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ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A

ABTC/APEC Business Travel Card for US/Canadian Citizens: Updates, Experiences, Q&A

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US/Canadian-issued ABTC can only be used to access the APEC/Crew/Diplomat lane. It does not replace/waive any visa requirements. Chinese embassy webpages mentioning visa not being required is for ABTC with CHN endorsed on the back. No US/Canadian-issued ABTC will have that endorsement.


Locations confirmed up and running:
AUS
BOS (Logan) only one of the two signature pads was working (late nov 2014)
BOS (Logan) still only 1 signature panel working, and a bit of confusion, but it all worked out (Jan 2015)
CVG (Minneola Pike)
EWR
IAD signature capture working in GE enrollment center; walk-in accepted after appointments accommodated - I was in the office for less than two minutes
IAH (outside security in E, no word on inside security GE office yet)
JFK (walk-in accepted; entrance directly across from Central Diner on arrivals level, T-4)
LAS
LAX
Long Beach, CA (downtown CBP Seaport offices, not LGB airport); posted as No Walk In, but may accommodate just the signature capture
MIA
MCO
ORD
PHX (Terminal 4, behind #6 baggage carousel)
SEA (Nexus office)
SFO (walk-in)
TUS (walk-in accepted)
Washington, DC/Reagan Bldg. walked in, only person there, signature captured, walked out, all within 5 minutes
YYZ (Nexus office)
YVR (Nexus office)

Usage Experience Updates:

BKK - 11/11/14 - success, 03/19/17 - success, 05/10/17 - success
CGK - 02/20/15 - denied (exit), 05/10/17 - success (exit), 08/20/17 - success (entry)
CRK - 10/28/16 - success, but only 30 days, not 59 days for no-endorsement US issued ABTC.
CTU - 03/18/16 - denied -(APAC lane has limited hours)
CUN - 12/30/17 - success (with family)
DMK - 9/20/17 inbound - success, had to go under lane ropes; use Official/Diplomatic, not Crew. No APEC markings.
DPS - 03/08/15 - success but with pushback (exit)
GMP - 09/18/14 - success, 03/18/15 - success (arrival)
HKG - 09/21/14 - success, 02/28/15 - success, 02/29/15 - success (exit), 3/18/17 success, 3/19/17 - success (exit)
HND - 07/30/14 - success
ICN - 09/13/14 - success, 03/24/25 - success (departure)
KUL - 03/10/16 - success
MEX - 06/28/15 - success, 7/11/17 - success
MNL - 11/27/2015 - success (T1) (business visa not necessary for U.S. citizens) 59 days (depends on agent training. Most give 59, some give only 30, (Oct 2018))
NRT - 12/1/2014 - success both inbound and outbound immigration (visa not needed); 9/25/17 - inbound success
PEK - 07/25/14 - success (T3)
POM - 11/01/15 - denied, PNG immigration has a sign saying "only endorsed ABTC cards"
PVG - 07/24/14 - success (T2)
PVR - 11/17/18 - success (with family)
SGN - 09/04/2014 - success (visa on arrival), 02/15/2017 - denied (visa on arrival)
SHA - 11/10/2014 - success
SJD - 6/2017 & 6/2018 - success (with family)
SIN - 2/3/2016 - denied, 5/3/2017 - success; 9/16/17 - success at APEC lane
TPE - 07/24/14 - success (T2), 9/30 - success (T1), 10/12 - Denied (T2), 02/24/2015 - success (T1), 5/11 & 5/13 - success (T1)
YUL - 11/2014 - success inbound (repeatedly into 2016 via dip line)
YVR - 06/2015 - success inbound
YYZ - 07/2016 - Success inbound
SCL - 04/02/2017 - Success inbound
LIM - 12/04/2017 - Success inbound

China land crossings from HK:
Lo Wu, Lok Ma Chau, Huanggang, Shenzhen Bay - 09/29/14 reported - success

China Train crossings from HK:
Dongguan and Guangzhou - 09/29/14 reported - success
Hung Hom (Hong Kong's International Train Station) - 04/30/15 - success in both directions

China Seaports from HK/Macau:
Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai and Baoan and and Macau/China ferry terminal in Hong Kong - 09/29/14 reported - success

[On all above China-HK crossings look, to use ABTC to enter/exit China, look for the "Special" counters]

For CGK: Go to line marked 3 on left side just before main immigration hall. If you get to line in main hall you've gone too far. Do not use crew line.


