South Africa, Namibia, Victoria Falls, Mauritius & UAE via Emirates First, Qatar Biz
Nov 11, 2016, 12:00 pm
#92
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The airport used to serve as a military field as well, so was located further from town so people could not easily see what was going on. At least thats a story I heard.
I've also heard that due to the elevation above sea level that if an aircraft loses an engine they may not have the climb performance to out climb the terrain surrounding Windhoek, so the airport was built further out for that eventuality.
I've also heard that due to the elevation above sea level that if an aircraft loses an engine they may not have the climb performance to out climb the terrain surrounding Windhoek, so the airport was built further out for that eventuality.
Airport used to be known as the JG Strijdom aiport, built in 1965. The main South African airbase during the border war was in Grootfontein, I believe. Could be wrong on that.
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Nov 11, 2016, 1:15 pm
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Superb report (again). We used African Travel Resource (Jay Hanson) for our agent and he was very helpful. It's hard to find a knowledgeable agent for safaris but we've been happy.
Excited to see the activities you'll do in Vic Falls! We're staying at a place called Tongabezi on our trip, which will be very similar to your overall trip.
Excited to see the activities you'll do in Vic Falls! We're staying at a place called Tongabezi on our trip, which will be very similar to your overall trip.
Nov 11, 2016, 1:51 pm
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Never heard of your first reason, but due to the extreme heat and elevation and the length of the runway required, the current location is the only suitable location close to the city. Windhoek is fairly "hilly." Not many people realize this.
Airport used to be known as the JG Strijdom aiport, built in 1965. The main South African airbase during the border war was in Grootfontein, I believe. Could be wrong on that.
Airport used to be known as the JG Strijdom aiport, built in 1965. The main South African airbase during the border war was in Grootfontein, I believe. Could be wrong on that.
Nov 13, 2016, 12:47 pm
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My apologies for the delays fellow readers. . . I was fortunate enough to be in Cuba over the last week and, needless to say, the internet there was less than fast. It was 13+ minutes to upload 5 iPhone photos to Facebook, making work on a Trip Report with this many pictures near impossible. Please be invited to watch this space for a report on that shortly.
Thank you chongi. More coming up right now.
Sounds like a great trip DSI and my compliments to you if you were able to find business class space on Qatar DOH - CPT. We didn't and had to route through JNB. I can't speak about the gorillas but I've always liked MRU as a side destination from South Africa. MrsWT73 doesn't like it as much as I do, but the beaches and the views of Le Morne in the south are hard to be beat.
If you decide on a road trip within Nambia, allow yourself lots of time to simply get out and explore. Ours was quite fast paced and we probably could have had another day or two in there to take in more scenery.
Thanks Chancensam. I home you had a pleasant stay. Despite some of the minor shortcomings, I did find the Vic Falls Hotel to be quite comfortable.
That makes sense Flyer732 - thank you for your insight. I didn't think Namibia had a large military of years past but with it's German history, it makes some sense.
Thank you miamiflyer8.
Wow - Bretteee ; we may have been lucky as it doesn't appear anyone was checking on our flights. We probably would have been over.
CBear - a valid point when I think back at the geography around Windhoek. It does have quite a view canyons and hills.
Thanks again DSI - I will have to do a little look up to see about Tongabezi. We're always looking for things to do down in Southern Africa as it's one of our favorite destinations worldwide.
The legend of lore Flyer732 - thanks!
super awesome trip!
In fact, we just booked something similar and paid a hefty deposit: 1) PHL > DOH > CPT, 2) Sabi Sands, 3) Vic Falls, 4) Botswana, 5) Namibia road trip. Not sure where the last stop will be, but Uganda seems to be the top choice with their great EY F fares to JFK and, incidentally, gorillas. EK F fares are good too. The other contenders are MRU or Spain for a week. Any other tips are most welcome.
We'll be doing lots of the same activities, especially shark diving!
Thanks again and awesome trip report.
In fact, we just booked something similar and paid a hefty deposit: 1) PHL > DOH > CPT, 2) Sabi Sands, 3) Vic Falls, 4) Botswana, 5) Namibia road trip. Not sure where the last stop will be, but Uganda seems to be the top choice with their great EY F fares to JFK and, incidentally, gorillas. EK F fares are good too. The other contenders are MRU or Spain for a week. Any other tips are most welcome.
We'll be doing lots of the same activities, especially shark diving!
Thanks again and awesome trip report.
If you decide on a road trip within Nambia, allow yourself lots of time to simply get out and explore. Ours was quite fast paced and we probably could have had another day or two in there to take in more scenery.
