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Welcome to the Oyster/Contactless FAQ!

Q: So, what is an Oyster card?

A: It's a smart card that allows you to travel within Greater London, on the Underground, buses, trams, the DLR and trains within the validity area. As well as being convenient, it can be a lot cheaper than cash fares.

You can also pay for some river services, and the Emirates Air Line.

It has two modes: pay-as-you-go and zonal season tickets for 1 week or more. You can also use it as a hybrid - to use pay-as-you-go funds to travel outside of your season ticket zones.

To travel, you simply touch the card on the card reader.

Q: What about contactless?

A: As of September 2014, you can use contactless credit cards to travel within Greater London. This is on a pay-as-you-go basis - the fare for each journey you take will be debited from your account.

Daily and weekly limits apply to contactless travel, broadly equivalent to daily and weekly 'travelcards' (unlimited travel tickets). Once you reach these limits, no more funds will be debited from the card. In some circumstances, for journeys outside the zonal area (such as to or from Gatwick), contactless can be cheaper than Oyster.

As with Oyster, to travel, you simply touch the card on the card reader.

Q: Why all this fuss about 'card clash'?

A: If you take your card out of your wallet, and place it on your card reader, it pretty clear that you're using that card, whether Oyster or contactless, to travel.

However, the card reader can generally pick up cards inside a wallet, and people have got used to travelling simply by touching a wallet (or travel wallet) on the card reader.

However, now that contactless cards are being accepted for travel, and travel smart cards are becoming more popular, it's increasingly likely that people will have multiple cards in their wallet that could be accepted for travel. In this case, the card reader may not consistently pick up the card that the passenger wishes to use.

So you are being encouraged to ensure you are only placing a single card on/near the reader at any given time.

As you can register Oyster and contactless cards to an online account, TfL have said they will do their best to reconcile 'card clash' if you enter and exit with different cards, or use different cards within the same time period by accident, but this cannot be guaranteed.

Q: Why would I use Oyster over contactless?

A: Both Oyster and contactless cards have the same fares at present.

Oyster cards can have additional discounts loaded on to them if you have certain types of National Railcards (see below). This is not currently possible with contactless.

Contactless cards have a weekly fare cap, equivalent to the same weekly travelcard. This is not currently possible on Oyster - you'd be expected to load the weekly travelcard on in advance. However, Oyster weekly travelcards can be for any 7 consecutive days, whereas contactless capping runs from Mondays to Sundays only (otherwise there would be a never-ending recalculation cycle until one stopped travelling for >7 days).

Oyster cards allow you to load on monthly or longer travelcards.

Oyster cards allow you to use a hybrid mode, to use pay-as-you-go funds for occasional travel outside a travelcard's zone.

You can top up an Oyster at National Rail stations for any multiple of 5p, up to a maximum of £90 on the card, allowing you to manufacture spending.

If your non-UK card has a per-transaction foreign spending fee, then obviously it makes sense to pay this only once by preloading an Oyster.

If you lose your Oyster card (or it gets stolen) it's a lot less hassle, financially, than losing your credit card. You go online as soon as you can to register the loss and and register your replacement card, and you can transfer any balance over. This does assume that the 'finder' of your card doesn't use all your credit first...

Q: What is a contactless card? Will mine be accepted?

A: 'Contactless' refers to a method of payment on credit cards - and increasingly on mobile/cellphone and other decides. It's also known as EMV, NFC or by brand names such as PayWave, PayPass and ExpressPay.

If your credit card has it, it will have a symbol like this on it:



You may even have an app on your smartphone that allows you to use it.

It doesn't matter if your card isn't issued in the UK, but there are still some cards which don't currently work with the system. An up-to-date list is kept here: TfL Contactless Website.

Q: Why would I use a paper ticket?

A: For one-way fares on the Underground or DLR, paper tickets are poor value. They're really only good for very occasional travel, where you are not able to use Oyster or contactless.

Cash fares are not available on buses at all.

However, with a paper travelcard (weekly or longer zoneal ticket) issued by a National Rail station, you can avail yourself of a number of very generous 2-for-1 offers for entry to some major London attractions.

