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Regarding another poster's comment about what happens if there is an irrop and you have to stay over 24 hours. Surely irrops of affect people traveling to "third" countries to. I am quite sure the Russian government people at DME understand that sometimes transit will be delayed over 24 hours.
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and to UA for this. They knew the complicated visa issue pertaining to DME, and it's not like MRs never existed prior to IAD-DME-IAD service. They should have trained their agents properly and there is nothing wrong with any of what the MRs are doing. If we can fly to SIN for 7 hours, you can bet FTers will fly to DME for 2 hours.
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and to UA for this. They knew the complicated visa issue pertaining to DME, and it's not like MRs never existed prior to IAD-DME-IAD service. They should have trained their agents properly and there is nothing wrong with any of what the MRs are doing. If we can fly to SIN for 7 hours, you can bet FTers will fly to DME for 2 hours.
On the other hand, if I had a RDM for everything UA personnel should know but don't, I'd be living in Int'l F. There are so many things that UA's frontline people don't consistently know that it's hard to claim with a straight face that they should know about the application of Russian visa rules to same-day turns at DME. Come on, even the email reply g_leyser received from the Russians doesn't make it clear whether MRs are officially kosher.
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and to UA for this. They knew the complicated visa issue pertaining to DME, and it's not like MRs never existed prior to IAD-DME-IAD service. They should have trained their agents properly and there is nothing wrong with any of what the MRs are doing. If we can fly to SIN for 7 hours, you can bet FTers will fly to DME for 2 hours.
But one question sticks in my mind which I think was asked earlier.
A traveller boards at IAD without a visa on a MR with a same day turn.
On arrival at DME, they do not board the return flight (or deliberately miss it), and instead attempt to pass through immigration. They are denied as they do not have a visa. Is UA fined? Or, they simply miss their connection inadvertently, through forgetfulness or falling asleep. They are therefore stranded. Again, what happens to them? Having missed the flight they have no valid ticket out of the country - with no visa they cannot enter the country. Again, is UA fined?
While these scenarios may appear unlikely, perhaps they explain why UA is reluctant to have same day turn MRs with no visa?
Or, of course, it could just be incompetence on their part.
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If any airline gets fined in such cases, the passenger ALSO gets fined. That is how it works.
You'd have to be pretty stupid (or rich) to go to sleep when you know full well your once a day flight takes off in an hour.
You'd have to be pretty stupid (or rich) to go to sleep when you know full well your once a day flight takes off in an hour.
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That's not true. In many instances, the fines are levied solely against the transporting carrier as the intent is to require airlines to affirmatively verify the documentation eligibility of the pax they're carrying.