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Tupolev 134 & 154 into Siberia + Yak-42, BA 789 J & S7 J

Tupolev 134 & 154 into Siberia + Yak-42, BA 789 J & S7 J

Old May 18, 19, 4:22 am
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Thank you all for your feedback! Next instalment coming soon. Just finishing up the trip now, sitting in Frankfurt SEN lounge. It was exhilarating and more than I expected in every way.

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Sounds like a great trip. Looking forward to hearing about it.
Thanks! It was. Now just need to post the rest.

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More coming very soon!

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This is very interesting. I was looking at Mirny through Google maps just a couple of days ago thanks to that big hole and I'm curious to see what kind of impression you will have of the place.
Need to work my way through a few flights first, but I promise you’ll see the hole.

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Wow great report thanks!

Was vodka gratis on the flight? lol
No alcoholic beverages were served in Y.

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Wow, great report so far. Looking forward to the rest of it - beautiful photos so far, and a fascinating trip thus far!
Thanks!

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This Tupolev looks really awful imo.
It was a Yakovlev Як-42, but if you don’t know that it’s definitely not the plane for you.

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Great report!

Thanks for sharing!
Thank you! More coming soon.

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My question as well. One needs the Vodka to kill off any bacteria from the inflight chicken.....

Great report so far - I am enjoying it, thank you.
Need. No. More. Vodka.

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I can't see the pictures. What am I doing wrong?
I’m sorry to hear that, sounds like it’s not a common problem. They show up fine where I’ve tried. Have you checked a different browser or eventually a VPN?
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Originally Posted by jlisi984 View Post


Need. No. More. Vodka.
That's patently false. There is no such thing as needing no more vodka.
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Izhavia back to Moscow

After nearly three glorious hours of shuteye, the alarm went off, and we wrapped our morning routines up so rapidly that we had time to go for a walk around Izhevsk.

Looking out through our window, a sunlit view of the Orthodox Church, though it was only 4:45 am.



Izhevsk is of particular note as during Soviet times it was a “closed city” (that is, special permit required and no foreigners) due to the local Kalashnikov factory. I would have loved to see the museum, and one can even try shooting all sorts of firearms for varying prices, but unfortunately Izhavia cancelled the midday Moscow flight from the schedule, and the only workable combination was taking the first flight out.

The area around the hotel is a typical planned Soviet centre - Tsum, Central square (surprisingly without patriotic name), Opera/Theatre, museum of some kind or another, movie theatre named “Россия” and lots of staircases. To ensure the capitalist flavour is represented, there’s also a KFC within this small radius and an Adidas for clothing.











Unfortunately we didn’t see what I presume to be a fountain because the whole square was closed for refurbishment. There, in the distance, one can just make out the start of the lake.



We ordered a Yandex.Taxi to whisk us to the airport, and asked him to stop off at an enroute post office to drop off our postcards. This was a great surprise to him, “so wait, those blue boxes are actually intended for sending mail? Like you put mail in them?”

A light rain was still falling, and cars cannot pull up directly in front of the terminal, leading to this picture of the Izhevsk Airport.



The airport was obviously the original, with lots of retrofitted booths selling various items or serving coffee.



P was told to check in his carry-on, but some sweet-talking lead the agent to give up and attach an “approved” tag to it.

Just after security, just as relaxed as in Moscow, I was greeted with a spectacular view of the Yak-42. In what universe do you pass security in an airport and see 4 Yak-42s on the tarmac?



Just a few moments later, I spotted a pilot walking towards the aircraft.



The terminal was very basic, but it was only 10 minutes until boarding started. Down some stairs and onto an Izhavia-branded bus for the short ride to a different Yak-42 than we had flown on the inbound flight the day before.