For travel to/from Gatwick, there are a terrifyingly large number of fare options possible. In some circumstances (especially weekends) a paper ticket can be cheaper than oyster or contactless. Taking advantage of this requires careful research and detailed understanding of the fare options. For most passengers, oyster or contactless is the simple option and will always be a reasonable fare.

If you have a UK railcard, paper tickets on London heavy rail journeys in the afternoon peak period (1600-1900) can be cheaper than Oyster fares.

There is a maximum journey time on Oyster / contactless which means that if you want to roam around the rail network, or wait inside a station for a friend who is delayed, you run the risk of not having a validated ticket when you are checked.

Q: What is fare capping?

A: It's quite a user-friendly feature of Oyster and contactless payments. Rather than trying to figure out whether it's going to be cheaper to pay for individual journeys on the day, or buy a daily (or weekly, in the case of contactless) ticket in advance, the system will figure it out for you.

The actual fare structure is quite complex, and depends on peak and off-peak hours and different transport modes, but there is a handy calculator here: Single Fare Finder.

The capping rules and fares are here: Oyster Fare Capping and here: Contactless Fare Capping.

Note that contactless weekly fare capping runs Mon-Sun.

Q: How do I buy an Oyster card?

A: There's a whole number of places you can buy them, but the short answer is 'from rail and Underground stations'. Most Underground vending machines now sell them - and will accept credit cards (standard caveats for non-chip cards apply). Full details are here: Where to Buy Tickets.

Note that to obtain an Oyster card requires payment of a £5 non-refundable fee. (Older documents refer to a refundable deposit - that no longer applies to new cards. Holders of older cards can hand in the card and get the £5 deposit refunded if they no longer need the card). If the card is held for a calendar year, that £5 fee becomes available as useable credit against fares. If you want to use annual season tickets on them, you will have to register them online.

There's also a network of Oyster Ticket Stops around London, if a station isn't convenient for you, or an unmanned station machine won't accept your credit card.

You can also buy a Visitor Oyster Card prior to arrival. There's a minimum pre-load, and a £5 non-refundable fee, plus postage charges. As oyster cards as very easy to obtain on arrival, there is no benefit in buying the Visitor card in advance.

Q: Where can I use it?

A: Basically, anywhere in London. There are some exceptions. The best way to see if your destination is covered is to refer to the zonal map: TfL London Rail and Tube Map.

Note: Oyster is accepted on all trains/tubes/buses in London, except:
  • From 2019 onwards, it is accepted on Heathrow Express but at a premium rate other other modes
  • Accepted on tfl rail (formerly known as Connect) services.
  • Not accepted on sightseeing tour buses. These are not part of the public transport infrastructure within London.
  • (Paragraph about “heritage routemaster” buses on route 15 removed as this service has been permanently withdrawn).

There are limited fares available outside of London, as noted on the map above. This is constantly being expanded.

Oyster cards may additionally be used to travel on the Thames Clippers river services and the Emirates Air Line. These are PAYG services with a different fare structure from the rest of the transport network. Thus they are not subject to daily capping, however if you have a travelcard loaded onto your Oyster, there is a discount on the fare.

Q: How do I use it?

A: Look for this symbol:



To use your Oyster or contactless card, just touch it on the card reader bearing that symbol at the start of your journey ('touch in') and, depending on the journey mode, at the end ('touch out'). It's quite sensitive and quick to register.

A yellow light in the corner indicates it's ready to use. Touch the card on. When it turns green and beeps, it's registered positively. If it turns red and beeps, there's a problem (lack of funds or transmission problems). Try again if this happens, but bear in mind that Londoners can be an impatient bunch!

Tube and Train: In most cases, you'll go through ticket barriers, in which case the reader will be on top of the barrier body on the right hand side:



You need to touch in and touch out, and it's important to do so, even if the barriers are locked open.

On some occasions, smaller stations (or wide barriers) may have a standalone card reader like this:



which you can use instead.

