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ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A

ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A

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US/Canadian-issued ABTC can only be used to access the APEC/Crew/Diplomat lane. It does not replace/waive any visa requirements. Chinese embassy webpages mentioning visa not being required is for ABTC with CHN endorsed on the back. No US/Canadian-issued ABTC will have that endorsement.


Locations confirmed up and running:
AUS
BOS (Logan) only one of the two signature pads was working (late nov 2014)
BOS (Logan) still only 1 signature panel working, and a bit of confusion, but it all worked out (Jan 2015)
CVG (Minneola Pike)
EWR
IAD signature capture working in GE enrollment center; walk-in accepted after appointments accommodated - I was in the office for less than two minutes
IAH (outside security in E, no word on inside security GE office yet)
JFK (walk-in accepted; entrance directly across from Central Diner on arrivals level, T-4)
LAS
LAX
Long Beach, CA (downtown CBP Seaport offices, not LGB airport); posted as No Walk In, but may accommodate just the signature capture
MIA
MCO
ORD
PHX (Terminal 4, behind #6 baggage carousel)
SEA (Nexus office)
SFO (walk-in)
TUS (walk-in accepted)
Washington, DC/Reagan Bldg. walked in, only person there, signature captured, walked out, all within 5 minutes
YYZ (Nexus office)
YVR (Nexus office)

Usage Experience Updates:

BKK - 11/11/14 - success, 03/19/17 - success, 05/10/17 - success
CGK - 02/20/15 - denied (exit), 05/10/17 - success (exit), 08/20/17 - success (entry)
CRK - 10/28/16 - success, but only 30 days, not 59 days for no-endorsement US issued ABTC.
CTU - 03/18/16 - denied -(APAC lane has limited hours)
CUN - 12/30/17 - success (with family)
DMK - 9/20/17 inbound - success, had to go under lane ropes; use Official/Diplomatic, not Crew. No APEC markings.
DPS - 03/08/15 - success but with pushback (exit)
GMP - 09/18/14 - success, 03/18/15 - success (arrival)
HKG - 09/21/14 - success, 02/28/15 - success, 02/29/15 - success (exit), 3/18/17 success, 3/19/17 - success (exit)
HND - 07/30/14 - success
ICN - 09/13/14 - success, 03/24/25 - success (departure)
KUL - 03/10/16 - success
MEX - 06/28/15 - success, 7/11/17 - success
MNL - 11/27/2015 - success (T1) (business visa not necessary for U.S. citizens) 59 days (depends on agent training. Most give 59, some give only 30, (Oct 2018))
NRT - 12/1/2014 - success both inbound and outbound immigration (visa not needed); 9/25/17 - inbound success
PEK - 07/25/14 - success (T3)
POM - 11/01/15 - denied, PNG immigration has a sign saying "only endorsed ABTC cards"
PVG - 07/24/14 - success (T2)
PVR - 11/17/18 - success (with family)
SGN - 09/04/2014 - success (visa on arrival), 02/15/2017 - denied (visa on arrival)
SHA - 11/10/2014 - success
SJD - 6/2017 & 6/2018 - success (with family)
SIN - 2/3/2016 - denied, 5/3/2017 - success; 9/16/17 - success at APEC lane
TPE - 07/24/14 - success (T2), 9/30 - success (T1), 10/12 - Denied (T2), 02/24/2015 - success (T1), 5/11 & 5/13 - success (T1)
YUL - 11/2014 - success inbound (repeatedly into 2016 via dip line)
YVR - 06/2015 - success inbound
YYZ - 07/2016 - Success inbound
SCL - 04/02/2017 - Success inbound
LIM - 12/04/2017 - Success inbound

China land crossings from HK:
Lo Wu, Lok Ma Chau, Huanggang, Shenzhen Bay - 09/29/14 reported - success

China Train crossings from HK:
Dongguan and Guangzhou - 09/29/14 reported - success
Hung Hom (Hong Kong's International Train Station) - 04/30/15 - success in both directions

China Seaports from HK/Macau:
Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai and Baoan and and Macau/China ferry terminal in Hong Kong - 09/29/14 reported - success

[On all above China-HK crossings look, to use ABTC to enter/exit China, look for the "Special" counters]

For CGK: Go to line marked 3 on left side just before main immigration hall. If you get to line in main hall you've gone too far. Do not use crew line.


