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ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A

Old Jun 23, 14, 11:17 pm
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US/Canadian-issued ABTC can only be used to access the APEC/Crew/Diplomat lane. It does not replace/waive any visa requirements. Chinese embassy webpages mentioning visa not being required is for ABTC with CHN endorsed on the back. No US/Canadian-issued ABTC will have that endorsement.


Locations confirmed up and running:
AUS
BOS (Logan) only one of the two signature pads was working (late nov 2014)
BOS (Logan) still only 1 signature panel working, and a bit of confusion, but it all worked out (Jan 2015)
CVG (Minneola Pike)
EWR
IAD signature capture working in GE enrollment center; walk-in accepted after appointments accommodated - I was in the office for less than two minutes
IAH (outside security in E, no word on inside security GE office yet)
JFK (walk-in accepted; entrance directly across from Central Diner on arrivals level, T-4)
LAS
LAX
Long Beach, CA (downtown CBP Seaport offices, not LGB airport); posted as No Walk In, but may accommodate just the signature capture
MIA
MCO
ORD
PHX (Terminal 4, behind #6 baggage carousel)
SEA (Nexus office)
SFO (walk-in)
TUS (walk-in accepted)
Washington, DC/Reagan Bldg. walked in, only person there, signature captured, walked out, all within 5 minutes
YYZ (Nexus office)
YVR (Nexus office)

Usage Experience Updates:

BKK - 11/11/14 - success, 03/19/17 - success, 05/10/17 - success
CGK - 02/20/15 - denied (exit), 05/10/17 - success (exit), 08/20/17 - success (entry)
CRK - 10/28/16 - success, but only 30 days, not 59 days for no-endorsement US issued ABTC.
CTU - 03/18/16 - denied -(APAC lane has limited hours)
CUN - 12/30/17 & 12/27/19 - success (with family) but difficult to enter express lane due to pushback from line monitor
DMK - 9/20/17 inbound - success, had to go under lane ropes; use Official/Diplomatic, not Crew. No APEC markings.
DPS - 03/08/15 - success but with pushback (exit)
GMP - 09/18/14 - success, 03/18/15 - success (arrival)
HKG - 09/21/14 - success, 02/28/15 - success, 02/29/15 - success (exit), 3/18/17 success, 3/19/17 - success (exit)
HND - 07/30/14 - success
ICN - 09/13/14 - success, 03/24/25 - success (departure)
KUL - 03/10/16 - success
MEX - 06/28/15 - success, 7/11/17 - success
MNL - 11/27/2015 - success (T1) (business visa not necessary for U.S. citizens) 59 days (depends on agent training. Most give 59, some give only 30, (Oct 2018))
NRT - 12/1/2014 - success both inbound and outbound immigration (visa not needed); 9/25/17 - inbound success
PEK - 07/25/14 - success (T3)
POM - 11/01/15 - denied, PNG immigration has a sign saying "only endorsed ABTC cards"
PVG - 07/24/14 - success (T2)
PVR - 11/2018, 4/2021 success (with family)
SGN - 09/04/2014 - success (visa on arrival), 02/15/2017 - denied (visa on arrival)
SHA - 11/10/2014 - success
SJD - 6/2017 & 6/2018 - success (with family)
SIN - 2/3/2016 - denied, 5/3/2017 - success; 9/16/17 - success at APEC lane
TPE - 07/24/14 - success (T2), 9/30 - success (T1), 10/12 - Denied (T2), 02/24/2015 - success (T1), 5/11 & 5/13 - success (T1)
YUL - 11/2014 - success inbound (repeatedly into 2016 via dip line)
YVR - 06/2015 - success inbound
YYZ - 07/2016 - Success inbound
SCL - 04/02/2017 - Success inbound
LIM - 12/04/2017 - Success inbound

China land crossings from HK:
Lo Wu, Lok Ma Chau, Huanggang, Shenzhen Bay - 09/29/14 reported - success

China Train crossings from HK:
Dongguan and Guangzhou - 09/29/14 reported - success
Hung Hom (Hong Kong's International Train Station) - 04/30/15 - success in both directions

China Seaports from HK/Macau:
Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai and Baoan and and Macau/China ferry terminal in Hong Kong - 09/29/14 reported - success

[On all above China-HK crossings look, to use ABTC to enter/exit China, look for the "Special" counters]

For CGK: Go to line marked 3 on left side just before main immigration hall. If you get to line in main hall you've gone too far. Do not use crew line.
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ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A

Old Feb 28, 18, 4:18 pm
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So I just realized something... my ABTC expires in January 2019. There's a possibility that the CBP will no longer participate after the September 2018 renewal. Any renewals before, that, according to what I read on the CBP site, will be honored and valid until the card expires, but they may stop issuing cards after september. My Passport expires in 2020 along with my Global Entry.

So, I guess my question is, does it make sense to renew my passport now, which will renew it through 2028 and renew my ABTC for 5 years as soon as the Passport is renewed, which will give me coverage until 2023?
As I understand it, my ABTC renewal will only be valid until 2020 if I do it first, right? so there's no point in renewing for 5 years until my passport has at least 5 more years of validity.
And what are the chances that CBP will actually drop APEC cards?
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Old Feb 28, 18, 4:35 pm
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On a related question, how early can you apply to renew your ABTC? Mine expires 2020, but I just received a new 10-year passport (yes, you can have 2 passports).

