Local lockdowns in the UK
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Not the whole of Gwynedd but it’s a ‘hyper-local lockdown” covering just eight wards in the city of Bangor.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54484035
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54484035
what do you mean by hyper lockdown? Doesn’t seem any different to any other local lockdown in Wales?
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6 pm tonight is the time. There seems to be some logic to it all, but the problem will be now that the Government has lost its authority, they'll be huge arguments and it will be forced to change tack yet again after a month or two.
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Worth noting that in Wales, the Plaid Cymru leader has openly asked that the Welsh government imposes restrictions to arrivals from highly infected English areas, seemingly echoing the message of worry expressed by the Welsh health minister. From the Guardian:The Plaid Cymru leader, Adam Price, has called on the Welsh government to act at once to ban people from travelling from high infection areas in England into Wales.
Welsh ministers have said they are disappointed that Boris Johnson has not stopped people travelling out of Covid-19 hotspots and are considering their next steps. Price said:
I would be more than disappointed, I’m livid at the attitude of the prime minister.
Previously Mark Drakeford [the Welsh first minister] has said there was not any evidence of this kind of infection from people travelling from over the border.
Now, we heard from health minister Vaughan Gething for the first time that there is actual evidence that has been identified of transmission that has happened as a result of people coming from high infection areas of England into Wales.
We’re beyond the point of ‘consideration’ – the Welsh government needs to act today.
Welsh ministers have said they are disappointed that Boris Johnson has not stopped people travelling out of Covid-19 hotspots and are considering their next steps. Price said:
I would be more than disappointed, I’m livid at the attitude of the prime minister.
Previously Mark Drakeford [the Welsh first minister] has said there was not any evidence of this kind of infection from people travelling from over the border.
Now, we heard from health minister Vaughan Gething for the first time that there is actual evidence that has been identified of transmission that has happened as a result of people coming from high infection areas of England into Wales.
We’re beyond the point of ‘consideration’ – the Welsh government needs to act today.
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To be replaced by the Level system for Scotland with effect from 2 November as detailed in posts 102
Scotland Local Lockdown
Updated 12 October 2020
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/279/contents
- In force since 14 October 2020
- Applies to all of Scotland
- Restrictions on certain business to stay closed, and others to have limited opening hours
- No gatherings in public places of more than 6 and no more than 2 households
- No gatherings in private dwellings unless outdoors, no more than 6, and no more than 2 households
- Face coverings mandatory on public transport, and mandatory in most indoor public spaces
- No restrictions on travel within Scotland or to/from Scotland from the rest of the UK
- No longer has effect whilst The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Additional Temporary Measures) (Scotland) Regulations 2020 is in force (see below)
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Additional Temporary Measures) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2.../contents/made
- In force since 6pm 9 October 2020
- Applies to all of Scotland with additional restrictions in the protected area
- Restrictions on certain business to stay closed, and others to have limited opening hours including different hours for indoors and outdoors
- Restrictions on certain business to stay closed, and others to have limited opening hours
- No gatherings in public places of more than 6 and no more than 2 households
- No gatherings in private dwellings unless outdoors, no more than 6, and no more than 2 households
- Face coverings mandatory on public transport, and mandatory in most indoor public spaces
Additional restrictions in the protected area
- In addition to above, closure of licensed premises
- Unlicensed premises may not allow alcohol consumption on site and have restricted opening hours
- No restrictions on travel within Scotland or to/from Scotland from the rest of the UK
- Protected area is the local government areas of:
City of Glasgow
Clackmannanshire
East Ayrshire
East Dunbartonshire
East Renfrewshire
East Lothian
Edinburgh City
Falkirk
Inverclyde
Midlothian
North Ayrshire
North Lanarkshire
Renfrewshire
South Ayrshire
South Lanarkshire
Stirling
West Dunbartonshire
West Lothian
Scotland Local Lockdown
Updated 12 October 2020
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/279/contents
- In force since 14 October 2020
- Applies to all of Scotland
- Restrictions on certain business to stay closed, and others to have limited opening hours
- No gatherings in public places of more than 6 and no more than 2 households