No Working Equipment as of Reported Date:
AMS - 06/03/14 - indicated GEEC outside of U.S. not expected to do ABTC at all
Blaine Nexus office - 6/23/14
Houston downtown city hall office - 07/2014 - no signature reader
PDX - 6/21/14
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Old Aug 14, 18, 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by WoodyWindy View Post
You have pretty much summed it up for US/CA based travelers. Given that Congress just passed a long-term/permanent extension, maybe we'll get past this whole "transitional" thing, and start working on endorsements. (OK, rose-colored glasses, but a guy's gotta have a dream...)
I think the inclusion of endorsements would actually make things worse, as I could see more places/officers trying to kick you out of the queue if you don't have their countries endorsement.
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Old Aug 14, 18, 4:49 am
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APEC card is now virtually useless at DMK arrivals.

To 'promote' tourism from China, they turned 50% of their previously 'Foreigner' immigration queues into 'China Passport Only' lanes. That shouldn't have been an issue for us with APEC...wrong.

Now that the China-only queues are directly next to APEC/Diplomat/Priority counter, they are filtering all babies, and their extended families now into it. On Friday, a typical 5min wait took me 35... as there were 7 babies, and 20 or so family members in the queue when I arrived. The entire time I stood and waited, a dedicated immigration officer was spending her time finding the families from the China queues and bringing them in.

By the time I cleared the line was twice as long as when I arrived, so an hour for anyone arriving at the back...
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Old Aug 14, 18, 1:53 pm
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And the regular queues are even longer.

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Old Sep 11, 18, 12:20 pm
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APEC and Renewed Passport (US)

I just received a renewed passport.

I have updated my passport information on TTP website. I also noticed a place to request a new APEC card, which I did.

I actually only recently received my initial APEC card and, obviously, it has my old PP number.

I have travel to HKG in a couple days and will not likely receive my new APEC card before traveling. Will I be able to use the existing card if I have both passports with me? TIA

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Old Sep 11, 18, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by beermati View Post
I just received a renewed passport.

I have updated my passport information on TTP website. I also noticed a place to request a new APEC card, which I did.

I actually only recently received my initial APEC card and, obviously, it has my old PP number.

I have travel to HKG in a couple days and will not likely receive my new APEC card before traveling. Will I be able to use the existing card if I have both passports with me? TIA
Depends on HK immigration officer.
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Old Sep 11, 18, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by seawolf View Post
Depends on HK immigration officer.
I entered HK with an expired card that I didn't realize had been expired - my experience was the same regardless and pretty much identical every time. HK immigration person who looks completely disinterested picks up the card, gives it a cursory glance, rolls their eyes, hands it back, throws the entry receipt into my passport, rolls their eyes, hands it back, looks at their watch/ceiling/floor/computer/colleague, I leave.

Now when I went to register for E-gate, that inspector had a careful look, saw it was expired and told me so, and I had to use my airline status to get E-gate instead.
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Old Sep 12, 18, 5:20 am
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I think you won’t have a problem in HKG given the situation and your ABTC card shows it’s not expired.

E-Gate is the way to go, though if you travel to HKG. You can qualify with gold level status, or if you have had three entries in the past year.
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Old Sep 12, 18, 10:03 am
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Thanks - I'll check into E-Gate. I'm usually through HK 2 or 3 times each year. It happens that this will be my third entry in 12 months and I am AA CK, so I qualify via status, also. I wasn't aware about the status qualification.
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Old Sep 13, 18, 1:08 am
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Thanks - I'll check into E-Gate. I'm usually through HK 2 or 3 times each year. It happens that this will be my third entry in 12 months and I am AA CK, so I qualify via status, also. I wasn't aware about the status qualification.
Just in case you didn't already know, the E-Gate office is just after the immigration officer booths. After you get stamped in, they will direct you to the room. It only takes about five minutes and hopefully there won't be many in front of you. The officer will place a barcode sticker on the back of your passport. Next time in, you just insert your passport into the reader, do a scan of your fingerprints, the gate opens and you're in. There is never a queue and the other plus is you don't get a space wasting stamp in your passport.
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Old Sep 13, 18, 1:40 am
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There is never a queue and the other plus is you don't get a space wasting stamp in your passport.
I didn't think non-e Gate HK passports get a stamp (last 8 years, I've always had the ticket put into my passport)...
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Old Sep 13, 18, 4:41 am
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I finally signed into the new Trusted Traveler web site to renew my APEC card. Updated login/registration process went smoothly. The new site was clean and functional, performant, and it was easy to navigate and find the information I needed to renew, update personal information, etc... Kudos to whoever built it.