It quickly became obvious that we would board the aircraft the traditional, proper, intended way - through the rear integral airstairs. Not only is this a unique experience that has become exceedingly rare in 2019, but it provides for superb photographic opportunities - that is, if one is able to take pictures very discreetly. See, in Russia the aviation mentality hasn’t moved forward very much from Soviet times. Pre-flight security may be lax, decrepit Soviet airliners are still in the skies, flight attendants don’t pay much attention to reclined seats, baggage in exit rows, or anything else, really, except - and this is a big exception - photography. In general, photography is seen as a complete no-no anywhere government-related. Airports fall squarely into this category, and photographing airplanes, crew, etc. is always a sensitive subject. Luckily they (and by “they” I mean the special security guards who supervise boarding and the flight attendants) won’t throw you into a prison cell or confiscate your camera, but will issue a stern reprimand; this should be considered as your one and only warning, and any further escalation risking their ire is unadvised. Photographic tactics therefore have to be very surreptitious, and pictures have to be taken at the belt, without opportunities to frame and prepare your photo.









The staircase leads into the aircraft through a narrow metal tube - an outline identically matching the slope of the steps - and there is a heavy door, one I wouldn’t have been surprised to see on a submarine, to enter the aircraft.





Note the Cyrillic and Latin alphabet seat numbering.





I took the same seat as the day before, and unfortunately once again the flight was very full.



Right after take-off, there was a great view of the other Yak-42s parked at Izhevsk airport.



The T-tail throws a very characteristic shadow onto the wing, in case one needed yet another visual clue that the aircraft is remarkable.



Breakfast was served, a sandwich with ham and pickle and a packaged dessert.



Tea was served only after breakfast, and was poured directly from a teapot (similarly to SAS) - the flight attendant asks for your cup on a tray, takes it into the aisle, pours the boiling water, and passes the tray back to you.







The rear galley was rather small, and immediately behind it were the two toilets and the rear exit.



The rear exit is a beautiful sight in flight, the porthole window shows the outline of the stairs and light streaking in from beneath.



There was also a heavy phone, with a thick cord and lots of manual switches.





The washroom was rather unusual, not only in design but in the amenities. A kitchen paper towel holder, no toilet paper holder, a shoe brush and shoe polish. The seat was very far back due by an enormous rim - probably a result of Soviet over-engineering. The flush button was just a small black point, and in order to flush, it had to be pushed - and held - for as long as necessary.









Landing was smooth and on time - another noticeable point on the Yak-42 is the lack of thrust reversers. Combined with the unusual requirement for Soviet aircraft to actually have their engines on at considerable power for landing, it means there is an odd silence after the wheels hit the tarmac.





On the way out, I had the opportunity to take some more cabin pictures, including of the very solid, utilitarian overhead bin compartments.



The seats in all Soviet types fold over, a very useful feature (in those days) for affixing parcels/cargo in the passenger cabin, and also convenient for passengers in case of a low load - more legroom and a place to rest your feet.









In Domodedovo there was a display of vintage cars, which we passed on the way to rent our own car at Sixt.



The rental car had been pre-arranged for our arrival time, but nobody was at the desk, nor was anybody answering the many phone numbers we tried, both found online and posted at the desk. Eventually a man did arrive, with a quickly deflected apology for his tardiness, placing blame on the traffic. We had received an Audi A4, on account of P’s (and my) Diamond status with Sixt, and headed off for the day…



The day was beautiful, not a cloud in sight, beautiful sunshine, and a deep blue sky.

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Amazing photographs, especially considering how covertly you had to take them. I'm loving this. The Yak42 is such a relic. I had no idea it had those integrated rear airstairs.

So that photo through the porthole back to the stairs shows lots of light coming from around them - does that mean that area isn't really sealed at all, and it's the heavy 'submarine style' door (which your photo is taken through) which seals the cabin? If so it seems odd to have areas like that open to the wind and, presumably, adversely affecting the aerodynamics?
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Originally Posted by mad_atta View Post
Amazing photographs, especially considering how covertly you had to take them. I'm loving this. The Yak42 is such a relic. I had no idea it had those integrated rear airstairs.