DLR: Most DLR stations do not have barriers, so you need to explicitly remember to touch in and touch out, bearing in mind that the readers may not be in line of sight (London City Airport being the worst for this). The readers are normally standalone, looking something like this:



Bus and Tram: As buses and trams have a flat fare, you only need to touch in, not out. On most buses, there is a reader next to the driver, like this:



However, on rear-boarding buses, you may see standalone ones like this:



For trams, you touch in on the platform – note that you should not touch out at the end of a tram journey (unless you are exiting Wimbledon Station):



When you touch in, a 'standard fare' is deducted from your card. The value of this varies according to the form of transport. The balance is refunded when you touch out. The result of this is that, if you touch out, you will not receive this balance, and be charged a more expensive fare for your journey.

Q: How much will it cost?

I'd love to be able to give a simple answer to this... However, it's not quite so simple. The easiest way is to use the Single Fare Finder and refer to the Daily Capping page (see FAQ section on what that means). Within the London zonal area, oyster (or contactless) will always be the cheapest option for a working age adult. (For children or holders of senior railcard, the cheapest may be different).

There are third-party sites and apps out there which can give a more user-friendly presentation of the same information (put them here if you find some good ones!)

Q: How do I top up the funds or renew a season ticket?

A: For contactless cards, you don't top up funds - they are simply debited from your account once per day, usually two days after you travel. You also can't load a travelcard. For Oyster, however, you have a number of options.
  • Ticket Machines - at Tube, Rail, DLR and Tram stations, ticket machines will let you top up your Oyster card by card. Just look for the Oyster symbol on the machine, touch your card on, and follow instructions. It is no longer possible to pay with cash at stations managed by tfl
  • Ticket Offices - you can also top up at ticket offices. Note, however, that 75% of Tube ticket offices have closed down - all will be closed soon, and they mandate a £5 minimum for cash top-ups.
  • Oyster Ticket Stops - just like buying the cards, you can top them up here.
  • Online - this is slightly more awkward than it sounds. You can register and top up funds or buy a season ticket online at the Oyster website. However, the process is quite convoluted. You specify what you want to load, but also have to specify a 'launch' station - a station you know you will be travelling through. You then have eight days – starting with the day after you purchase – to start or finish a journey at this station, and only at that point will the funds/travelcard be loaded.
  • Auto Top-Up - this is rather more convenient, especially for people with frequent but irregular travel in London. You leave credit card details, and when your card dips below a balance of £10, it will be automatically topped up with the amount you specify - and this doesn't have to be at a station. This can also be set up on the Oyster website.
Note that the Oyster website does not support non-UK billed cards. This is not to say they will be rejected outright, but if your foreign card isn't accepted, you'll have to put up with it.

Q: Can I get a refund when I'm finished with an Oyster card?

A: Yes you can. The easiest way is to take it to a Tube Ticket office (but only a tiny number of stations have a ticket office....). You will get the balance back, plus any refundable deposit. Or to go to any Tube station and get a refund from the larger Ticket Machines (Max £15 refund given, £5 Deposit + unto £10 PAYG Credit). You cannot get the deposit refunded if you still have an active travelcard loaded on the oyster (so if you buy a weekly travelcard but leave London on day 6, you cannot get the deposit refunded).

You can also apple for a refund online through the TfL website.

TfL also have a number of deposit boxes around, where you can post the card, with the funds being donated to charity.

Q: Can I use an Oyster card to/from airports?

A:
Heathrow: Yes - all modes

Yes on Heathrow Express, but at Premium fare

Yes on Underground (Piccadilly Line).

Yes on TfL buses (i.e. red buses, which includes route 81 to Slough, but not National Express coaches or other local buses going outside of Greater London to Windsor, Oxford, etc, but there ). Note that the Heathrow free bus scheme has been withdrawn, there is no longer free travel in in the immediate vicinity of the airport are free. The "Hotel Hoppa" services are not part of the tfl network and are quite expensive.

Valid on the Elizabeth Line (formerly TfL Rail/Connect) to/from the airport.

London City: Yes.

Yes, valid on DLR. There are no gates to the platform, so remember to 'touch in' on the validators tucked away (not in your sight line) opposite the escalators to the platform or you are liable for a penalty fare.

Yes, valid on TfL buses. (There are limited local bus routes from LCY, and bus is rarely a wise choice for visitors).

Gatwick: Yes, but higher fares are charged for trains branded "express" (which are not discernibly quicker than ordinary services). Note that as part of Covid changes, the services branded express have been withdrawn, it is not clear when these will be reinstated.

