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Why did I get the dreaded SSSS despite my GE/Pre✓/Nexus status? [merged threads]

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Old Mar 17, 17, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by samosa View Post
Uh oh--- just got this on AA inbound international flight. Assume it is SSSS

"These passengers are checked in but need to get boarding passes at the airport:"
[1/3 pax names]
i was right, it was ssss inbound international but painless at the airport. They filled out a log book etc but nothing major. Didn't show on my connecting domestic, but I didn't have my usual precheck while the other two Pax did. I reprinted bp in us at a kiosk in terminal and it showed ssss again. Let's see how long this lasts. The security lady in the international departure airport said it was an American Airlines issue and she showed me 2 other people on the same flight also ssss-ed.
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Old Mar 18, 17, 10:45 am
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Flights within the USA or departing the USA
  • SSSS is not common but it still happens -- especially to last-minute, one-way travellers without frequent flyer accounts, and not paying with a credit card.
  • Paid TSA PreCheck membership, NEXUS, Sentri, and Global Entry essentially protect one from SSSS.
  • There are exceedingly rare random exceptions for paid TSA PreCheck, NEXUS, Sentri, and Global Entry members
  • Depending on the airport and TSA staff, the process can be intrusive and humiliating or swift and passage to the front of the queue.
  • SSSS is designated by airline software under the direction of the TSA.

Flights to the USA operated by US carriers, including Canada to the USA
Flights operated entirely outside of the US but operated by US carriers
  • A certain percentage of passengers must get SSSS screening regardless of their designated risk status.
  • At "Category X" airports, passengers are interviewed (usually twice), and airline or contract security personnel may assign SSSS status.
  • Paid TSA PreCheck, NEXUS, Sentri, and Global Entry do not matter. These risk assessment tools should be used, but they are not.
  • SSSS status may be printed on a boarding card, written on a list for security staff, or a certain percentage of passengers are pulled aside continuously as they board the flight. It is estimated to be about 10 percent of passengers, and thus 30 selectees for a three-cabin 777-200 or "1.8" passengers on a Beech 1900.
  • The screening may be benign and fast or even more intrusive than the TSA.

Flights operated by non-US carriers to the USA
Some airlines have software that will designate selectees.
  • Some airlines ignore the selectee status entirely.
  • Some require "additional screening," which might amount to another glance at hand luggage; others can be much more elaborate.
  • For Canada-US Transborder flights, the additional screening is conducted at the checkpoint by CATSA, not by the airline or its contractors.
  • Some carriers (Air France) have their own procedures for stopping random or non-random passengers on the jetway for frisking and hand luggage inspection.
  • British Airways has a random alarm in its boarding pass reader, but this typically just triggers a hand luggage inspection.
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Old Mar 18, 17, 10:52 am
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seems mostly accurate but what is the source?


Originally Posted by Mats View Post
Flights within the USA or departing the USA
  • SSSS is not common but it still happens -- especially to last-minute, one-way travellers without frequent flyer accounts, and not paying with a credit card.
  • Paid TSA PreCheck membership, NEXUS, Sentri, and Global Entry essentially protect one from SSSS.
  • There are exceedingly rare random exceptions for paid TSA PreCheck, NEXUS, Sentri, and Global Entry members
  • Depending on the airport and TSA staff, the process can be intrusive and humiliating or swift and passage to the front of the queue.
  • SSSS is designated by airline software under the direction of the TSA.

Flights to the USA operated by US carriers, including Canada to the USA
Flights operated entirely outside of the US but operated by US carriers
  • A certain percentage of passengers must get SSSS screening regardless of their designated risk status.
  • At "Category X" airports, passengers are interviewed (usually twice), and airline or contract security personnel may assign SSSS status.
  • Paid TSA PreCheck, NEXUS, Sentri, and Global Entry do not matter. These risk assessment tools should be used, but they are not.
  • SSSS status may be printed on a boarding card, written on a list for security staff, or a certain percentage of passengers are pulled aside continuously as they board the flight. It is estimated to be about 10 percent of passengers, and thus 30 selectees for a three-cabin 777-200 or "1.8" passengers on a Beech 1900.
  • The screening may be benign and fast or even more intrusive than the TSA.