So that photo through the porthole back to the stairs shows lots of light coming from around them - does that mean that area isn't really sealed at all, and it's the heavy 'submarine style' door (which your photo is taken through) which seals the cabin? If so it seems odd to have areas like that open to the wind and, presumably, adversely affecting the aerodynamics?
That’s right - basically past that porthole is “the outside”, so the pressurisation ends at the cabin door. As for lack of aerodynamics ... this is a plane that’s riveted together with flathead screws, has a shoe polish brush in the toilet, and a phone that looks like it came from a submarine (honestly, I expect there was a Soviet factory making these phones, and someone at the top said “go install this into a sub, a Yak and a weapons factory) - so any lack of engine aerodynamics is fixed with MORE ENGINES.
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Old May 18, 19, 11:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim View Post
That's patently false. There is no such thing as needing no more vodka.
I have a good memory and will remind you of your wise words one day.

Originally Posted by mad_atta View Post
Amazing photographs, especially considering how covertly you had to take them. I'm loving this. The Yak42 is such a relic. I had no idea it had those integrated rear airstairs.

So that photo through the porthole back to the stairs shows lots of light coming from around them - does that mean that area isn't really sealed at all, and it's the heavy 'submarine style' door (which your photo is taken through) which seals the cabin? If so it seems odd to have areas like that open to the wind and, presumably, adversely affecting the aerodynamics?
Yes, the rear airstair area is not sealed, the “submarine” door is the pressurisation point. I’m not sure if there are any negative impacts on aerodynamics, but one must remember Soviet engineering was focused on getting things to work and not to work best. As very well outlined in the book “Midnight in Chernobyl”, Soviet computers were so far behind their western counterparts that it took them many times longer to run a simple probability theory, therefore impacting the rest of technological advancement.

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That’s right - basically past that porthole is “the outside”, so the pressurisation ends at the cabin door. As for lack of aerodynamics ... this is a plane that’s riveted together with flathead screws, has a shoe polish brush in the toilet, and a phone that looks like it came from a submarine (honestly, I expect there was a Soviet factory making these phones, and someone at the top said “go install this into a sub, a Yak and a weapons factory) - so any lack of engine aerodynamics is fixed with MORE ENGINES.
This is another way of putting it.
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Great Trip Report so far, am looking forward to the rest.
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Monino

P loves driving, and his blind affection means he insists on sitting behind the wheel whenever he can. This extends to renting cars whenever possible - even in Moscow. I had heard extensively of the horrendous traffic in this city, but never experienced it firsthand. With the notion of a rental car firmly engrained in the plans for our 8-hour layover, we set about planning our day.

A suitable destination was found in the Central Air Museum in Monino. Seeing as our trip purpose was to fly antiquated planes, what better way to celebrate than to visit a museum displaying them? P had already visited Monino, but graciously offered to go there once again. Planning in advance on Google Maps, it seemed entirely feasible to rent the car, drive to Monino, and then drive to the city (and maybe have lunch at White Rabbit). I convinced P to set the car return for the city centre, so we could commit to a Aeroexpress train at a fixed time, guaranteeing we wouldn’t miss our 5:00 pm flight to Novosibirsk.

Alas, traffic was horrendous. The MKAD (Moscow’s main ring road) was hugely backed up for the length of our journey, and the alternative route wasn’t much better. After two hours of driving, we reached Monino, and once we were there and started calculating the time needed to get back to the airport, it quickly became apparent that our plans had become fictitious.



It was an ideal day for visiting this old Air Force base-turned-museum, and we had it practically entirely to ourselves. Ultimately, though, I have to say I liked the museum in Kiev much better. The planes in both locations were basically in the same state of (dis)repair - some were newly repainted and well-maintained, others were in a sorry state. In Ukraine, there were no barriers blocking us from walking around or under the planes. Another bonus is in Ukraine they will happily take your money to enter a number of the parked planes: all that is needed is a separate ticket purchased at the entrance gate. Here in Russia, though, no such privileges. There was a little pathway skirting the edge of the parked planes, but no close-up viewing and certainly no entry.