- No gatherings in private dwellings unless outdoors, no more than 6, and no more than 2 households
- Face coverings mandatory on public transport, and mandatory in most indoor public spaces
- No restrictions on travel within Scotland or to/from Scotland from the rest of the UK
- No longer has effect whilst The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Additional Temporary Measures) (Scotland) Regulations 2020 is in force (see below)
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Additional Temporary Measures) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2.../contents/made
- In force since 6pm 9 October 2020
- Applies to all of Scotland with additional restrictions in the protected area
- Restrictions on certain business to stay closed, and others to have limited opening hours including different hours for indoors and outdoors
- Restrictions on certain business to stay closed, and others to have limited opening hours
- No gatherings in public places of more than 6 and no more than 2 households
- No gatherings in private dwellings unless outdoors, no more than 6, and no more than 2 households
- Face coverings mandatory on public transport, and mandatory in most indoor public spaces
Additional restrictions in the protected area
- In addition to above, closure of licensed premises
- Unlicensed premises may not allow alcohol consumption on site and have restricted opening hours
- No restrictions on travel within Scotland or to/from Scotland from the rest of the UK
- Protected area is the local government areas of:
City of Glasgow
Clackmannanshire
East Ayrshire
East Dunbartonshire
East Renfrewshire
East Lothian
Edinburgh City
Falkirk
Inverclyde
Midlothian
North Ayrshire
North Lanarkshire
Renfrewshire
South Ayrshire
South Lanarkshire
Stirling
West Dunbartonshire
West Lothian
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To be replaced by the national lockdown for England with effect from 5 November as detailed in post 244
No areas have any restrictions on travel within or in/out of the specified areas.
England Local Lockdowns
Updated 29 October 2020
- In force from 14 October 2020
- Replaces the arrangements for local lockdowns detailed in post 13
Tier 1
- No social gatherings of more than 6 from separate households outdoors or indoors
- Linked households still allowed
- Some businesses close (nightclubs, discos, dance halls etc.)
- Restricted hours for some businesses (pubs, cinemas etc.)
Tier 2
- No gatherings indoors of 2 or more from separate households inside or outside the area
- No social gatherings of more than 6 outdoors
- Linked households still allowed
- Some businesses close (nightclubs, discos, dance halls etc.)
- Restricted hours for some businesses (pubs, cinemas etc.)
Tier 3
- No gatherings indoors of 2 or more from separate households inside or outside the area
- Social gatherings of more than 6 outdoors allowed in a few limited places (outdoor sports grounds, grounds of castles etc.)
- No gatherings indoors of 2 or more from separate households in any other outdoor spaces
- Linked households still allowed
- Restricted hours for some businesses (pubs, cinemas etc.) and may close if not serving a table meal with the alcohol
- Some businesses close (nightclubs, discos, dance halls etc.)
Statutory Instruments
Tier 1 - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID 19 Alert Leve) (Medium) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1103)
Tier 2 - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (High) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1104)
Tier 3 - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (Very High) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1105)
Tier 3 areas
Original list 14 October 2020
Liverpool City Region
Halton Borough Council
Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council
Liverpool City Council
Sefton Borough Council
St Helens Borough Council; and
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
Following added to Tier 3 from 17 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1131)
Lancashire
Blackpool Council
Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
Burnley Borough Council
Chorley Borough Council
Fylde Borough Council
Hyndburn Borough Council
Lancaster City Council
Pendle Borough Council
Preston City Council
Ribble Valley Borough Council
Rossendale Borough Council
South Ribble Borough Council
West Lancashire Borough Council
Wyre Borough Council
Following added to Tier 3 from 24 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1154)
Greater Manchester
Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council
Bury Metropolitan Borough Council
Manchester City Council
Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council
Rochdale Borough Council
Salford City Council
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council
Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council
Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council
Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council
South Yorkshire
Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council
Doncaster Council
Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Sheffield City Council
Following added to Tier 3 from 27 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1176)