No Working Equipment as of Reported Date:
AMS - 06/03/14 - indicated GEEC outside of U.S. not expected to do ABTC at all
Blaine Nexus office - 6/23/14
Houston downtown city hall office - 07/2014 - no signature reader
PDX - 6/21/14
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Old Jul 6, 18, 7:40 am
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@xobile You don't mention which county you are applying from, but it looks like your are applying in the US. I got my APEC card last year in the US. Approval was almost immediate and I made an appointment next day for signature. At the appointment, CBP officer only asked me how often I travel to Asia for business. I don't know if he was looking at my statistics while I answered the question, but my answer was acceptable to him. The answer I gave him matched up with my travel patterns, I said "about 7 times per year"

While the APEC my approval stated that an appointment was not necessary for signature, I made one anyway since EWR had a lot of open slots. When I went for the signature, the CBP officer processing me asked if I had an appointment. I interpreted the tone and nature of his question that he would be annoyed if I didn't have an appointment. I'm not saying you should make one but it worked out for me.
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Old Jul 9, 18, 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by tide View Post
As others have mentioned here, DMK continues to be a problem for US ABTC. I've had success here in the past though.

Flew into DMK. Immigration officer (2 of them) denied me the use of line saying I needed a specific endorsement for Thailand. I had time and there was no one in line I was holding up (and regular lines were also short) so I asked for a supervisor. He came around and concurred with denial. At this point, another immigration officer came by (for a total of 4) and all concurred.

I asked the supervisor politely why this wasn't an issue at BKK and he said that (paraphrased) "BKK is BKK, this is DMK". My guess is, given the airlines that serve DMK, they do not see a lot of US ABTCs.

In the end, as a "one-time exception" they let me through. In the future, if regular lines are short, I will use the regular lines instead at DMK.
I went through DMK last week. Not only was my ABTC accepted without question, they stamped me in for 90-days.

No, I do not have another visa. My Non-Imm B expired months ago.
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Old Jul 14, 18, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Always Flyin View Post
I went through DMK last week. Not only was my ABTC accepted without question, they stamped me in for 90-days.

No, I do not have another visa. My Non-Imm B expired months ago.
Is yours US issued? Because you qualify for neither visa on arrival nor visa exemption for a 90 day business visit unless your ABTC is issued with pre-clearance.
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Old Jul 15, 18, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by kyanar View Post
Is yours US issued? Because you qualify for neither visa on arrival nor visa exemption for a 90 day business visit unless your ABTC is issued with pre-clearance.
There may be some agent (in)discretion here. While the participating member country isn't required to grant access to the transitional members' citizens without a traditional visa, there is nothing in the ABTC agreement that prevents them from doing so (local law may be another matter...). Personally, I wouldn't count on it happening, but I certainly wouldn't complain if it did!
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Old Jul 15, 18, 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by WoodyWindy View Post
There may be some agent (in)discretion here. While the participating member country isn't required to grant access to the transitional members' citizens without a traditional visa, there is nothing in the ABTC agreement that prevents them from doing so (local law may be another matter...).
It's got nothing to do with transitional members as such, but everything to do with the endorsements on the back of the card. If a card isn't endorsed for a country, then you haven't been pre-approved for that country, so you can't use your ABTC card as a visa substitute if a visa is required.

It's not a matter of whether you're going to get into the country or not, it's a matter of whether you're going to be able to get on the plane. Without a visa, you should be denied boarding at your departure point - at least not without multiple levels of human error coming into play.

Saying there's nothing in the rules that say they can't let you in without the correct endorsement is a bit like saying there's nothing in the rules that say they can't let you in based on you showing your Starbucks card at the border. Whilst technically true, it's just not going to happen.
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Old Jul 15, 18, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by kyanar View Post
Is yours US issued?
Yes.

Originally Posted by kyanar View Post
Because you qualify for neither visa on arrival nor visa exemption for a 90 day business visit unless your ABTC is issued with pre-clearance.
I know, which is why I mentioned it here.

Originally Posted by WoodyWindy View Post
There may be some agent (in)discretion here. While the participating member country isn't required to grant access to the transitional members' citizens without a traditional visa, there is nothing in the ABTC agreement that prevents them from doing so (local law may be another matter...). Personally, I wouldn't count on it happening, but I certainly wouldn't complain if it did!
First time it has happened to me in any APEC country, but as to Thailand, I usually have a non-imm B anyway. It expired a few months ago and I haven't renewed it as I haven't needed it.

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It's got nothing to do with transitional members as such, but everything to do with the endorsements on the back of the card. If a card isn't endorsed for a country, then you haven't been pre-approved for that country, so you can't use your ABTC card as a visa substitute if a visa is required.

It's not a matter of whether you're going to get into the country or not, it's a matter of whether you're going to be able to get on the plane. Without a visa, you should be denied boarding at your departure point - at least not without multiple levels of human error coming into play.