To be perfectly fair, however, there are some remarkable planes in Monino. Perhaps the main draw is the Tu-144, Russia’s answer to the Concorde (aka Concordski), which they claim flew first. This statement is factually correct, as the Tu-144 did first take to the air in 1968, vs. the Concorde in 1969. However, the Concorde entered into service a year earlier than the Tupolev, and the Tu-144 ultimately only flew 55 commercial flights in its entire airline career. Even the Wikipedia article on this plane has some fascinating insights and tales about this aircraft, such as the story of when most systems failed in flight on a special charter with press onboard. The Tupolev crisis centre estimated the plane will have to land without two of its landing gear pods far above landing speed, and even Gorbachev was informed of the ongoing crisis. With all that in mind, however, what is most surprising is that the Tu-144 flew until 1998 for testing purposes with NASA. Perhaps the best location to see a Tu-144 on display is in Sinsheim (Germany), where a Tu-144 and Concorde are parked next to each other. But the Tu-144 in Sinsheim, just as many other planes on display in museums worldwide, was cut up to be moved. The Tu-144 in Monino was flown in. That makes it rather special, and it is therefore even more unfortunate it isn’t possible to enter this intact airplane.

We were also rather lucky that a few weeks prior was the Victory Day celebration on May 9. For this celebration, the plane had been cleaned and prepared, and looked sparkling.





Ultimately the Tu-144 didn’t make the biggest impression on me, however. This honour is bestowed upon the Mil V-12, an ode to Soviet gigantomania, and the largest helicopter ever constructed. Pictures don’t do this aircraft justice, it is truly immense. I cannot fathom where this helicopter could have used it’s vertical take-off and landing abilities, that an airstrip could not have been constructed.







In addition to the planes I have already dedicated a few sentences to, there were a few others I have a particular endearment towards.





















Best of all, however, there was already a Yak-42 parked in the background - we flew one earlier that morning!



The drive back to the airport was horrendously slow, and we were very hungry by the time we did eventually get back to Domodedovo… Unfortunately the shashlik stand P remembered in Monino had disappeared so we were left with our hunger until we got to the S7 lounge.





The Sixt agent (same man as in the morning) happened to be in the parking lot as we came in, and he didn’t even blink at us returning the car at the airport instead of downtown. With that chapter closed, we strode into the terminal and commenced a day/night of five flights in a row.

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S7 (operated by Globus) Business Moscow-Novosibirsk

Booked on points, this flight was a good value, at only 20,000 Avios and negligible taxes.

P had long been extolling the many virtues of S7’s excellent business class, so much so that I thought there may be some ulterior motive. As it turned out, I was correct. P has a weakness towards sour cherry juice. So, P, what’s so great about S7? “They have proper business, oh and THEY HAVE SOUR CHERRY JUICE, and they board business by a separate bus, oh and THEY HAVE SOUR CHERRY JUICE”. I was mighty curious if S7 would live up to the enormous hype, and whether the sour cherry juice would indeed be such a highlight.

Check-in was quick, there was a little cordoned-off area and a separate desk, nothing unusual here.



Security has no priority treatment, but in my limited experience, there are no line-ups here anyways. P demonstrated something really remarkable - a mobile boarding pass printer. See, because bureaucracy persists from the Soviet era, Russians love documents and paper. They will stamp your boarding pass, much like the TSA making squiggles but a bit more formal, though the TSA has evolved enough that a mobile boarding pass is fine too. In Russia, one must have paper for them to process - but airlines still offer online check-in. To solve this problem, right next to the checkpoint there’s a printer that instantaneously spits out a boarding pass for you upon scanning of your phone. I’m in love with this feature, as not only do I enjoy the traditional paper boarding pass, but I love one on proper stock - in this case, it’s not a Delta-style receipt, but a proper, thick pass.

Security was once again puzzling - I was waved through (though I was showing “yellow” areas in the scanner), while P was stripped of many clothing effects, still set off an alarm, but then sent on his way without further checks.

Since it was daylight, I could take a closer look at the graveyard in Domodedovo. Ilyushin 62, Il-86, Tu-154, some old TransAero 747’s…



The S7 lounge was not remarkable, and somehow they were confused about our entry. P has OneWorld Emerald, I have no status, but this should be of no importance since we were both in business. Still, they were debating how to let us in.



Food offerings were meagre, there was a bar which we availed ourselves of for beer. Decor was fine, but I was definitely not impressed.