Oyster was extended to Gatwick in early 2016. Southern Railway have their own smartcard, but take up is poor - not useful for visitors.

Luton: Complicated. Oyster is not valid. However, contactless is valid to Luton Airport Parkway station. If using contactless, you pay a separate fare (Amex not accepted) on the connecting shuttle bus.

Stansted: No, not valid.

Southend: No, not valid.

Q: What if I'm travelling outside Greater London? How do I know where this is?

A: The following map shows the Oyster zones: Oyster Rail Map.

Broadly, this is inside Greater London, but there are some locations outside, and these are being added to. You can also use Oyster on any TfL (Transport for London) sponsored bus, regardless of location.

If you want to travel outside of London, you will need a paper ticket (or an alternative smartcard valid for your journey where applicable).

However, if you have a travelcard (zonal season ticket) loaded on to your Oyster card, you can purchase a single ticket from the last station inside your Zones to your destination. If you do this, the train you take must pass the station, but does not have to stop at it.

There may be a choice of routes, for example, trains from London to Stevenage may go via Hadley Wood or Crews Hill (the last stations within Zone 6). You could also buy a "Boundary Zone" ticket from BZ6 to Stevenage. In conjunction with your travelcard

These tickets can only be bought from a manned counter, though some tickets are available from the Ticket Machines.

Q: What are 'pink readers'?

This is TfL recognising that there are multiple routes that you could take because of the complexity of the network.

London fare zones are concentric, due to the primary nature of travel in the city. However, there are often multiple routes from A-B - often including cheaper, but less convenient journeys avoiding Zone 1 (which has a fare premium compared to other zones). In order to obtain this cheaper fare, you must prove that you have taken the more circuitous route by touching your card on a pink-coloured Oyster reader at an intermediate station. These are just like other Oyster readers, but typically located along a platform at an exchange station.

Say you're travelling from Highbury & Islington to Canary Wharf. The quickest routes involve travel via Zone 1 (Overground to Shadwell then change to DLR, or Victoria Line to Green Park and change to Jubilee Line). Including Zone 1 in your journey would result in a higher Zone 1-2 fare.

To save money, you could take the Overground to Stratford, and change to the DLR there directly to Canary Wharf. That would not travel via Zone 1, and so the cost would be the lower Zone 2-3 fare (Zone 3 is included because Stratford is in Zone 3). So how do you prove you went this way? When changing at Stratford, touch your Oyster or Contactless card on a pink Oyster Validator - doing this will clarify your route to the system and charge you the lower non-Zone 1 fare.

You can use the Single Fare Finder to be clear as to which stations you must touch a pink reader at to obtain a particular fare–you may encounter more than one station with pink readers on your journey but you need only touch the ones indicated by the Single Fare Finder. It is necessary to touch the pink readers if you have a travelcard that is not valid for the zones you are avoiding.

Q: Are any discounts available?

Railcards are available for people aged 16-25, over 60, disabled, people travelling with children, and any two people travelling together. This includes tourists if you can provide a passport photo and proof of age. If you have a sole person railcard, you can load this onto your registered Oyster at most TfL stations. This will give you 34% off off-peak fares.

In the afternoon peak on National Rail services within London, it may still be cheaper to buy a paper ticket than use Oyster as you get a railcard discount on the paper ticket but not the Oyster PAYG fare.

London students (e.g. university, exchange) can get 30% off travelcards by applying for an 18+ Oyster through their university.

Q: Can I get a receipt?

A: Yes, but if you are using a machine, you need to press a button if you want a receipt as the default is to not issue one.

You can also visit the Oyster Website or Contactless Website, which allow you to print off a journey and charging history.

Q: What is the difference between a Travelcard and an Oyster Card (or a Contactless Card)?

A: The travelcard has been around for years. It is a ticket that allows unlimited travel for a period of a day, week, month or longer, within the travelcard zones here: TfL Zone Map. Different combinations of zones are available, as well as tickets that include journeys from destinations outsize the zones (the unlimited travel then being within the zones, and between the zone bounday and the ticket origin).

For daily travelcards, there is a distinction between peak and off-peak hours.