Cheshire
Warrington Borough Council moved to Tier 3 as of 27 October
Following added to Tier 3 from 30 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1183)
Nottinghamshire
Ashfield District Council
Bassetlaw District Council
Broxtowe Borough Council
Gedling Borough Council
Mansfield District Council
Newark & Sherwood District Council
Nottingham City Council
Rushcliffe Borough Council
Tier 2 areas
Original list 14 October 2020
Cheshire
Cheshire East Council
Cheshire West and Chester Council
Warrington Borough Council moved to Tier 3 as of 27 October
Derbyshire
In the area of High Peak Borough Council, the following electoral areas (as defined by section 203(1) of the Representation of the People Act 1983) -
See update on 31 October, all other areas of HPBC now added
Dinting
Gamesley
Howard Town
Hadfield South
Hadfield North
Old Glossop
Padfield
Simmondley
St John’s
Tintwistle
Whitfield
Durham
Durham County Council
Greater Manchester moved to Tier 3 as of 24 October
Greater Manchester
Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council
Bury Metropolitan Borough Council
Manchester City Council
Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council
Rochdale Borough Council
Salford City Council
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council
Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council
Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council
Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council
Lancashire moved to Tier 3 as of 17 October
Lancashire
Blackpool Council
Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
Burnley Borough Council
Chorley Borough Council
Fylde Borough Council
Hyndburn Borough Council
Lancaster City Council
Pendle Borough Council
Preston City Council
Ribble Valley Borough Council
Rossendale Borough Council
South Ribble Borough Council
West Lancashire Borough Council
Wyre Borough Council
Leicestershire
Leicester City Council
Oadby and Wigston Borough Council
Northumberland
Northumberland County Council
Nottinghamshire moved to Tier 3 as of 30 October
Nottinghamshire
Ashfield District Council
Bassetlaw District Council
Broxtowe Borough Council
Gedling Borough Council
Mansfield District Council
Newark & Sherwood District Council
Nottingham City Council
Rushcliffe Borough Council
South Yorkshire moved to Tier 3 as of 24 October
South Yorkshire
Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council
Doncaster Council
Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Sheffield City Council
Tees Valley
Darlington Borough Council
Hartlepool Borough Council
Middlesbrough Borough Council
Redcar and Cleveland Borough Council
Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council
Tyne and Wear
Gateshead Council
Newcastle City Council
North Tyneside Council
South Tyneside Council
Sunderland City Council
West Midlands
Birmingham City Council
Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council
Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council
City of Wolverhampton Council
Walsall Council
West Yorkshire
City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council
Calderdale Metropolitan Borough Council
Kirklees Metropolitan Council
Leeds City Council
Wakefield Council
Following added to Tier 2 from 17 October 2020 (all previously Tier 1) (SI 2020/1128)
Cumbria
Barrow-in-Furness Borough Council
Derbyshire
Chesterfield Borough Council
Erewash Borough Council
North East Derbyshire District Council
Essex
Basildon Council
Braintree District Council
Brentwood Borough Council
Castle Point Borough Council
Chelmsford City Council
Colchester Borough Council
Epping Forest District Council
Harlow Council
Maldon District Council
Rochford District Council
Tendring District Council
Uttlesford District Council
Greater London
The Common Council of the City of London
Barking and Dagenham Borough Council
Barnet Borough Council
Bexley Borough Council
Brent Borough Council
Bromley Borough Council
Camden Borough Council
Croydon Borough Council
Ealing Borough Council
Enfield Borough Council
Greenwich Borough Council
Hackney Borough Council
Hammersmith and Fulham Borough Council
Haringey Borough Council
Harrow Borough Council
Havering Borough Council
Hillingdon Borough Council
Hounslow Borough Council
Islington Borough Council
Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council
Kingston upon Thames Borough Council
Lambeth Borough Council
Lewisham Borough Council
Merton Borough Council
Newham Borough Council
Redbridge Borough Council
Richmond upon Thames Borough Council
Southwark Borough Council
Sutton Borough Council
Tower Hamlets Borough Council
Waltham Forest Borough Council
Wandsworth Borough Council
Westminster City Council
North Yorkshire
City of York Council
Surrey
Elmbridge Borough Council
Following added to Tier 2 from 24 October 2020 (all previously Tier 1) (SI 2020/1154)
Berkshire
Slough Borough Council
Staffordshire
Stoke-on-Trent City Council
West Midlands
Coventry City Council
Following added to Tier 2 from 31 October 2020 (all previously Tier 1) (SI 2020/1189 & SI 2020/1192)
Bedfordshire
Luton Borough Council
Cumbria
Carlisle City Council
Derbyshire
Amber Valley Borough Council
Bolsover District Council
Derby City Council
Derbyshire Dales District Council