Boarding was called, P told me to stay seated a while, because S7 fetches business class passengers to board. Well, after ten minutes he wasn’t so confident anymore, and went to check with the desk. In fact, there certainly is no escort in Moscow and the flight was in final boarding stages. This likely meant we would also have to go on the normal bus, but I would hold P accountable for that.

As it turned out, they had held the little bus for business behind until we arrived, and then immediately departed. My apologies to the other passengers.



S7’s livery is green extreme, puke green would be the colour type I believe, but at least it makes for effective branding.





On board, only two rows of “proper” business class, and a lukewarm welcome by the crew. Seats were very comfortable, thick, with plenty of legroom and proper padding, bonus points on that. P noted that there was a bulkhead behind business on this 737-800, unlike the A321, where there’s only a curtain, so a plus for this aircraft type. But then - a big minus. P had assured me there would be USB & power plugs on this flight, so we happily navigated, talked, and carelessly left our phones with the screens on all day. Apparently the Globus-operated 737-800’s have no power plugs (nor any inflight entertainment, for that matter). As we would soon find out, they also use these aircraft on 7-hour flights, so this is a serious problem and drawback. I was not helped by my power bank, which had given up the ghost after getting slightly damp (definitely not drenched) in the Moscow rain a day earlier.



All Russian airlines (that I flew on this trip) immediately close the business class curtain after boarding, even while still on the ground. They also boarded most of economy through the rear stairs - in an ideal environment, I believe S7 tries to board business from the front door and economy from the rear door - alas I think there were some late passengers and only the front stairs were attached at that point.

After take-off, menus were distributed, and the sour cherry juice drinking began. I wish I had taken pictures. Before I could start sipping my glass, P had downed his and was asking for the next. Yes, it’s sour cherry juice - from a package - and it’s quite good, also unusual onboard a plane, but it’s just juice. After the third glass, P told the flight attendant, who by this point had understood the gravity of the matter, to forego bringing fresh glasses after each refill, lest we drain the supply of crystal. Never mind, we never arrived at that point, and P was devastated when, after only the fifth glass, and before dinner had been served, he was told there was no more сок вишнёвый left. He had counted drinking 14 glasses on his Dusseldorf-Moscow flight, so he was shocked the supply had run out so quickly. Mind you, I had joined him, at a somewhat reduced ratio, but that was that. We were left drinking water.

Looking through the menu, note there is no mention of sour cherry juice, only the broad category of “juice”. It’s a secret, off-the-menu only-upon-request item.













The meal was totally fine but unremarkable, more kasha and a very good raspberry mousse dessert.







We then used the remaining hours of the flight to catch some much-needed sleep, with P in his Qatar Airways pyjamas and me in my Singapore Airlines apparel…
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Ultimately the Tu-144 didn’t make the biggest impression on me, however. This honour is bestowed upon the Mil Mi-26, an ode to Soviet gigantomania, and the largest helicopter ever constructed. Pictures don’t do this aircraft justice, it is truly immense. I cannot fathom where this helicopter could have used it’s vertical take-off and landing abilities, that an airstrip could not have been constructed.

This isn't Mil-26 (the largest helicopter ever to enter production). This monster is called "V-12", came from the same design bureau and never entered service. I believe only 1 or 2 prototypes were ever built.

The helicopter was initially intended to transport ICBMs to deployment sites.

Are aircraft in Monino really in such a good condition, or did you do a lot of photoshop to make them look nicer?

Great trip report, interesting to see that old Soviet airplane seats on the Yak-42 are still alive and kicking
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Oh my gosh. This trip report puts my Alaska summer mileage runs to shame. The hidden secrets of sour cherry juice no less.

Enjoy the trip and the freedom of time and ability to travel to these outbound places. Sooner or later, it all catches up with you and even a trip to Hawaii is sometimes hard to pull off!!
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Originally Posted by cockpitvisit View Post
This isn't Mil-26 (the largest helicopter ever to enter production). This monster is called "V-12", came from the same design bureau and never entered service. I believe only 1 or 2 prototypes were ever built.

The helicopter was initially intended to transport ICBMs to deployment sites.