Traditionally, it is a paper ticket. However, weekly or longer inboundary travelcards (i.e. those which are wholly within the travelcard zones) can also be loaded on to Oyster Cards. This means that the Oyster card will simply validate that you have a valid travelcard season ticket, and not deduct any balance. Rather usefully, if you need to go to a travelcard zone not covered by your season ticket, the Oyster Card will automatically deduct the excess fare.

But why isn't a daily travelcard included? Well, that's because of price capping. If you use an Oyster card several times in a day, it will cap the amount you are charged in a day to a value that is slightly less than the equivalent paper travelcards, calculated based on the zones you've travelled in and the time of day (to determine peak/off-peak).

And contactless? That will do the same capping, but for weekly as well as daily.

If you have an outboundary travelcard (i.e. from outside the zones in the map, e.g. Gatwick Airport or Biggleswade) then it will have to be a paper ticket or other Rail Company Smart Card (e.g. Southern's 'The Key'). And if you have an annual one, you may need a second mortgage...

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Old Jun 20, 2017, 1:22 pm
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Has anyone been having difficulty logging into their Oyster account these past few days? I've been trying every day, multiple times per day, to login online since Sunday (the 18th), but I keep getting the error

Sorry, we were unable to process your request. This may be because our server is too busy or experiencing technical difficulties preventing it from responding to requests at this time.

Please call TfL Customer Services on 0343 222 1234 for further assistance or try again later.
Anyone else experiencing the same?
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Has anyone been having difficulty logging into their Oyster account these past few days? I've been trying every day, multiple times per day, to login online since Sunday (the 18th), but I keep getting the error



Anyone else experiencing the same?
No problems accessing my account.
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What is the difference between Oyster and Travelcard and where do you find a Travelcard? I ask because there are some attractions that allow 2 for 1 if you have a Travelcard.

I was under the impression that the Oyster card is used for Tube, overground, and bus, much in the same way that we use a "Charlie Card" here in Boston. So what would you use the Travelcard for that is different?

I have also seen some websites (especially the London Pass website) call it an Oyster Travelcard, which further muddies the waters.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I've not been down to London this year:

Oyster = contactless card used for close to all public transport in London, as you say similar to your CharlieCard
Travelcard = a daily/weekly etc zonal ticket in London

The Travelcard is still available in paper form, which is what I believe you need to get the 2 for 1 deals, it can also be loaded onto Oyster which is probably where your confusion comes from
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Originally Posted by jt82
Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I've not been down to London this year:

Oyster = contactless card used for close to all public transport in London, as you say similar to your CharlieCard
Travelcard = a daily/weekly etc zonal ticket in London

The Travelcard is still available in paper form, which is what I believe you need to get the 2 for 1 deals, it can also be loaded onto Oyster which is probably where your confusion comes from
An Oyster Card is a contactless card that you pay (I believe) a $5GBP deposit for (you can always turn it back in and get a return of the deposit) Its meant for high usage (I got one in June just for the souvenir) You then load a Travel pass on it (I got 8 days zone 1 &2 from LHR office) for about $40GBP and a few GBP top it off to get to and from LHR to Central London.. It was a great deal.. It does not afford the tourist 2 x 1 deals. However, the Travel Card works the same way, has no deposit and is paper and has the 2 x1 tourist deals.. I read up a bit in advance to learn about it..

Transport for London administers this and you don't have to go to a touting tourist site that charges allot more for the same thing. They even have an office at the tube station at LHR at T-2:

https://tfl.gov.uk/

Hope this helps..
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An Oyster Card is a contactless card that you pay (I believe) a $5GBP deposit for (you can always turn it back in and get a return of the deposit) Its meant for high usage (I got one in June just for the souvenir) You then load a Travel pass on it (I got 8 days zone 1 &2 from LHR office) for about $40GBP and a few GBP top it off to get to and from LHR to Central London.. It was a great deal.. It does not afford the tourist 2 x 1 deals. However, the Travel Card works the same way, has no deposit and is paper and has the 2 x1 tourist deals.. I read up a bit in advance to learn about it..