High Peak Borough Council (previously it was only a subset of areas in the borough which were in Tier 2, now it will be all of HPBC)
South Derbyshire District Council
East Riding of Yorkshire
East Riding of Yorkshire Council
Hull City Council
Leicestershire
Charnwood Borough Council
Lincolnshire
North East Lincolnshire Council
North Lincolnshire Council
Oxfordshire
Oxford City Council
Shropshire
Telford and Wrekin Council
Staffordshire
Cannock Chase District Council
East Staffordshire Borough Council
Lichfield District Council
Newcastle-under-Lyme Borough Council
South Staffordshire District Council
Stafford Borough Council
Staffordshire Moorlands District Council
Tamworth Borough Council
West Midlands
Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council
Tier 1 areas
All other areas in England not named in Tier 2 or 3
No areas have any restrictions on travel within or in/out of the specified areas.
England Local Lockdowns
Updated 29 October 2020
- In force from 14 October 2020
- Replaces the arrangements for local lockdowns detailed in post 13
Tier 1
- No social gatherings of more than 6 from separate households outdoors or indoors
- Linked households still allowed
- Some businesses close (nightclubs, discos, dance halls etc.)
- Restricted hours for some businesses (pubs, cinemas etc.)
Tier 2
- No gatherings indoors of 2 or more from separate households inside or outside the area
- No social gatherings of more than 6 outdoors
- Linked households still allowed
- Some businesses close (nightclubs, discos, dance halls etc.)
- Restricted hours for some businesses (pubs, cinemas etc.)
Tier 3
- No gatherings indoors of 2 or more from separate households inside or outside the area
- Social gatherings of more than 6 outdoors allowed in a few limited places (outdoor sports grounds, grounds of castles etc.)
- No gatherings indoors of 2 or more from separate households in any other outdoor spaces
- Linked households still allowed
- Restricted hours for some businesses (pubs, cinemas etc.) and may close if not serving a table meal with the alcohol
- Some businesses close (nightclubs, discos, dance halls etc.)
Statutory Instruments
Tier 1 - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID 19 Alert Leve) (Medium) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1103)
Tier 2 - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (High) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1104)
Tier 3 - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (Very High) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1105)
Tier 3 areas
Original list 14 October 2020
Liverpool City Region
Halton Borough Council
Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council
Liverpool City Council
Sefton Borough Council
St Helens Borough Council; and
Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council
Following added to Tier 3 from 17 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1131)
Lancashire
Blackpool Council
Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
Burnley Borough Council
Chorley Borough Council
Fylde Borough Council
Hyndburn Borough Council
Lancaster City Council
Pendle Borough Council
Preston City Council
Ribble Valley Borough Council
Rossendale Borough Council
South Ribble Borough Council
West Lancashire Borough Council
Wyre Borough Council
Following added to Tier 3 from 24 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1154)
Greater Manchester
Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council
Bury Metropolitan Borough Council
Manchester City Council
Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council
Rochdale Borough Council
Salford City Council
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council
Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council
Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council
Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council
South Yorkshire
Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council
Doncaster Council
Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Sheffield City Council
Following added to Tier 3 from 27 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1176)
Cheshire
Warrington Borough Council moved to Tier 3 as of 27 October
Following added to Tier 3 from 30 October 2020 (previously Tier 2) (SI 2020/1183)
Nottinghamshire
Ashfield District Council
Bassetlaw District Council
Broxtowe Borough Council
Gedling Borough Council
Mansfield District Council
Newark & Sherwood District Council
Nottingham City Council
Rushcliffe Borough Council
Tier 2 areas
Original list 14 October 2020
Cheshire
Cheshire East Council
Cheshire West and Chester Council
Derbyshire
In the area of High Peak Borough Council, the following electoral areas (as defined by section 203(1) of the Representation of the People Act 1983) -
See update on 31 October, all other areas of HPBC now added
Dinting
Gamesley
Howard Town
Hadfield South
Hadfield North
Old Glossop
Padfield
Simmondley
St John’s
Tintwistle
Whitfield
Durham
Durham County Council
Greater Manchester moved to Tier 3 as of 24 October
Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council
Bury Metropolitan Borough Council
Manchester City Council
Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council
Rochdale Borough Council
Salford City Council
Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council
Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council
Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council
Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council
Lancashire moved to Tier 3 as of 17 October
Blackpool Council
Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
Burnley Borough Council
Chorley Borough Council
Fylde Borough Council
Hyndburn Borough Council
Lancaster City Council
Pendle Borough Council
Preston City Council
Ribble Valley Borough Council
Rossendale Borough Council
South Ribble Borough Council
West Lancashire Borough Council
Wyre Borough Council
Leicestershire
Leicester City Council
Oadby and Wigston Borough Council
Northumberland
Northumberland County Council
Nottinghamshire moved to Tier 3 as of 30 October
Ashfield District Council
Bassetlaw District Council
Broxtowe Borough Council
Gedling Borough Council
Mansfield District Council
Newark & Sherwood District Council
Nottingham City Council
Rushcliffe Borough Council
South Yorkshire moved to Tier 3 as of 24 October
Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council
Doncaster Council
Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Sheffield City Council
Tees Valley
Darlington Borough Council
Hartlepool Borough Council
Middlesbrough Borough Council
Redcar and Cleveland Borough Council
Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council
Tyne and Wear
Gateshead Council
Newcastle City Council
North Tyneside Council
South Tyneside Council
Sunderland City Council
West Midlands
Birmingham City Council
Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council
Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council
City of Wolverhampton Council
Walsall Council
West Yorkshire
City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council
Calderdale Metropolitan Borough Council
Kirklees Metropolitan Council
Leeds City Council
Wakefield Council
Following added to Tier 2 from 17 October 2020 (all previously Tier 1) (SI 2020/1128)
Cumbria
Barrow-in-Furness Borough Council
Derbyshire
Chesterfield Borough Council
Erewash Borough Council
North East Derbyshire District Council
Essex
Basildon Council
Braintree District Council
Brentwood Borough Council
Castle Point Borough Council
Chelmsford City Council
Colchester Borough Council
Epping Forest District Council
Harlow Council
Maldon District Council
Rochford District Council
Tendring District Council
Uttlesford District Council
Greater London
The Common Council of the City of London
Barking and Dagenham Borough Council
Barnet Borough Council
Bexley Borough Council
Brent Borough Council
Bromley Borough Council
Camden Borough Council
Croydon Borough Council
Ealing Borough Council
Enfield Borough Council
Greenwich Borough Council
Hackney Borough Council
Hammersmith and Fulham Borough Council
Haringey Borough Council
Harrow Borough Council
Havering Borough Council
Hillingdon Borough Council
Hounslow Borough Council
Islington Borough Council
Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council
Kingston upon Thames Borough Council
Lambeth Borough Council
Lewisham Borough Council
Merton Borough Council
Newham Borough Council
Redbridge Borough Council
Richmond upon Thames Borough Council
Southwark Borough Council
Sutton Borough Council
Tower Hamlets Borough Council
Waltham Forest Borough Council
Wandsworth Borough Council
Westminster City Council
North Yorkshire
City of York Council
Surrey
Elmbridge Borough Council
Following added to Tier 2 from 24 October 2020 (all previously Tier 1) (SI 2020/1154)
Berkshire
Slough Borough Council
Staffordshire
Stoke-on-Trent City Council
West Midlands
Coventry City Council
Following added to Tier 2 from 31 October 2020 (all previously Tier 1) (SI 2020/1189 & SI 2020/1192)
Bedfordshire
Luton Borough Council
Cumbria
Carlisle City Council
Derbyshire
Amber Valley Borough Council
Bolsover District Council
Derby City Council
Derbyshire Dales District Council
High Peak Borough Council (previously it was only a subset of areas in the borough which were in Tier 2, now it will be all of HPBC)
South Derbyshire District Council
East Riding of Yorkshire
East Riding of Yorkshire Council
Hull City Council
Leicestershire
Charnwood Borough Council
Lincolnshire
North East Lincolnshire Council
North Lincolnshire Council
Oxfordshire
Oxford City Council
Shropshire
Telford and Wrekin Council
Staffordshire
Cannock Chase District Council
East Staffordshire Borough Council
Lichfield District Council
Newcastle-under-Lyme Borough Council
South Staffordshire District Council
Stafford Borough Council
Staffordshire Moorlands District Council
Tamworth Borough Council
West Midlands
Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council
Tier 1 areas
All other areas in England not named in Tier 2 or 3
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To be honest, I find it a bit confusing to have incoming travel restrictions in the same thread as local lockdowns but since that's where this is being moved: the Welsh First Minister Mr Drakeford has now said that he is writing to Mr Johnson to give him "one last opportunity" to do the right thing and modify English lockdown rules so that they involve not allowing people from high risk area to visit low risk areas.
