I have an active Apec ABTC, but just got a Global Entry cancellation, does it matter?
Sep 10, 2022, 3:05 am
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I have an active Apec ABTC, but just got a Global Entry cancellation, does it matter?
I'm a US citizen, and my APEC ABTC is good for another year or two, but my global entry is now cancelled. On the website it says I'm still approved for it, and have the option to go through the renewal process for $100.
So, my main question is: Does APEC ABTC override global entry in ALL countries that take global entry, or only in the US?
Just wondering if I need to pay $100 (I guess my CC pay it actually) and interview again even though I have the APEC card. I'm in Asia and the locations aren't very convenient. E.g. I need to fly to another country I believe.
Thanks!
So, my main question is: Does APEC ABTC override global entry in ALL countries that take global entry, or only in the US?
Just wondering if I need to pay $100 (I guess my CC pay it actually) and interview again even though I have the APEC card. I'm in Asia and the locations aren't very convenient. E.g. I need to fly to another country I believe.
Thanks!
Sep 14, 2022, 6:42 am
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Only US takes Global Entry (despite the name). As per US law, you need to be a be a "good standing" member of a Trusted Traveler Program to be issued a US ABTC.
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/PLAW-115publ79
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/PLAW-115publ79
Sep 14, 2022, 7:25 am
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Well I already have an APEC ABTC, that's not an issue. The issue is that my global entry is expired, and other countries DO accept global entry (not a ton, but some). It's not just a US thing. It is also expanding to additional countries.
Sep 14, 2022, 10:22 am
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Which countries other than US accept Global Entry?
Sep 14, 2022, 1:02 pm
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Maybe OP meant countries like South Korea, New Zealand, and Mexico, which have their own trusted traveler programs, for which US citizens are eligible if they are also Global Entry members.
OP I don't understand what you are actually asking.
What does "override" mean? How does APEC ABTC "override" global entry in the US or any other country?
Per federal regulation, you have to be a member of a CBP trusted traveler program to be eligible for the ABTC. So your ABTC is not even valid anymore.
OP I don't understand what you are actually asking.
What does "override" mean? How does APEC ABTC "override" global entry in the US or any other country?
Per federal regulation, you have to be a member of a CBP trusted traveler program to be eligible for the ABTC. So your ABTC is not even valid anymore.
Sep 14, 2022, 6:09 pm
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ABTC isn't a visa into the participating economy for US-issued cards like it is for full members of APEC. All it gets you is access to the presumably shorter APEC lines. I've only ever been card-checked by line monitors and immigration agents to make sure I was in the right line. If it's not expired, I don't think they care if your GE is inactive. You certainly won't get a new one with an expired GE.
And even with the line monitor checking, the check was so cursory most times that I seriously doubt that they could see the expiration date. Though I wouldn't risk it if it were expired.
Edit: I suggest you slog through this thread for experiences with US-issued ABTCs:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trus...riences-q.html
And even with the line monitor checking, the check was so cursory most times that I seriously doubt that they could see the expiration date. Though I wouldn't risk it if it were expired.
Edit: I suggest you slog through this thread for experiences with US-issued ABTCs:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trus...riences-q.html
Sep 14, 2022, 6:58 pm
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Maybe OP meant countries like South Korea, New Zealand, and Mexico, which have their own trusted traveler programs, for which US citizens are eligible if they are also Global Entry members.
OP I don't understand what you are actually asking.
What does "override" mean? How does APEC ABTC "override" global entry in the US or any other country?
Per federal regulation, you have to be a member of a CBP trusted traveler program to be eligible for the ABTC. So your ABTC is not even valid anymore.
OP I don't understand what you are actually asking.
What does "override" mean? How does APEC ABTC "override" global entry in the US or any other country?
Per federal regulation, you have to be a member of a CBP trusted traveler program to be eligible for the ABTC. So your ABTC is not even valid anymore.
so, if my ABTC is active I’m not active as a CBP trusted traveler when the global entry expires? If so, crap, I’m not in the U.S. for a long time.
ABTC isn't a visa into the participating economy for US-issued cards like it is for full members of APEC. All it gets you is access to the presumably shorter APEC lines. I've only ever been card-checked by line monitors and immigration agents to make sure I was in the right line. If it's not expired, I don't think they care if your GE is inactive. You certainly won't get a new one with an expired GE.
And even with the line monitor checking, the check was so cursory most times that I seriously doubt that they could see the expiration date. Though I wouldn't risk it if it were expired.
Edit: I suggest you slog through this thread for experiences with US-issued ABTCs:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trus...riences-q.html
And even with the line monitor checking, the check was so cursory most times that I seriously doubt that they could see the expiration date. Though I wouldn't risk it if it were expired.
Edit: I suggest you slog through this thread for experiences with US-issued ABTCs:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trus...riences-q.html
Sep 14, 2022, 7:33 pm
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Sep 14, 2022, 8:27 pm
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Sep 14, 2022, 9:08 pm
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here’s an example:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcweb...t%20travelers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcweb...t%20travelers.
Last edited by seawolf; Sep 14, 2022 at 9:21 pm
Sep 14, 2022, 9:49 pm
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Ah ok, perhaps im out of the loop. So, no countries at all provide global entry, for entry, aside from the US? I was led to believe that quite a few did. There are global entry kiosks at many international airports in other countries, and I'd be surprised if the US convinced those countries to install them just for US citizens to exit, but maybe that is what it is?