Transport for London administers this and you don't have to go to a touting tourist site that charges allot more for the same thing. They even have an office at the tube station at LHR at T-2:

https://tfl.gov.uk/

Hope this helps..
To be clear, a TfL issued travelcard - which is what you'd get from a Tube station - does NOT get you the 241 deals. Only National Rail travelcards bought from rail stations or the rail companies online (which can be collected at LHR) count.

Also the Oyster card is not just meant for high usage. Even for one journey it is cheaper than cash if you get the deposit refunded (very easily done at the machine these days). For anything more than two journeys it is definitely better than cash singles.

However, it may be worth getting a National Rail issued travelcard for the 241 deals. Alternatively you can buy throwaway cheap National Rail tickets for that purpose instead. Which is better depends on your plans, Graciecatt. I understand you have 3 days in London - would you be thinking of visiting 241 attractions on each of those days?
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To be clear, a TfL issued travelcard - which is what you'd get from a Tube station - does NOT get you the 241 deals. Only National Rail travelcards bought from rail stations or the rail companies online (which can be collected at LHR) count.

Also the Oyster card is not just meant for high usage. Even for one journey it is cheaper than cash if you get the deposit refunded (very easily done at the machine these days). For anything more than two journeys it is definitely better than cash singles.

However, it may be worth getting a National Rail issued travelcard for the 241 deals. Alternatively you can buy throwaway cheap National Rail tickets for that purpose instead. Which is better depends on your plans, Graciecatt. I understand you have 3 days in London - would you be thinking of visiting 241 attractions on each of those days?
Thanks for clarifying (the last thing I want to do is pass on misinformation).. With that said, it took me a little time reading/browsing around to find the best value and type of card for my needs. I had used this particular site (as it had the most comprehensive information I could find) regarding the Transit Cards (Oyster, Travelcard, passes etc):

https://www.londontoolkit.com/briefing/travelcard.htm

Use the green links in the narrative to read more.. Good reading..
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You then load a Travel pass on it (I got 8 days zone 1 &2 from LHR office)
You can't get an 8 day travelcard, only 7 (and 30, 31, 32... 278, 279, then 280-365 days costs the same).

Originally Posted by Ldnn1
Also the Oyster card is not just meant for high usage. Even for one journey it is cheaper than cash if you get the deposit refunded (very easily done at the machine these days).
Deposits can only be refunded 48 hours after a card is purchased, so if you really only need one tube journey on an LHR layover and don't have a usable contactless card, it would be cheaper to buy a single ticket (at least, if you don't trust yourself to remember to bring the card on your next visit).
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Deposits can only be refunded 48 hours after a card is purchased, so if you really only need one tube journey on an LHR layover and don't have a usable contactless card, it would be cheaper to buy a single ticket (at least, if you don't trust yourself to remember to bring the card on your next visit).
So far as I can tell from the TfL website, the 48 hour rule only now applies to unused credit on the Visitor Oyster card - the one people buy online and which has a non-refundable £3 deposit.

There is no mention on TfL of 48 hours for refunds of the ordinary Oyster card which you get from a ticket machine - perhaps that rule was recently scrapped? TfL certainly implies the £5 deposit can be refunded immediately along with unused credit.

Note however that you can only refund at a ticket machine if there is no more than £10 unused credit on the card.

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Originally Posted by :D!
You can't get an 8 day travelcard, only 7 (and 30, 31, 32... 278, 279, then 280-365 days costs the same).

I was surprised as well! I was issued 8 days for the price of 7.The gentleman at the office in LHR replied with a smile when I asked him.. He just asked when am I coming back to LHR gave him the date and YES 8 days for the price of 7!



Deposits can only be refunded 48 hours after a card is purchased, so if you really only need one tube journey on an LHR layover and don't have a usable contactless card, it would be cheaper to buy a single ticket (at least, if you don't trust yourself to remember to bring the card on your next visit).
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However, it may be worth getting a National Rail issued travelcard for the 241 deals. Alternatively you can buy throwaway cheap National Rail tickets for that purpose instead. Which is better depends on your plans, Graciecatt. I understand you have 3 days in London - would you be thinking of visiting 241 attractions on each of those days?
Yes I'm sure we will. This will not be a restful vacation! We are looking to see as much as we can fit in.