He explained that he does not want this to be a border issue [I read this as referring to the interpretation made by many in England of the mention by Ms Sturgeon of the possibility Scotland might do the same a couple of months ago if some English areas ended up being far more affected than Scotland] the letter will restate what powers Wales has and that if Westminster does not do the right thing, they will use those powers and effectively ban people from high infection areas in England from entering Wales. Quote from his interview to the BBC last night:"UK ministers were asking me today for the evidence that tells you that if people come from high areas to low areas, that spreads the virus. We’ve got that evidence, we’ll share that with the Prime Minister.
And I will set out in my letter the powers we have and, if he doesn’t act then, we will use them. But I want to offer him one final opportunity to do the right thing. Because that would be fair to people in Wales and people across our border.
I don’t want it to be a border issue. People in England in high incidence areas should not be going to low incidence areas in England, either."
So in practice, either the lockdown conditions change and Government effectively forbids people in, say, Merseyside, from visiting other regions, or the Welsh Government will take its own measures, and ban people from, say, English tier 2 and tier 3 areas from entering Wales (either as blanket ban or more likely with some exemptions for essential travel)
He explained that he does not want this to be a border issue [I read this as referring to the interpretation made by many in England of the mention by Ms Sturgeon of the possibility Scotland might do the same a couple of months ago if some English areas ended up being far more affected than Scotland] the letter will restate what powers Wales has and that if Westminster does not do the right thing, they will use those powers and effectively ban people from high infection areas in England from entering Wales. Quote from his interview to the BBC last night:"UK ministers were asking me today for the evidence that tells you that if people come from high areas to low areas, that spreads the virus. We’ve got that evidence, we’ll share that with the Prime Minister.
And I will set out in my letter the powers we have and, if he doesn’t act then, we will use them. But I want to offer him one final opportunity to do the right thing. Because that would be fair to people in Wales and people across our border.
I don’t want it to be a border issue. People in England in high incidence areas should not be going to low incidence areas in England, either."
So in practice, either the lockdown conditions change and Government effectively forbids people in, say, Merseyside, from visiting other regions, or the Welsh Government will take its own measures, and ban people from, say, English tier 2 and tier 3 areas from entering Wales (either as blanket ban or more likely with some exemptions for essential travel)
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Looks like NI is taking a different approach:
https://www.executiveoffice-ni.gov.u...-curb-covid-19
https://www.executiveoffice-ni.gov.u...-curb-covid-19
In addition to current household restrictions, the following measures will come into regulatory effect on Friday 16th October and will be in place for a period of four weeks:
- Bubbling to be limited to a maximum of 10 people from two households;
- No overnight stays in a private home unless in a bubble;
- Closure of the hospitality sector apart from deliveries and takeaways for food, with the existing closing time of 11.00pm remaining.
- Other takeaway premises will be brought in line with hospitality with a closing time of 11.00pm;
- Close contact services such as hairdressers and beauticians are not permitted to open, apart from those relating to the continuation of essential health interventions and therapeutics.
