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Old Jun 4, 15, 10:14 pm
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Manchester Connection Question

Did a search but, the threads were all quite old and frankly oriented towards BM/UA, BM/CO, BM/US AA/BA and AA/EY connections. Obviously BMI is no longer around and CO is part of UA so I assume the information is out of date and likely not relevant at this point.

I am arriving MAN on VS from ATL on a Sunday AM at 8:20am and departing on KL to AMS at 11:15am. In Business class on both flights

Then returning on Thursday from AMS to MAN on KL arriving at 8:20am and departing on VS to ATL at 10:35am again in business class.

All flights are on a single ticket issued by Delta.

The questions.. How difficult a connection? It appears that VS operated to/from T3 and KL to/from T2 and that they are quite far apart.

Reading the threads it also appears flight connections desk is not staffed adequately and the bus between T1/2 an T3 is "unreliable" as one poster put it.

I am hoping this is not too much of a problem and that I have some time to enjoy the lounge between flights.

Any feedback is appreciated.
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Old Jun 5, 15, 10:17 am
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It's not that difficult at all and you've plenty of time to get between terminals. MAN is not that big and although T2 is separate from T1 and T3, it isn't that far apart and there is a walkway with travelators which takes you there.

More information here: http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/a...ort-transfers/


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Old Jun 5, 15, 3:16 pm
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Originally Posted by toothy View Post
It's not that difficult at all and you've plenty of time to get between terminals. MAN is not that big and although T2 is separate from T1 and T3, it isn't that far apart and there is a walkway with travelators which takes you there.

More information here: http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/a...ort-transfers/


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No that easy of you want to stay airside. You're at the mercy of the transfer desks and staff and it can be a little hit or miss.

That said, I wouldn't be rushing to spend time in the T3 lounge. Not done the VS lounge in T2.
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Old Jun 6, 15, 9:06 am
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Just FYI, you have the terminals the wrong way round. VS is T2, KL is T3.

There is a separate lounge for the ATL flight at T2 (Escape Too).

T3 is very small, and a bit of a zoo in the mornings.
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Old Jun 7, 15, 10:14 pm
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA View Post
Just FYI, you have the terminals the wrong way round. VS is T2, KL is T3.

There is a separate lounge for the ATL flight at T2 (Escape Too).

T3 is very small, and a bit of a zoo in the mornings.
Can you visit the lounge in T2 on arrival vs. T3?
If Yes how much time would you allow to get from the lounge and make the KLM departure?

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Old Jun 8, 15, 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by acvitale View Post
Can you visit the lounge in T2 on arrival vs. T3?
If Yes how much time would you allow to get from the lounge and make the KLM departure?

Many thanks
No - arrivals and departures are separated. You will connect airside from T2 to T3 and can use the lounge there. It's OK, if a little small and shared with a number of airlines and paid access.

Follow the flight connections signs when you land in T2. You will skip immigration and customs and should be bussed into T3. (It's a journey I never take as MAN is home to me)
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Old Jun 8, 15, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by MAN Pax View Post
No - arrivals and departures are separated. You will connect airside from T2 to T3 and can use the lounge there. It's OK, if a little small and shared with a number of airlines and paid access.

Follow the flight connections signs when you land in T2. You will skip immigration and customs and should be bussed into T3. (It's a journey I never take as MAN is home to me)
Actually I think you have to talk to a staff member if you want to stay airside!

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/a...ort-transfers/
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Actually I think you have to talk to a staff member if you want to stay airside!

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/a...ort-transfers/
Err, no. Just follow the signs after landing, from your link above:
Transferring from an international flight to an international flight

On disembarking from the aircraft follow the signs for "Flight Transfer". If you are arriving at Terminal 1 proceed on foot to the Flight Transfer Centre. If you are arriving at Terminal 2 or Terminal 3 you will need to take the transfer bus over to the Flight Transfer Centre.

Once at the Flight Transfer Centre you will be required to go through security checks. Once you have cleared these controls, follow the signs to the terminal of departure. Passengers for Terminal 3 international flights will be escorted by a member of MA Security staff into to Terminal 3 Departure Lounge. If you require boarding cards they will be issued either at the Flight Transfer Centre or at the gate by your airline's handling agent.
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Old Jun 8, 15, 4:38 pm
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Err, no. Just follow the signs after landing, from your link above:
Transferring from an international flight to an international flight

On disembarking from the aircraft follow the signs for "Flight Transfer". If you are arriving at Terminal 1 proceed on foot to the Flight Transfer Centre. If you are arriving at Terminal 2 or Terminal 3 you will need to take the transfer bus over to the Flight Transfer Centre.

Once at the Flight Transfer Centre you will be required to go through security checks. Once you have cleared these controls, follow the signs to the terminal of departure. Passengers for Terminal 3 international flights will be escorted by a member of MA Security staff into to Terminal 3 Departure Lounge. If you require boarding cards they will be issued either at the Flight Transfer Centre or at the gate by your airline's handling agent.
Err, let's look more closely at the last paragraph.
Transferring from an international flight to an international flight

On disembarking from the aircraft follow the signs for "Flight Transfer". If you are arriving at Terminal 1 proceed on foot to the Flight Transfer Centre. If you are arriving at Terminal 2 or Terminal 3 you will need to take the transfer bus over to the Flight Transfer Centre.