I was thinking of the Oyster card for most inner-city traffic and a Travelcard from the rail station on the day(s) that we plan to see the 241 attractions. Although now that I've typed that all out, I have to see exactly which 241 attractions are on our list to see how many days I'd need a Travelcard for. There aren't any multi-day Travelcards, right?
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Old Aug 17, 2017, 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Graciecatt
I was thinking of the Oyster card for most inner-city traffic and a Travelcard from the rail station on the day(s) that we plan to see the 241 attractions. Although now that I've typed that all out, I have to see exactly which 241 attractions are on our list to see how many days I'd need a Travelcard for.
Worth noting that a Zone 1-2 Travelcard is £12.30 versus £6.60 for the oyster cap.

Price-wise it might therefore potentially be cheaper to use oyster throughout and just buy £3 National Rail single tickets from St Pancras to Blackfriars for the purposes of the 241. Those are sufficient to get you the deal. You could then also make use of that ticket for travel on Thameslink e.g. if you're going to Tate Modern. The normal Oyster fare is £2.40 so you'd effectively be paying only 60p each for the 241 benefit, but that's ignoring the cap.

However if you're visiting 241 attractions on days when you're also travelling to/from Heathrow, then a NR travelcard may work out cheaper - provided you're travelling off-peak. To be honest there are loads of permutations that fare geeks like me could get stuck into, but it's probably much of a muchness overall.

For info, if you do want to buy the £3 singles, you should be able to get them easily at either the Thameslink or East Midlands machines in St Pancras - there are a couple of East Midlands ones very near the entrance to the hotel towards the front of the station. I haven't actually checked if they're readily available on those machines but can't see why not. Alternatively you can pre-purchase them online and collect at any machine.

They key thing to remember is that TfL issued Travelcards don't count for the 241 - so if you choose the Travelcard option you need to buy them online and collect at a machine.

There aren't any multi-day Travelcards,
There are 7-day travelcards, but they wouldn't be worth it for you.
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Old Aug 17, 2017, 2:14 pm
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Just as an FYI...

We had Britrail passes while in the UK. There are a number of 2-4-1 offers available to rail pass holders during the time frame covered by the rail pass.
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Old Sep 14, 2018, 4:17 pm
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I've read through this thread and am even more confused. I've never been to London but it seems a bit more intricate to figure out what we need than, say, the Paris Metro. Zones? Different rail lines? Very confusing since I have no context for London.
I would greatly appreciate any help and advise to figure out what option(s) we need for our upcoming trip. Price is not our only concern, some options may be more beneficial for time and convenience. If it makes any difference my husband will be traveling to London/Coventry (no Coventry on this trip) 3 or 4 times a year for client meetings, as well as Amsterdam for future trips. I will be joining him for the upcoming trip and, hopefully, at least once a year thereafter.
Our itinerary
10/20 LHR @ 8am => Maida Vale Marriott
10/21 Maida Vale Marriott <-> Wembley Stadium
10/22 -> Flight to Amsterdam (flight not yet booked but probably LHR)
10/24 -> Train (not yet booked) back to Maida Vale Marriott
10/25-10/27- Exploring London
10/28 ->Hotel to LHR, flight departs @ 12:30pm

Thank you!

Please accept my apologies if I've posted this in the wrong place.
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Old Sep 14, 2018, 11:55 pm
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The travelcard product only saves money if (1) you can take advantage of 'two for one' offers on visitor attractions and/or (2) you'll be traveling more than five days in a seven day period.
That doesn't seem to apply to you, so PAYG (pay as you go) will be cheaper. Important to note that PAYG is cheap in electronic form (oyster or contactless or Phone pay) and painfully expensive in paper ticket form - use electronic payment! Using electronic payment, you don't have to know or care about zones - just 'beep in' at start of journey and 'beep out' on exit and the cheapest fare is charged.
If you intend to use Eurostar to Amsterdam, it makes much more sense to do that London to Amsterdam, which is a seamless journey. Far less so on the return where you must get off and clear formalities in Brussels,adding a lot of time and faff to the journey. If doing air, look at London City airport which is way more convenient than others (BA, KLM and FlyBe all competing in that route).
Coventry is a train ride away from London - and not relevant to the fare calculations or options in London.
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