London: Oyster and Contactless Card FAQ
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#61
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Indeed – unless you have a need to go outside zones 1-4 on your travels within London, you're going to be better served with a London Terminals ticket and your Oyster card.
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Oyster vs TravelCard under new fare structure
If you don't mind, a question, please.
We will be arriving in London on a Wednesday after 9:30 and departing via the tube to London on the following Tuesday. Previously I had purchased the Oyster card and loaded it with a 7 day TravelCard (and round trip LHR-Central London), which at the time made sense.
Given the new fare structure, I wonder. We only use the tube (or bus) a couple of times each day, and always within Zone 1. Rarely if ever before 9:30.
Under those circumstances, it seems as if I should just go with the Oyster card's daily cap and not load the TravelCard? Or am I missing some nuance? Simply confused here.
Many thanks.
We will be arriving in London on a Wednesday after 9:30 and departing via the tube to London on the following Tuesday. Previously I had purchased the Oyster card and loaded it with a 7 day TravelCard (and round trip LHR-Central London), which at the time made sense.
Given the new fare structure, I wonder. We only use the tube (or bus) a couple of times each day, and always within Zone 1. Rarely if ever before 9:30.
Under those circumstances, it seems as if I should just go with the Oyster card's daily cap and not load the TravelCard? Or am I missing some nuance? Simply confused here.
Many thanks.
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The weekly zone 1-2 cap is £32.10 but applies on contactless Monday to Sunday. Where as on an Oyster Card the same cap on Oyster but you can start it any day you like but you need to pay for it up front.
The daily cap is £6.40 so you need to hit that cap at least 6 days out of the 7 to reach the £32.10 required spend, you won't do this before the Monday when it resets. Due to the lower daily capping you will hit the daily cap after 3 single journeys in zone 1 at £2.30 each either peak or off peak.
You need to consider exchange rates / commission charges if you are using a foreign card, you will get one charge per day appear on your statement rather than one charge per journey against the price of the Oyster card (assuming you don't have one already) and the convenience option.
The advantage of contactless is that you don't have to worry about paying the 7 day travel card unless you hit cap, however, if you do hit the cap then you will probably be paying more as it will reset on the Monday morning.
I'd do the sums and weigh it up against the inconvenience of buying and topping up an Oyster card. I think contactless may work out more expensive if you hit the cap every day, but personally I would probably just use contactless as the difference is unlikely to be huge and I don't have to worry about buying and topping up an Oyster card.
The daily cap is £6.40 so you need to hit that cap at least 6 days out of the 7 to reach the £32.10 required spend, you won't do this before the Monday when it resets. Due to the lower daily capping you will hit the daily cap after 3 single journeys in zone 1 at £2.30 each either peak or off peak.
You need to consider exchange rates / commission charges if you are using a foreign card, you will get one charge per day appear on your statement rather than one charge per journey against the price of the Oyster card (assuming you don't have one already) and the convenience option.
The advantage of contactless is that you don't have to worry about paying the 7 day travel card unless you hit cap, however, if you do hit the cap then you will probably be paying more as it will reset on the Monday morning.
I'd do the sums and weigh it up against the inconvenience of buying and topping up an Oyster card. I think contactless may work out more expensive if you hit the cap every day, but personally I would probably just use contactless as the difference is unlikely to be huge and I don't have to worry about buying and topping up an Oyster card.
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Jacknyoc - If you really will be a light user (two or less journeys per day in the central area) then "pay as you go" will be cheaper than loading a weekly travelcard. If you are likely to make three or more journeys for five days or more, the week travelcard will save you money. Because of the lower daily cap for journeys in central zone, you won't be out of pocket by more than a few pounds, even if you pick the "wrong" option.
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Thank you, visualAd and rcspeirs, I very much appreciate your input. It helps a lot.
I have an oyster card from a previous trip, and if I understand what you have said and what I have read, I can simply load a certain amount onto the card (20 GBP for instance) and use it for each trip until that amount is depleted, then load an additional amount as needed. Is that correct? If so, I presume I can load my oyster card at either a ticket booth or at the machines.
In terms of contactless cards, I'm presuming this refers to credit cards with pin technology. I have US cards, some with pin technology, but they are all pin and signature cards. I'm presuming that won't work at the contactless entrance points. Is that correct?
Again, thank you very much for your assistance.
I have an oyster card from a previous trip, and if I understand what you have said and what I have read, I can simply load a certain amount onto the card (20 GBP for instance) and use it for each trip until that amount is depleted, then load an additional amount as needed. Is that correct? If so, I presume I can load my oyster card at either a ticket booth or at the machines.