Are aircraft in Monino really in such a good condition, or did you do a lot of photoshop to make them look nicer?

Great trip report, interesting to see that old Soviet airplane seats on the Yak-42 are still alive and kicking
The aircraft in Monino are actually in a pretty sad state, which is really rather unfortunate. The Tu-144 is in very impressive condition, which is due in no small part to the volunteer work that's going into restoring it - it was mostly stripped of parts and even instrument panel components in the lawless 1990s, and there's been a concerted effort by a group of dedicated volunteers, who are constantly low on money and donations, to get it back into a presentable state. Currently, visits inside are only allowed during special "open house" days - Victory Day, and a few others that they tend to announce on their website. The queues are apparently absolutely insane, but are well worth it - the condition of the plane is slowly getting to being better than Sinnsheim's, but it's taken like 15 years to get to this point - people working every weekend to just fix bits and pieces of it. Take a look at this forum - page is in Russian, but the pictures over the last five years alone are worth it. Restoring the Tu-144

Unfortunately, the other planes aren't nearly in as good a condition, and I suspect one of the reasons people don't get to go into them (except on open house days) is due to their deteriorating condition.

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Oh my gosh. This trip report puts my Alaska summer mileage runs to shame. The hidden secrets of sour cherry juice no less.

Enjoy the trip and the freedom of time and ability to travel to these outbound places. Sooner or later, it all catches up with you and even a trip to Hawaii is sometimes hard to pull off!!
Absence of cherry juice is an incredibly grave flaw, and I agree with P that this is not an acceptable situation on any airline, much less an East European one.
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Originally Posted by worldtraveller73 View Post
Oh my gosh. This trip report puts my Alaska summer mileage runs to shame. The hidden secrets of sour cherry juice no less.

Enjoy the trip and the freedom of time and ability to travel to these outbound places. Sooner or later, it all catches up with you and even a trip to Hawaii is sometimes hard to pull off!!
Thank you worldtraveller73 - I do enjoy these brief moments when I can get away and enjoy some distant lands!

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This isn't Mil-26 (the largest helicopter ever to enter production). This monster is called "V-12", came from the same design bureau and never entered service. I believe only 1 or 2 prototypes were ever built.

The helicopter was initially intended to transport ICBMs to deployment sites.
Argh, thank you for demonstrating the power of the internets and correcting my error. Of course it's a V-12, I had been inside a Mil-26 in Kiev. Indeed, only two were constructed, and this is the second prototype. It went as far as Western Europe in 1971!

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Are aircraft in Monino really in such a good condition, or did you do a lot of photoshop to make them look nicer?

Great trip report, interesting to see that old Soviet airplane seats on the Yak-42 are still alive and kicking
Thank you! I didn't do any enhancements really on the photos, it was just a nice and sunny day. When one is walking around, the impression is actually that the aircraft are in a sorry shape, with the paint jobs fading. Luckily (so far) all the parts remain attached!

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Unfortunately, the other planes aren't nearly in as good a condition, and I suspect one of the reasons people don't get to go into them (except on open house days) is due to their deteriorating condition.
I'm not so sure if that's the reason, since after all if they're good enough for one day of the year one would expect they'd be acceptable for the rest of the year too, no?
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Originally Posted by jlisi984 View Post
I'm not so sure if that's the reason, since after all if they're good enough for one day of the year one would expect they'd be acceptable for the rest of the year too, no?
No, that's not the main reason - the main reason is that to let people inside, someone needs to be "around" to watch the planes, open/close the doors, etc - and there are simply not enough people to take care of the museum. Yes, that's the sad state it's in - there are a few grandpas who walk the grounds to make sure there's nobody completely untowards hanging around, but there's not enough people to actually do the day-to-day management of the place. Even the open house events require volunteers to come and commit their weekend or whatever to bring the air stairs, open planes, clean up before and after, and so on. So yeah... it's a really weird place, completely volunteer-run, with no state support.
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim View Post
Absence of cherry juice is an incredibly grave flaw, and I agree with P that this is not an acceptable situation on any airline, much less an East European one.
Agreeing with yourself still only gets you one glass of cherry juice though...
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