Flights operated by non-US carriers to the USA
Some airlines have software that will designate selectees.
  • Some airlines ignore the selectee status entirely.
  • Some require "additional screening," which might amount to another glance at hand luggage; others can be much more elaborate.
  • For Canada-US Transborder flights, the additional screening is conducted at the checkpoint by CATSA, not by the airline or its contractors.
  • Some carriers (Air France) have their own procedures for stopping random or non-random passengers on the jetway for frisking and hand luggage inspection.
  • British Airways has a random alarm in its boarding pass reader, but this typically just triggers a hand luggage inspection.
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Old Mar 18, 17, 1:09 pm
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The source is travelling far too much and getting irritated by pointless security measures.
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Old Mar 19, 17, 9:22 am
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Also some countries can require that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected. This accounts for a large number of SSSS on the flight from that country, but PRECHECK on the connecting flights. TSA decides if you get Pre. However the foreign government can still require you be a selectee. I get this flying through LHR with VS/DL periodically. Even now that both are PreCheck airlines.
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Old Mar 20, 17, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO View Post
Also some countries can require that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected. This accounts for a large number of SSSS on the flight from that country, but PRECHECK on the connecting flights. TSA decides if you get Pre. However the foreign government can still require you be a selectee. I get this flying through LHR with VS/DL periodically. Even now that both are PreCheck airlines.
At LHR for VS/DL flights, it's not the UK requiring this. For those flights from the UK to the US, it's the US Government's doing. So if this situation is one that hits and you want those responsible for it to look into a complaint about this: contact the US Government and the operating carrier, as the UK isn't in the prime positions to address a passenger complaint about this on flights from the UK to the US on DL/VS.

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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
At LHR for VS/DL flights, it's not the UK requiring this. For those flights from the UK to the US, it's the US Government's doing. So if this situation is one that hits and you want those responsible for it to look into a complaint about this: contact the US Government and the operating carrier, as the UK isn't in the prime positions to address a passenger complaint about this on flights from the UK to the US on DL/VS.
Strange since I've gotten SSSS on a VS LHR-JNB ticket that had no US segments. Of any country the UK is the one that I get SSSS from/to the most.
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Old Mar 20, 17, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO View Post
Strange since I've gotten SSSS on a VS LHR-JNB ticket that had no US segments. Of any country the UK is the one that I get SSSS from/to the most.
Regarding: "Also some countries can require that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected. This accounts for a large number of SSSS on the flight from that country, but PRECHECK on the connecting flights. TSA decides if you get Pre. However the foreign government can still require you be a selectee. I get this flying through LHR with VS/DL periodically. Even now that both are PreCheck airlines."

There are PreCheck outcomes for flights connecting outside of the US on non-US carriers? That would be news to my eyes if so; but I've seen no evidence of that. And so I read the above words to be about travel to the US. The only "foreign" government requiring "this" (i.e. "that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected" on travel to the US is the US. That's the party to which a complaint about this should be directed if it keeps bothering someone on their trips.

I am pretty sure that South Africa still doesn't tell DL or VS "that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected" for extra screening on flights to JNB. But you're welcome to hit up the South African government to see if "this" is still the case. Otherwise, there's no point in complaining to the South African government about a gate search at LHR; instead concerns about such flagging issues should be addressed to the government that drove the flagging issue and the airline which checked you in and/or is operating the flight with such search; those are the parties that are most capable of reducing the chances of this hitting again.