In terms of contactless cards, I'm presuming this refers to credit cards with pin technology. I have US cards, some with pin technology, but they are all pin and signature cards. I'm presuming that won't work at the contactless entrance points. Is that correct?
Again, thank you very much for your assistance.
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Yes, just load £20 onto your existing Oystercard and away you go.
Contactless? NotHing to do with chip and pin (although in practise, virtually all contactless cards issued in the UK are chip and pin. The starting entry in this article explains the symbol to look for on your card(s). If you don't know what it is then it's probable that your card(s) aren't enabled with it.
Contactless? NotHing to do with chip and pin (although in practise, virtually all contactless cards issued in the UK are chip and pin. The starting entry in this article explains the symbol to look for on your card(s). If you don't know what it is then it's probable that your card(s) aren't enabled with it.
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Many thanks. this is very helpful and I appreciate being able to ask the questions to be clear in my own mind. My apologies for overlooking the large descriptive picture related to the contactless card and description in the initial wiki...I must have simply scrolled through them too quickly. thank you for your assistance.
Yes, just load £20 onto your existing Oystercard and away you go.
Contactless? NotHing to do with chip and pin (although in practise, virtually all contactless cards issued in the UK are chip and pin. The starting entry in this article explains the symbol to look for on your card(s). If you don't know what it is then it's probable that your card(s) aren't enabled with it.
Contactless? NotHing to do with chip and pin (although in practise, virtually all contactless cards issued in the UK are chip and pin. The starting entry in this article explains the symbol to look for on your card(s). If you don't know what it is then it's probable that your card(s) aren't enabled with it.
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@stifle. Can we clarify your post. What I think you mean is that there will no longer be the option of using a manned ticket window. It will still be possible to top up at tube stations, but you must use the ticket machines (which won't work for those who's bank card is not chip / pin).
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@stifle. Can we clarify your post. What I think you mean is that there will no longer be the option of using a manned ticket window. It will still be possible to top up at tube stations, but you must use the ticket machines (which won't work for those who's bank card is not chip / pin).
Have things changed since then and now chip and pin is required? If that's the case, what option is left to add funds to an Oyster card with a chip and signature card?
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@stifle. Can we clarify your post. What I think you mean is that there will no longer be the option of using a manned ticket window. It will still be possible to top up at tube stations, but you must use the ticket machines (which won't work for those who's bank card is not chip / pin).
Chip and PIN becomes mandatory in the USA from October 2015 so using the machines should not be an issue, but for those customers not in a position to use machines there is still the option of topping up with cash at Ticket Vending Machines or using a card at London Travel Centres which will be available at major stations frequented by tourists including Heathrow Terminals 123, Euston, Victoria, Liverpool Street, St. Pancras, and Gatwick Airport, as well as at the Heathrow Express ticket office at Heathrow Terminal 5 and the DLR ticket office at London City Airport. Additionally, some local Oyster Ticket Stops accept card payments.
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I mean exactly what I wrote. All ticket windows on London Underground stations will permanently close this year. Ticket machines will still be available and their settings have not changed, so if your card worked there before it will still work in the future.
Chip and PIN becomes mandatory in the USA from October 2015 so using the machines should not be an issue, but for those customers not in a position to use machines there is still the option of topping up with cash at Ticket Vending Machines or using a card at London Travel Centres which will be available at major stations frequented by tourists including Heathrow Terminals 123, Euston, Victoria, Liverpool Street, St. Pancras, and Gatwick Airport, as well as at the Heathrow Express ticket office at Heathrow Terminal 5 and the DLR ticket office at London City Airport. Additionally, some local Oyster Ticket Stops accept card payments.
Chip and PIN becomes mandatory in the USA from October 2015 so using the machines should not be an issue, but for those customers not in a position to use machines there is still the option of topping up with cash at Ticket Vending Machines or using a card at London Travel Centres which will be available at major stations frequented by tourists including Heathrow Terminals 123, Euston, Victoria, Liverpool Street, St. Pancras, and Gatwick Airport, as well as at the Heathrow Express ticket office at Heathrow Terminal 5 and the DLR ticket office at London City Airport. Additionally, some local Oyster Ticket Stops accept card payments.
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OK, well, all of the cards that I've been sent (Amex, Citibank, B of A, Chase) are chip and signature. Same with everyone else I know here in the USA. There are very few cards issued here with chip and pin. Please refers to threads on the credit card forums.