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New Thames Estuary Airport in London

Old Jan 9, 12, 9:24 pm
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New Thames Estuary Airport in London

This project looks very interesting. A huge new airport with high speed rail included.

They say all London airports will be full by about 2030 and locals are rejecting plans for expansion.

Do you think this is the only way they can go, or can London expand their other airports like London-Southend? (never heard of it but EasyJet now flies there)

Lord Foster now wants to take that expertise to build an Estuary Airport on the Hoo Peninsula.

He says it would have four runways and would be capable of handling 150m passengers a year.

The location has been chosen because it is 55km from London and can be reached in 30 minutes by high-speed rail.
Hong Kong Airport on Chek Lap Kok island Lord Foster's Hong Kong Airport on Chek Lap Kok island provides a blue print

But it wouldn't just be an airport - the ambitious plans for a Thames Hub would bring together rail, freight logistics, aviation, energy and its transmission, flood protection as well as regional development.

Lord Foster says it's necessary because the UK is facing 21st Century challenges including an over congested rail network and housing shortages particularly in London and the South East.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15546956
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Old Jan 10, 12, 1:49 am
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There are several reasons why an airport in the Thames Estuary is problematical & has been for all the suggestions (Boris Island, Maplin Sands) since the 1940s - notably that being an estuary it's also home to an awful lot of birds.

There's also a major LNG plant a few miles away but the really big problem is the SS Richard Montgomery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Estuary_Airport
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Old Jan 10, 12, 5:12 am
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It will happen.



It's simply a matter of time.

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Old Jan 10, 12, 8:13 am
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Originally Posted by oscietra View Post
It will happen.

It's simply a matter of time.
The first proposal was in 1943. I suspect "time" will be long after we are all dead and forgotten.
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Old Jan 10, 12, 8:40 am
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Old Jan 10, 12, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Jenbel View Post
The bird problem is insurmountable. They need to find a different option.
They could just do like they did in New York and kill all the birds:

Canada Geese Culled

But in all seriousness, given the astonishing amount of NIMBYism in this country, I sincerely doubt they will ever be able to build another airport near London. Even the high-speed rail link won't be finished for another 14 years.
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Old Jan 10, 12, 2:58 pm
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The birds will as Jenbel says will kill off the estuary idea, but somewhere there will be a new airport and to meet demand there has to be work started on it soon. I have no idea where they'll put it but in the path of large numbers of birds does seem a little odd.
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Old Jan 10, 12, 3:06 pm
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I have no idea where they'll put it
The crux is that neither does anyone else. The only thing I can think of is somewhere out in Essex near Romford. No idea how feasible that would actually be, though.
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Old Jan 10, 12, 3:42 pm
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The crux is that neither does anyone else. The only thing I can think of is somewhere out in Essex near Romford. No idea how feasible that would actually be, though.
I think that would require the closure of LCY... not to mention large-scale demolition of residential areas.

Does London REALLY need another airport? Are passengers figures really going to grow the way some self-styled experts are trying to tell us? There are only so many people living in the UK. There is only so much travelling people can do.

Air passenger figures have gone down, not up in recent years - and I don't think that's just because of the recession.
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Old Jan 10, 12, 3:55 pm
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Somewhere in the Chilterns seems like a good idea. After all, if you're going to lose votes there over a high speed line, you may as well go all out...
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Why can they not build the new London hub in the Olympic park? They will have no use for that land after July and it already has excellent train, tube and DLR connections and the Channel Tunnel rail link. Plus I think the number 25 runs there from Oxford Street. And it already has a bus link to STN.

I just checked on google maps, they could extend the runways straight up Hackney Marshes and tunnel the A12 under them a bit like CDG
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Somewhere in the Chilterns seems like a good idea. After all, if you're going to lose votes there over a high speed line, you may as well go all out...
Yeah, great idea. Just need to flatten some hills...
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Old Jan 10, 12, 11:49 pm
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Could a BA or Virgin hub be created at MAN for North America/Europe/Asia connections?

Instead of connecting in London for a flight to the continent you could connect at MAN. Wouldn't there be enough traffic for that? Like BOS-MAN-Milan or Barcelona or Venice?

Also if MAN put in a flight to Tokyo or Hong Kong or Beijing wouldn't that lessen the connecting traffic in London?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

BHX.

Now with added High Speed 2, it would be 50 min to London, 30 min to Manchester, 30 min to Leeds. Plus the existing rail infrastructure to the SW and NE. A massive proportion of England within 1 hour of the airport.

Get some true integrated ticketing, and a decent MCT, and you would be at your destination quicker and more comfortably than any domestic flight.
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Old Jan 11, 12, 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by mad_rich View Post
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

BHX.

Now with added High Speed 2, it would be 50 min to London, 30 min to Manchester, 30 min to Leeds. Plus the existing rail infrastructure to the SW and NE. A massive proportion of England within 1 hour of the airport.

Get some true integrated ticketing, and a decent MCT, and you would be at your destination quicker and more comfortably than any domestic flight.
Way too logical for the London-centric. They might meet some people from north of Watford
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