For flights to the US from LHR, it's the US and operating carrier that drive the flagging. The UK (as in the government) doesn't have a rule "that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected" for flights from the UK.
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Old Mar 21, 17, 1:06 pm
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Never said PreCheck came into play. I was replying to the fact that it was stated (in reply to post about when SSSS when connecting to US) that only the US government tells airlines to pick passengers for SSSS. Some do, and thus offered the example of it happening when not connecting to US.
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Originally Posted by flyerCO View Post
Never said PreCheck came into play. I was replying to the fact that it was stated (in reply to post about when SSSS when connecting to US) that only the US government tells airlines to pick passengers for SSSS. Some do, and thus offered the example of it happening when not connecting to US.
Either way, the example you provided is not a case of a (non-US) government telling a carrier in another country to "require that X Percentage/number of passengers be randomly selected". The example you provided is not a case of a non-US government requiring that selection. So if you want to complain about SSSS hits when flying DL/VS to/from/via LHR for those South African trips, then don't spend time trying to get the UK or South Africa to fix it; the USG and the operating carriers are the ones best situated to deal with the matter if they so desire.
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Old Apr 18, 17, 10:43 am
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They put me on the "list"

Been crossing into the US ever since ever and never encountered any issues. Have Global entry and also enjoyed TSA Pre-Check priviliges on my boarding pass. However last two times crossing the border from Canada I was refered to secondary inspection because part of my name is matching some one on their watch list. I thought the point of global entry with your finger prints, iris scan and being a trusted traveller means there is 0 chance of someone else being me.

What are my options at this point?
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Old Apr 18, 17, 11:54 am
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Moving thread to the TS/S Forum. Please follow there.
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Old Apr 18, 17, 12:32 pm
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this happened to DH

He was recommended by CBP at JFK to go into the GE office here in Sf and report this. He did and the GE agent went in the back, came out and said it was all fixed. Never knew exactly what the problem was but it seems to have gone away.
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Old Apr 20, 17, 10:49 am
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"Enhanced" screening when you fly a different airline?

My background:
- Global Entry / Precheck. I did my GE interview about 2 years ago and have flown extensively since.
- U.S. citizen, Caucasian male
- Regularly fly AA and WN, but have my KTN added to other FF accounts as well.

In the past year, I've flown approximately 50 total segments on AA and WN, plus about 6 on United. On all of these, I book via the airline directly and use the "native" FFP and my KTN. Across all of these, I have had 0 cases where (a) Precheck didn't print on the BP or (b) I was selected for "enhanced" screening.

This year, I've begun flying a little bit of AS. I book via Alaskaair.com and manually enter my AA Gold number and KTN. In 5 total segments so far, all 5 of them have had either (a) Precheck not print on the BP or (b) enhanced screening at the airport. Since those enhanced screenings are cases where Precheck did print on the BP, I can rule out a website issue where it did not recognize my KTN.

They say it's "random", but simple math would indicate that this is an incredibly minute possibility. So I'm wondering: what is it about my pattern that suggests I'm a threat when I fly Alaska, but clearly not when I fly AA or WN?

In one of the "enhanced" cases, there wasn't any line-of-sight between the ID checker and the person who pulled me out for screening.

The intensity of the pat-down has increased sharply from the last time I got one a couple years ago. It's an experience I'd rather avoid in the future if possible, but unless someone has other ideas, that might mean I should stick with AA/WN, even though the AS nonstops are really nice.

All other aspects of my travel are similar between the AA/WN and AS trips. Lots of domestic flights + a few international flights, lots of short business trips, business-casual dress, laptop bag + same carry-on, etc.

Thoughts?
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Old Apr 21, 17, 12:15 pm
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Next time you get an AS BP without 'precheck', tweet Ask TSA. They'll ask you to DM your name, flight info, reservation number to look into it. There have been follow-up 'thanks' tweets in the past indicating something was resolved. That may or may not also fix the issue where you get precheck + enhanced attention.

You might delete your information and re-enter it into your AS profile. It's an incredibly long shot, but it's possible that when you have gotten Pre on AS, it's been 'free Pre', ie, based on your flying habits/status, not because your name/KTN/DOB are all correct. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened with Pre.

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