KARFA

It is. Tiers 1-3 never had any restrictions on leaving home or staying away from home. You can check the links in the wiki, this was all documented at the time by me on this thread.

Those links refer to guidelines not the law.

EDIT: I think the confusion here is between two restrictions:
1. A restriction on you that you could not stay away from home overnight, this was never in the tier system but we did have this during June 2020. this would prevent you staying away from home overnight which includes staying away within the UK or outside,
2. A restriction on hotels taking guests for leisure/holiday stays, we did have this in tiers 3 & 4 (apologies I may have just said tier 4 earlier) and it was the restriction on the hotels not on the individual.

Based on what has been reported it seems from 29 March stay at home will be revoked, but instead we will have 1 just as happened last year. I think staying away from home, both within the UK or abroad is unlikely until April at the earliest, i.e. we will have 1 for at least 4-5 weeks before it is relaxed further.

HB7

I think for those of us who hope to travel overseas in May/June, we are most likely out of luck. The government has no interest in foreign travel at the moment, although, this is to a degree due to the fact that currently UK travellers are banned from a lot of countries as well.

We should wait and see what happens tonight. I personally think the UK government will not discuss foreign travel and this can be viewed as a good thing because that would mean things could change quickly.

If, however, staycations and travel within the UK are in the roadmap and as being allowed in June - as some papers are saying, we can forget any foreign travel before Sept/October.

corporate-wage-slave

Thankfully I have no presonal experience of this, but many of those I'm working with in the vaccination centre have worked in intensive care units at places like the RVI and other local hospitals. The stories they give, of people in their 40s struggling to breathe hour after hour, are sobering. These patients do so on their own, their partners and children sit at home by the telephone in absolute terror. Do you want to join them? I don't, I have no underlying conditions (OK, a bit chunky) but I've had the vaccine. I am doing my absolute damnest to get you, me and everyone else flying again, as soon as possible. I'm only on here today since we don't have the vaccine supply for me to be working. Those nurses from Intensive Care are vaccinating to stop others from going through the same thing, even if it means they are working 80 hours a week. Now what can you do to help us get through the worse crisis the UK has known since World War II? Four things: get the jab, don't get the disease, plan for the future, and wait serenely a few more months. Is that an unreasonable request? The sooner you wake up to that, the sooner you will get your life back.

paulaf

I can't wait serenely when I find something illogical so it is the only way I can protest.

KARFA

Protesting by metaphorically shooting yourself in the foot is probably not helpful to you or anyone else. You are not the only one thoroughly p***ed off at the situation and not enjoying it, but if I were offered the vaccine this afternoon I would be off like a shot to take it.

alex67500

That's the point. My first port of call would be visits just on the other side of the channel to see friends and family. But being a UK resident, even with a French passport, I'm not welcome without an essential reason. So we should all take a deep breath and stop feeling like we're in prison. We can't travel because we're not welcome anywhere. BJ knows this so there's no point focusing on the topic. Get the vaccines out, show that the UK is leading and that it's working, then take it from there.

As for the person suggesting that they won't get the vaccine until there's a chance of travel... Well it was an assertive response by CWS' standards, but still way too nice in my opinion.

KSVVZ2015

So I think I understand - while all the newspapers reported a no overnight stay away from home in Tier 3 and certainly in Tier 4, that wasn't backed up by law? It was just guidance? Was the Tier 4 international travel ban also just guidance?

What I think the big questions for post-March 29 (though admittedly it could change again in after we migrate to overnight stays like self-catered holiday homes being allowed at least in England) are:

(1) Whether there is a new SI that basically makes it illegal to travel internationally commensurate with the current restrictions (which prohibit it based on the stay at home order)?
(2) If yes, whether that is actually enforced once the stay-at-home order is lifted, particularly at departure as is currently reported at least on a sporadic basis? I'm much likely to be discouraged from traveling on holiday if I risk being turned back by police at security (and presumably losing a bunch of money on non-refundable reservations) vs. just paying a fine if a UKBF agent isn't happy with me on return.
(3) If no, and its just no overnight order, is that being enforced in an airport? E.g., would I have to show proof of a same day return ticket if I wasn't able to prove I was traveling under an acceptable reason for an overnight stay?

Scots_Al

The team at Legislation.gov.uk is usually pretty good at marking up regs and Acts with amends - or at the very least showing (at the top of the page) if there are outstanding amends still to be marked up. I guess it wouldn�t be a surprise if they were running behind give the volume of leg in this area, as well as Brexit deficiency fixes, though (I�m not following the leg in this area so not sure how up to date they are).

KARFA

1) maybe, as noted Scotland have done this already so it is easily done if that is what is wanted.
2) red herring, are we only following laws which are enforced now? if the only thing dissuading you is the risk of being stopped then that speaks to your own attitude I am afraid (and is frankly an insult to all of us who are following the restrictions for nearly a year without deciding what we can get away with based on expected enforcement).
3) same as 2.

paulaf

It's out of utter frustration and being selfish for once.

KARFA

Well, I fully understand the frustration you are feeling.

This is very tough, but I am sure you know deep down that logically being selfish isn't going to get you anywhere useful.

HB7

The latest from the independent and Simon Calder now is that foreign travel is now going to be allowed till at least August according to leaks from government:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1805521.html

This is ridiculous if that's the case.

KSVVZ2015

Thanks and that all makes sense. On (2) and (3), there is a limit here. While I try and respect the law, where I feel fundamental freedoms are being unjustly taken away, I don't necessarily think that considering enforcement risk is unreasonable. If the direction of travel is as we see it yet the UK continues to prohibit international travel well into the summer, then enforcement risk is absolutely going to factor into our non-essential travel decisions. If an end of the ban is going to come by May or sooner, then we'll probably just respect that.

I respect that people have different opinions. I ask that they also respect mine.

fransknorge

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...856328193.html

Internaut

It is just over a year since I arrived back in the UK from my last holiday in the Canaries. I think I can wait a few more months.

Today�s news sounds like worse case planning though once again the government risks the same mistake with education*. I�d rather this, with the vague possibility of changing plans for the better, than than the pre Christmas boosterism.

* Though they may be factoring in suicide rates among older teenagers which is, quite frankly, terrifying.