Saying there's nothing in the rules that say they can't let you in without the correct endorsement is a bit like saying there's nothing in the rules that say they can't let you in based on you showing your Starbucks card at the border. Whilst technically true, it's just not going to happen.
Thailand is a visa free country for U.S. citizens for 30-day entries for non-business purposes.
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Old Jul 16, 18, 2:59 am
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FWIW, I was just through DMK a few weeks back and used my ABTC card. They stamped for 30 days (presumably tourist visa - it looks like H.30? and the expiry was 30 days out).

I think it is important that we separate the two facts - for my US-issued ABTC, I used it for the ability to use the diplomatic lane, but for visa purposes, relied on the tourist visa-free exception. While I appreciate that the stated use of ABTC is for business-only. this is one of the many times that immigration seemed fine to allow use of ABTC while traveling for leisure.

They are probably within their right to turn ABTC holders away if you don't have a business visa, but I have yet to experience that myself (and I don't think I've seen a story to that effect here).
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Old Jul 16, 18, 12:22 pm
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China Visa biz or tourist ?

Anyone have Chinese entry experience? Do you need to still get a full visa from USA ?
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Old Jul 16, 18, 2:27 pm
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You still need a visa

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Anyone have Chinese entry experience? Do you need to still get a full visa from USA ?
The card does not exempt you from needing a Chinese Visa. If you are going for business and not relying on a 72-hour tourist visa you will need to get a Chinese visa.
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Old Jul 16, 18, 3:11 pm
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The card does not exempt you from needing a Chinese Visa. If you are going for business and not relying on a 72-hour tourist visa you will need to get a Chinese visa.
Just one point to caution the OP - there is no 72 hour tourist visa - there is a 72 hour TRANSIT visa which has very specific requirements and is highly complex and the OP should carefully review the thread on that subject in the China travel forum. Using the APEC card to enter on a transit visa without any legitimate business purpose could be problematic, however the transit visa counter is often the same as the APEC counter, or at least the wait time is similar to be processed.
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Old Jul 23, 18, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen View Post
Just one point to caution the OP - there is no 72 hour tourist visa - there is a 72 hour TRANSIT visa which has very specific requirements and is highly complex and the OP should carefully review the thread on that subject in the China travel forum. Using the APEC card to enter on a transit visa without any legitimate business purpose could be problematic, however the transit visa counter is often the same as the APEC counter, or at least the wait time is similar to be processed.
Thanks for the correction!
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Originally Posted by bocastephen View Post
Just one point to caution the OP - there is no 72 hour tourist visa - there is a 72 hour TRANSIT visa which has very specific requirements and is highly complex and the OP should carefully review the thread on that subject in the China travel forum. Using the APEC card to enter on a transit visa without any legitimate business purpose could be problematic, however the transit visa counter is often the same as the APEC counter, or at least the wait time is similar to be processed.
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Thanks for the correction!
And to be truly pedantic, it's Transit WithOut Visa - TWOV: China 24, 72, and 144 hour Transit Without Visa ("TWOV") rules master thread
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Old Jul 26, 18, 7:34 pm
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I was recently in BKK and there was a premium lane pass handed to me together with the landing card. I was wondering whether that is the same entry as the ABTC entrance?
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Old Jul 27, 18, 4:49 am
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I was recently in BKK and there was a premium lane pass handed to me together with the landing card. I was wondering whether that is the same entry as the ABTC entrance?
Yes, those passes use the same fast track queues as the ABTC card. You have three choices:

The dedicated fast track lane located between the two main immigration halls, or;

The fast track lanes located inside the main immigration halls. Those are located on the far right side as you walk in.
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Old Aug 10, 18, 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by jvanyc View Post
Anyone have Chinese entry experience? Do you need to still get a full visa from USA ?
Ive used the ABTC in China probably going on a hundred times over the past several years and while they're usually a bit free and easy with the one person restriction (I've often brought a single friend or co-worker with me, although the rules specifically state it's just for the holder) as well as with the purpose of the visit (I only have a tourist visa and always check "visit" on my entry cards), they are NEVER free and easy with the visa requirement. You don't have to get the visa from the US, you can get it almost anywhere they have a consulate, but you must have one. That said, if you're a US citizen, you can get a 10 year multiple entry tourist visa for the same price that the former 1-2 year visas were.
I'm also a bit concerned with all the issues that Trump has been stirring up with China, so at some point they might decide to start hassling US travelers but so far the most serious issues have only been with "newbies" that hadn't encountered the transitional card with no visas on the back. They suddenly become confused, but a call to a supervisor sorts this out.
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