So if the program may terminate, the better play would be to apply for renewal by Sept 2018.
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Old Feb 28, 18, 5:14 pm
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The renewal button comes up at 30 days before expiration.
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Old Feb 28, 18, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Jeff View Post
So I just realized something... my ABTC expires in January 2019. There's a possibility that the CBP will no longer participate after the September 2018 renewal. Any renewals before, that, according to what I read on the CBP site, will be honored and valid until the card expires, but they may stop issuing cards after september.
...
And what are the chances that CBP will actually drop APEC cards?
Considering Congress passed a law to make ABTC participation permanent last summer, very low. If the CBP web page you read still lists the Sep 2018 date, it's out of date.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ew=closed#tabs
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Old Feb 28, 18, 5:56 pm
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ABTC sunset clause removed November 2017.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trus...ct-2017-a.html
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Old Feb 28, 18, 7:18 pm
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Oh, well damn... Thanks @RandomNobody and @seawolf. Indeed it does seem that the page I found earlier was out of date. Thanks for those links! Nothing to worry about now
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Old Mar 3, 18, 7:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Jeff View Post
So I just realized something... my ABTC expires in January 2019. There's a possibility that the CBP will no longer participate after the September 2018 renewal. Any renewals before, that, according to what I read on the CBP site, will be honored and valid until the card expires, but they may stop issuing cards after september. My Passport expires in 2020 along with my Global Entry.

So, I guess my question is, does it make sense to renew my passport now, which will renew it through 2028 and renew my ABTC for 5 years as soon as the Passport is renewed, which will give me coverage until 2023?
As I understand it, my ABTC renewal will only be valid until 2020 if I do it first, right? so there's no point in renewing for 5 years until my passport has at least 5 more years of validity.
And what are the chances that CBP will actually drop APEC cards?
Just FYI, a tiny detail: APEC cards are good for 3 years, not 5 years.

Edit: looks like renewals may be 5 year after all?

Last edited by paranoiatx; Mar 3, 18 at 7:19 pm Reason: new info
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Old Mar 3, 18, 8:49 pm
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US/CAN ABTC are valid 5 years for those issued since late 2016 after APEC agreed on a 5 years validity in September 2015
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Old Mar 4, 18, 1:57 am
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Originally Posted by paranoiatx View Post
Edit: looks like renewals may be 5 year after all?
Mine was for 5 years, 11 months:

ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A
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Old Mar 5, 18, 9:28 am
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Yeah, @seawolf and @RandomNobody to the rescue again

https://ttp.cbp.dhs.gov/faq?lang=en
An ABTC expires in five years or when the passport associated to the ABTC application expires, whichever is sooner. The expiration date will be printed on the card.

At least THAT part of the CBP website is accurate.

This, on the other hand, is where I got the outdated info about the Sept 2018 deadline:
https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-t...rams/apec-faqs
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Old Mar 6, 18, 12:22 am
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Well after receiving my APEC card I was excited to try and use it at the Shenzhen Bay border crossing from HK-China this Saturday morning. Unfortunately, I could see no signs for APEC card holders. Security staff pointed me to the regular foreigners line, which took about 30 minute wait as there were only 2 lines open and processing of foreigners seemed very slow with the new fingerprint requirements.

There was a "Special" lane, but that seemed filled with elderly Chinese citizens.

Anybody have some insight on Shenzhen bay? I saw some info in this thread that APEC lane was clearly marked. Unfortunately, I didn't see anything.

Ugh I miss crossing in the car but I think those days are over.
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Old Mar 7, 18, 2:07 am
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Originally Posted by synthkeys View Post
Well after receiving my APEC card I was excited to try and use it at the Shenzhen Bay border crossing from HK-China this Saturday morning. Unfortunately, I could see no signs for APEC card holders. Security staff pointed me to the regular foreigners line, which took about 30 minute wait as there were only 2 lines open and processing of foreigners seemed very slow with the new fingerprint requirements.

There was a "Special" lane, but that seemed filled with elderly Chinese citizens.

Anybody have some insight on Shenzhen bay? I saw some info in this thread that APEC lane was clearly marked. Unfortunately, I didn't see anything.

Ugh I miss crossing in the car but I think those days are over.
You're supposed to use the "Special" lane. When I was there in January, there was clear signage in English, on who was eligible to use the special lane. APEC was listed on it.
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Old Mar 14, 18, 9:56 am
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For JFK T8, does anyone know which lane APEC card holders should be using? Is it on the far left of the immigration area?
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Old Mar 16, 18, 10:44 am
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Any experiences in Cancun? Did a search but didn't find anything. Traveling with family but there's a tripadvisor thread suggesting agents in CUN were cool with this.

Thanks in advance - Jamie
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Old Mar 22, 18, 8:37 am
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4/4 success in recent trip to Asia
inbound at TPE
outbound at TSA (Songshan in Taipei)
Inbound at HND
outbound at NRT

amazing. Arrived in TPE at 930 pm, immigration was a ZOO. Colleagues arrived 2 hours before me and I beat them to the waiting car service. HND much the same. APEC Lin had 0 wait at all 4 immigration checks. HND officer was confused by the back having no endorsements but his colleague quickly set him straight.

Question, as a US citizen can I use this for entry / exit Canadian airports?
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