Also kudos to the renewal process itself, which was quick and painless. Immediate approval, and notice that I'll be getting my updated card within 3 weeks.

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Old Nov 27, 18, 7:03 pm
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Iíve tried using my card twice at SJD. First time no problem. Second time the immigration officer said the queue was for diplomats only that the APEC ABTC card was not recognized. What documentation can I print and carry with me so that next time if the officer is not familiar with the program I can provide him with the information needed to inform him? I was looking for something official that states which Mexican airports participate but I canít find anything.
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Old Nov 27, 18, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Leopardz View Post
Iíve tried using my card twice at SJD. First time no problem. Second time the immigration officer said the queue was for diplomats only that the APEC ABTC card was not recognized. What documentation can I print and carry with me so that next time if the officer is not familiar with the program I can provide him with the information needed to inform him? I was looking for something official that states which Mexican airports participate but I canít find anything.
You can send an email to [email protected] or call +55 5387 2400 ext. 18594 and / or 18429.

Source: Instituto Nacional de Migraciůn | Acciones y Programas | Tarjeta de Viaje de Negocios APEC
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Old Nov 28, 18, 7:44 am
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Just wanted to say that I've used my APEC card to get into Taiwan (via TPE) many times over the last several years and it's been a great thing to have. Even if I still have to wait for my luggage to appear, it's so very nice not having to stand in a giant crowd queuing for the non-citizen border control lanes.

That said, I've used this card for nearly 4 years now, and ONLY NOW finally found where the "secret" APEC security and out-bound border crossing is at TPE. HOLY COW! It took me no more than 5 minutes to get through the security theatre AND the border control, I was the only one in line. And unless you know where it is, you'd probably never see it, because there were no signs. In fact, I had to walk up and ask the security agent if this was the APEC line due to the lack of signage.

So pro-tip if you're like me and have not seen this line before... it's directly behind the United counters in Terminal 2 at TPE. You go through an unlabeled door directly behind the United counters, at the end of that hall take a right and the security line is straight ahead (you pass a visa window on your left). I would never have found this had the United agent not noticed my APEC card and pointed it out to me. So kudos to a greate UA agent for helping me avoid the insane security lines at TPE.
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Old Nov 28, 18, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Jeff View Post
Just wanted to say that I've used my APEC card to get into Taiwan (via TPE) many times over the last several years and it's been a great thing to have. Even if I still have to wait for my luggage to appear, it's so very nice not having to stand in a giant crowd queuing for the non-citizen border control lanes.

That said, I've used this card for nearly 4 years now, and ONLY NOW finally found where the "secret" APEC security and out-bound border crossing is at TPE. HOLY COW! It took me no more than 5 minutes to get through the security theatre AND the border control, I was the only one in line. And unless you know where it is, you'd probably never see it, because there were no signs. In fact, I had to walk up and ask the security agent if this was the APEC line due to the lack of signage.

So pro-tip if you're like me and have not seen this line before... it's directly behind the United counters in Terminal 2 at TPE. You go through an unlabeled door directly behind the United counters, at the end of that hall take a right and the security line is straight ahead (you pass a visa window on your left). I would never have found this had the United agent not noticed my APEC card and pointed it out to me. So kudos to a greate UA agent for helping me avoid the insane security lines at TPE.
Yes, not only is the entrance well hidden, but if you ask the airport staff, they will strong-arm you over to the regular line and claim there is no APEC.

Note, this entrance has limited hours - usually at 4pm they close, so you need to do the regular security line, but you can swing over to the far left and use the APEC/Diplomat immigration counter for your exit if the regular counters are backed up.
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