Delays at UK airports ...
Mrs. Jib was planning to meet a friend who had a six hour stopover at LHR today - The friend's flight from Barcelona to LHR T5 was delayed one hour. Then the plane spent one hour taxiing before reaching a gate. The immigration line was long ... after an hour of waiting, with at least another 40 minutes of queuing ahead, Mrs jib's friend decided to forget about it and do an airside transfer to T3.
On Monday, Mrs. Jib and I flew into Stansted with two Japanese friends. No queue at all for non-EU immigration. Whoopee. But unfortunately, immigration handed a piece of paper to one of the people in our party to explain that she had to wait on a bench for a while. (I didn't see the note, so I don't know what reason was given). We waited 20 minutes for our friend to be released from the sin bin. It was hard for us to understand why she was held at all. Her passport has a valid UK visa in it. What's going on at our airports? Are UKBA beefing up the entry clearance kabuki to compensate for being terribly lax recently? |
It's pretty clear that the controls need beefing up, but I hope that they don't become as unpleasant and inefficient as those in the USA.
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We are just proving early on that we will not be able to cope when the Olympic circus comes to town.
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
(Post 18111749)
It's pretty clear that the controls need beefing up, but I hope that they don't become as unpleasant and inefficient as those in the USA.
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Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 18112097)
Harrassing people who hold valid visas seems like a theatrical immitation of "beefed up" controls.
Under what pretence was your acquaintance detained when entering at STN?
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 18112097)
As far as I know, if you've got a green card in the US, you pass through the same channels as US citizens and it's not an ordeal. (By all means correct me if I'm wrong on that - I don't have personal experience).
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Originally Posted by ajax
(Post 18112236)
I assure you that UKBA have harrassed valid UK visaholders long before the recent revelations about laxity on some borders.
Under what pretence was your acquaintance detained when entering at STN? We saw one other person from the same flight in the same position as her. That makes me wonder if they're just picking random individuals to do some sort of secondary check on. What an unpleasant waste of time. |
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 18111169)
On Monday, Mrs. Jib and I flew into Stansted with two Japanese friends. No queue at all for non-EU immigration. Whoopee. But unfortunately, immigration handed a piece of paper to one of the people in our party to explain that she had to wait on a bench for a while. (I didn't see the note, so I don't know what reason was given). We waited 20 minutes for our friend to be released from the sin bin. It was hard for us to understand why she was held at all. Her passport has a valid UK visa in it.
Arising from recent press coverage, I would be unsurprised if the UK Border Agency hasn't decided to beef up immigration controls. It may have arisen for as simple as reason as someone not normally needing a visa having a visa. |
Does the UK even require visas for Japanese passport holders? Here in the USA, they are not required to have a visa in advance of entry. I have even heard the entry process for Japanese here described as "visa on arrival," although I'm not sure that is the official term.
In any case, the UK authorities are likely within their legal structure in doing secondary and/or random screening. Even here in Hawaii, we have heard of some recent lapses in UK border control, so it doesn't surprise me. I'll be visiting the UK in May with a naturalized US citizen who was born in Japan, hence my interest. |
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 18112777)
....We saw one other person from the same flight in the same position as her. That makes me wonder if they're just picking random individuals to do some sort of secondary check on. What an unpleasant waste of time.
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Originally Posted by KeaauFlyer
(Post 18128153)
Does the UK even require visas for Japanese passport holders?
Originally Posted by KeaauFlyer
(Post 18128153)
In any case, the UK authorities are likely within their legal structure in doing secondary and/or random screening.
Originally Posted by KeaauFlyer
(Post 18128153)
Even here in Hawaii, we have heard of some recent lapses in UK border control, so it doesn't surprise me.
Originally Posted by KeaauFlyer
(Post 18128153)
I'll be visiting the UK in May with a naturalized US citizen who was born in Japan, hence my interest.
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Originally Posted by ajax
(Post 18130341)
Your US passport-holding friend should have no problems entering the UK as a tourist.
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Originally Posted by ajax
(Post 18130341)
I'm no huge fan of the UKBA (but then, I'm no huge critic, either)
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Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 18134781)
That's evident from your even-handed posts on this thread, for which I thank you. For my part, I'm leaning towards a negative view of UKBA's competence to do its job efficiently and effectively. These recent delays at airports that have affected me are just one part of it.
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Originally Posted by Silver Fox
(Post 18136122)
Come with me through SFO one day down the non-US citizens line after the Air NZ, Emirates, and China flights have arrived about 20 minutes before me - you'll be fine for eternity after that ! :D
I see that Ireland also plays silly b*****s with people. This story from TechCrunch caught my eye: http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/03/ux-...ames-flanagan/ I wonder what the immigration person was thinking: "We can't have these foreigners coming here and giving us jobs"? Worst delay I've ever experienced was in Manila back in the 1990s. I think I spent more than four hours in a melee - not really a formal queue until the last couple of yards. I hope no other border that I ever cross in the future will be that awful. |
Originally Posted by jib71
(Post 18134781)
That's evident from your even-handed posts on this thread, for which I thank you. For my part, I'm leaning towards a negative view of UKBA's competence to do its job efficiently and effectively. These recent delays at airports that have affected me are just one part of it.
The delays at immigration at major ports of arrival to the UK are problematic. Clearly, there will inevitably be times when it is slower than others, and at busy airports there will almost certainly be times when the delay is unacceptably long. However, there seem to be unacceptably long delays often enough (based on reports here, and elsewhere, and on my own observations and things that acquaintances tell me) to make me think that some sort of re-think is needed. It really isn't acceptable that ordinary travellers routinely spend an hour or more shuffling forward in a passport queue before being seen. No doubt part of the problem is due to under-funding and therefore under-staffing, although I do wonder if there is some way that UKBA could be more flexible/creative in its use of personnel, staff shifts and so on, particularly at Heathrow with its four terminals. Clearly, though, the answer isn't what the government apparently thought was a good idea – that is, the relaxation of controls at busy times, at least not in the way that it was carried out. I do think that as many passengers as possible ought to be enabled and encouraged to use some sort of biometric entry system, and that it ought to be made easy to enrol in such a system (if enrolment is necessary), and that it ought to be a priority to keep the equipment in good working order. It would seem to me that this sort of entry system would work for most people with an EU/EEA/Swiss passport, as well as for people with a right of abode certificate, possibly for people with indefinite or long-term resident permits, and possibly some non-visa short-term visitors from countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, Singapore, etc. These groups would account for the majority of travellers anyway, and such a system would enable the staff to concentrate on the people that they need to concentrate on. |
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