Once at the Flight Transfer Centre you will be required to go through security checks. Once you have cleared these controls, follow the signs to the terminal of departure. Passengers for Terminal 3 international flights will be escorted by a member of MA Security staff into to Terminal 3 Departure Lounge. If you require boarding cards they will be issued either at the Flight Transfer Centre or at the gate by your airline's handling agent.
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Old Jun 9, 15, 3:22 am
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I think it's fair to say not many FTers have actually done this, unfortunately. I'd be interested to hear how smooth it is, so please let us know how it goes.

Incidentally is this an award ticket? It doesn't seem like a standard routing offered on revenue fares.
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Old Jun 9, 15, 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
Err, let's look more closely at the last paragraph.
Transferring from an international flight to an international flight

On disembarking from the aircraft follow the signs for "Flight Transfer". If you are arriving at Terminal 1 proceed on foot to the Flight Transfer Centre. If you are arriving at Terminal 2 or Terminal 3 you will need to take the transfer bus over to the Flight Transfer Centre.

Once at the Flight Transfer Centre you will be required to go through security checks. Once you have cleared these controls, follow the signs to the terminal of departure. Passengers for Terminal 3 international flights will be escorted by a member of MA Security staff into to Terminal 3 Departure Lounge. If you require boarding cards they will be issued either at the Flight Transfer Centre or at the gate by your airline's handling agent.

To be clear, you do not need to:

Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
have to talk to a staff member if you want to stay airside!
You follow the connections path. If you have an onward international connection from T3 you will be accompanied airside as it is mixed Domestic/International terminal and there were "loopholes" that allowed non-landed passengers to escape to the UK. No need for pleading or special consideration - just follow the route and the airport staff will get you to the right place.

The whole point of connections is to avoid going landside where possible and avoiding immigration.
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Old Jun 9, 15, 6:41 am
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I am doing this on Sunday so I will let you know how it goes.

Yes it is an award ticket. (Delta stock 006) was 120K miles roundtrip in business class (G/O inventory) vs. 210-385K on any other routing roundtrip in business class. (In fact it was lower then some of the Y class on DL which was up to 200K roundtrip). Might have been my best use of a devalued Skypeso in years.
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Note that I have read of passengers doing MAN-MAN international connections departing T3 being held in a room until shortly before their flight departs to ensure they don't exit the terminal. I have no idea whether this is still a thing.
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Note that I have read of passengers doing MAN-MAN international connections departing T3 being held in a room until shortly before their flight departs to ensure they don't exit the terminal. I have no idea whether this is still a thing.
I think they have now closed the Gate 18 "loophole" so we'll have to wait and see. No doubt acvitale can let us know.
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A quick update on the Manchester transfer. VS 109 arrived early and there were approximately 25-30 passengers who were transferring to KL1082. It seems that everyone was booked via Delta tickets on award seats due to the low roundtrip miles required compared to other flight options (60K Y class and 120K in J class)

Long story short. Manchester is NOT a good transfer airport. It took over an hour to clear security and get back to the terminal after arriving at the transfer center on the bus from T2!

The details....

Deplaned and followed signs to flight transfer. In T2 took elevator to lower level and waited for the bus. Bus arrived quickly and many passengers transferred off the VS flight headed to AMS on KL. (In fact ALL VS Transfer pax were headed to AMS on KL!)

On arrival to the flight transfer area under gate 1 area the madness began.

Security screening was conducted by 2 security officers and 5 contractors. It was ridiculously slow. Entered the line at 07:54am. I did not get thru the security line until 08:32am (There were only the 25-30 pax as mentioned and I was the 11th in line.!) (so basically it was taking on average three and a half minutes per passenger to x ray the bags and get thru the metal detector. (It was worse for the folks behind me)

Once thru security the insanity continues. They need to walk you from the transfer area to the gate area (apparently the gate 18 issue still exists.). This would seem simple but, the only security guard who can walk you there operates the X ray machine and he was occupied. I waited from 8:32a until 09:07. Yes over a half hour! There was a family travelling with small children and they needed to use a bathroom (WC) sadly.... None located in the holding area. The staff was absolutely unhelpful as I watched the drama unfold.

Eventually made it to the Escape lounge in T3 and from here I write this post. It is a sad and almost pathetic lounge. Not impressed.

Overall, Transfers between T2 to T3 are NOT recommended. Make sure you use the bathroom (WC) prior to attempting it. And do NOT book anything close to a tight connection. I would NOT feel comfortable attempting this with anything less then a 2.5 hr connection.

It would have been MUCH FASTER to exit thru customs and immigration and then proceed to the correct terminal and reclear the normal security check point without the hassle.

I was NOT impressed with Manchester airport. We will see how it goes the other way coming back next Thursday but, honestly will probably just exit and reclear as I would NOT want to experience the Flight Transfer desk in Manchester.

A final note and warning. The flight transfer desks are UNSTAFFED. If you do not have a boarding pass or lose it you must call a number on a TV screen and wait for the staff before clearing security. Once family needed the BPs and it added an easy additional 30 mins to the experience and they did NOT make their connection.

Staff does NOT like the mobile phone boarding passes and wants to see paper airline issued BPs not the home print versions. So make sure you stop at your airline counter and get them (and keep them) until thru this fiasco of an experience.

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