless. At the moment (18:20 here in Germany) the relevant RKI page is still showing the last update from 12:30 on 10th December, which if you click through to the relevant PDF shows the UK as 'high risk area' but not 'virus variant area'.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by HGOLI
ok, how's this for paranoia!

Due to have booster on Monday 20th, 6 months after 2 x AZ. I 'think' it will be Moderna. I am also due to have a PCR fit to fly test on the 28th, for my (hopefully 5th time lucky) trip down to SA.

I am really worried now that the booster may affect the result of the PCR (i.e. it will be +). Am I being paranoid and illogical?

Of course I am also convinced I have covid, despite WFH for weeks, not going out socialising, and my only trips out is to the supermarket! Not sure my nerves can take much more of this!
The vaccine will not affect the COVID test (PCR or rapid). If there is chance you have COVID now you should take a rapid test. If positive avoid the booster for some time.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by Internaut
The figure for cases certainly caught my attention. At some point in the next few days > 100000 is going to be the norm. How long before testing capacity is overwhelmed? I think things could get quite inconvenient in the next couple of weeks.
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Also, not to sound too pessimistic but while it looks increasingly like Omicron is vastly less lethal, I can see it overwhelming the NHS by virtue of there not being sufficient staff for those who do need hospital care. I think COVID has just become a disease of unpredictable knock on effects. I hope it peaks and fizzles quickly.
A linked issue with testing capacity being overwhelmed, which I've not seen discussed, is what happens to people who are reliant on PCR testing on arrival. I know this is different labs (private vs NHS), but if capacity is really pushed I could certainly see a case to be made for the Government utilising/requistioning/buying out private capacity.

As for your second point, I think it is still a bit too early to say on lethality. Yes, there's some encouraging-looking data from SA, but I'm not confident enough to make any firm predictions for the UK (I've not yet had a chance to read the HSA paper out today). And as you say, it is a bit of a moot point if the NHS is overwhelmed. I know enough contacts in the NHS to know that 'non-essential' work is already having to be postponed - it is all very well having beds, but you need trained staff to deliver the care.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by HGOLI

I am really worried now that the booster may affect the result of the PCR (i.e. it will be +). Am I being paranoid and illogical?
I did the same, booster and PCR 5 days later, it was fine/negative, they are not related.
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Old Dec 17, 2021, 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by squawk
This would be decidedly inconvenient for me personally, and as you say rather pointless. At the moment (18:20 here in Germany) the relevant RKI page is still showing the last update from 12:30 on 10th December, which if you click through to the relevant PDF shows the UK as 'high risk area' but not 'virus variant area'.
List out now. No new variant areas.
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