- No indoor sport of any kind or organised contact sport involving household mixing other than at elite level;
- No mass events involving more than 15 people (except for allowed outdoor sporting events where the relevant number for that will continue to apply);
- Gyms may remain open but for individual training only with local enforcement in place;
- Funerals to be limited to 25 people with no pre- or post-funeral gatherings;
- Off licenses and supermarkets will not sell alcohol after 8.00pm;
- Wedding ceremonies and civil partnerships to be limited to 25 people with no receptions. This will be implemented on Monday 19 October. Venues providing the post-ceremony or partnership celebration this weekend may remain open for this purpose but may not provide other services for people who are not part of the wedding or partnership party and this will be limited to 25;
- Work from home unless unable to do so;
- Universities and further education to deliver distance learning to the maximum extent possible with only essential face to face learning where that is a necessary and unavoidable part of the course;
- No unnecessary travel should be undertaken.
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In the last week, 344 cases in Scotland travelled outwith Scotland. Of those 252 travelled within the UK. And of those, 92 were in Blackpool.
Nicola Sturgeon speaking strongly against travel to England tier 3 locations and asking tier 3 not to come to Scotland.
NS: "The First Minister of Wales is seeking agreement between the four UK nations on travel restrictions where necessary from high prevalence locations in one UK nation to lower prevalence areas in others."
"I want to be clear today that I back the calls from the First Minister of Wales and I'll be writing to the Prime Minister today to seek urgent talks on that issue."
"I also support the First Minister of Wales' call for another COBRA meeting in early course to discuss collectively between the four nations what further steps we can all take at this stage to suppress the virus."
Nicola Sturgeon speaking strongly against travel to England tier 3 locations and asking tier 3 not to come to Scotland.
NS: "The First Minister of Wales is seeking agreement between the four UK nations on travel restrictions where necessary from high prevalence locations in one UK nation to lower prevalence areas in others."
"I want to be clear today that I back the calls from the First Minister of Wales and I'll be writing to the Prime Minister today to seek urgent talks on that issue."
"I also support the First Minister of Wales' call for another COBRA meeting in early course to discuss collectively between the four nations what further steps we can all take at this stage to suppress the virus."
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surely evidence of that nature is what drove the traffic-light restrictions on the UK's international borders.
The political awkwardness, of course, is implementing and policing such a ban between UK nations and regions. Advice is one thing, but introducing legal restrictions that cannot or will not be enforced further erodes credibility and confidence.
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It would seem from the briefing this morning a substantial number of cases in Scotland actually came from Scots travelling to Blackpool and returning, not people from England visiting Scotland.
Perhaps Scotland should therefore require returnees to self isolate if they have been to Tier 2/3 areas?
Perhaps Scotland should therefore require returnees to self isolate if they have been to Tier 2/3 areas?
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surely evidence of that nature is what drove the traffic-light restrictions on the UK's international borders.
The political awkwardness, of course, is implementing and policing such a ban between UK nations and regions. Advice is one thing, but introducing legal restrictions that cannot or will not be enforced further erodes credibility and confidence.
The political awkwardness, of course, is implementing and policing such a ban between UK nations and regions. Advice is one thing, but introducing legal restrictions that cannot or will not be enforced further erodes credibility and confidence.
I think that is why Mr Drakeford says that he first wanted to give Mr Johnson one last chance to find an approach which will protect county B, without which he will unilaterally use his powers to restrict entries which would likely be perceived as a "war of the nations".
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The Welsh Government has now moved to the next step and announced that they will ban visitors from highly infected English areas from entering Wales. The First Minister announced that the measures should be in place by the end of the week. The position seems to be supported by members of the Welsh Assembly from all parties except the Conservative which will likely give it some legitimacy (I have not seen specific public opinion data on how the Welsh population feels about it).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ots-in-england
Earlier today, Ms Sturgeon suggested that she fully supported Mr Drakeford's concerns and approach and if I were to guess, I would imagine that Scotland is now very likely to take a similar measure.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ots-in-england
Earlier today, Ms Sturgeon suggested that she fully supported Mr Drakeford's concerns and approach and if I were to guess, I would imagine that Scotland is now very likely to take a similar measure.