Ah, the memories, as we were just here 3 weeks ago! Wonderful stay, but unfortunately, our netting over the bed had holes and my daughter was munched several times in the face by mosquitos in one night.
I would highly recommend the Jungle Junction dinner, as there is a performance provided by local villagers.
I would highly recommend the Jungle Junction dinner, as there is a performance provided by local villagers.
The airport used to serve as a military field as well, so was located further from town so people could not easily see what was going on. At least thats a story I heard.
I've also heard that due to the elevation above sea level that if an aircraft loses an engine they may not have the climb performance to out climb the terrain surrounding Windhoek, so the airport was built further out for that eventuality.
I've also heard that due to the elevation above sea level that if an aircraft loses an engine they may not have the climb performance to out climb the terrain surrounding Windhoek, so the airport was built further out for that eventuality.
Thank you miamiflyer8.
Never heard of your first reason, but due to the extreme heat and elevation and the length of the runway required, the current location is the only suitable location close to the city. Windhoek is fairly "hilly." Not many people realize this.
Airport used to be known as the JG Strijdom aiport, built in 1965. The main South African airbase during the border war was in Grootfontein, I believe. Could be wrong on that.
Airport used to be known as the JG Strijdom aiport, built in 1965. The main South African airbase during the border war was in Grootfontein, I believe. Could be wrong on that.
Superb report (again). We used African Travel Resource (Jay Hanson) for our agent and he was very helpful. It's hard to find a knowledgeable agent for safaris but we've been happy.
Excited to see the activities you'll do in Vic Falls! We're staying at a place called Tongabezi on our trip, which will be very similar to your overall trip.
Excited to see the activities you'll do in Vic Falls! We're staying at a place called Tongabezi on our trip, which will be very similar to your overall trip.
The legend of lore Flyer732 - thanks!
Nov 13, 2016, 12:51 pm
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Sunset Cruise
Zambezi River
Zambia and Zimbabwe border
On the day of arrival, we opted to take the Royal Sundowner Signature Deck cruise. The hotel’s activity desk was able to book this on our behalf with only a few hours notice.
We were bussed out to the Zambezi Explorer, which is the largest boat on the Zambezi at the time of writing. The large size is a plus and a minus. It is large and comfortable, but as it is so big, you can’t get close to wildlife on the shores that the smaller boats are able to see. There were a few warthogs grazing from the launch; always a treat to see in Africa.
The staff kept us full of unlimited drinks and “doubles” at most occasions. Of course, being in a second world location, these were "local" spirits that were not the mid shelf brands found around the world. We were also fed some quality appetizers that included gazpacho, crocodile tenders, and some surprisingly good sushi. We chatted with a young couple that were in the Peace Corps in Malawi and were originally from Florida and Washington, USA that were traveling together before their return home; likely to separate parts of the USA.
We set out and happened to see the smoke from the falls.
We also caught a glimpse of the hippos at the hippo pool.
The sunsets were excellent as always and it was worthwhile to be on the top deck to get the full experience.
MrsWT73 really enjoyed the sunset cruise and found it a nice experience on our arrival date to Victoria Falls. After the cruise, we retired back to the hotel and had dinner on Stanley’s Terrace. We each had fresh salads where we had nice salads topped with cilantro / coriander. Such a treat to have produce in this part of the world. . .
Zambezi River
Zambia and Zimbabwe border
On the day of arrival, we opted to take the Royal Sundowner Signature Deck cruise. The hotel’s activity desk was able to book this on our behalf with only a few hours notice.
We were bussed out to the Zambezi Explorer, which is the largest boat on the Zambezi at the time of writing. The large size is a plus and a minus. It is large and comfortable, but as it is so big, you can’t get close to wildlife on the shores that the smaller boats are able to see. There were a few warthogs grazing from the launch; always a treat to see in Africa.
The staff kept us full of unlimited drinks and “doubles” at most occasions. Of course, being in a second world location, these were "local" spirits that were not the mid shelf brands found around the world. We were also fed some quality appetizers that included gazpacho, crocodile tenders, and some surprisingly good sushi. We chatted with a young couple that were in the Peace Corps in Malawi and were originally from Florida and Washington, USA that were traveling together before their return home; likely to separate parts of the USA.
We set out and happened to see the smoke from the falls.
We also caught a glimpse of the hippos at the hippo pool.
The sunsets were excellent as always and it was worthwhile to be on the top deck to get the full experience.
MrsWT73 really enjoyed the sunset cruise and found it a nice experience on our arrival date to Victoria Falls. After the cruise, we retired back to the hotel and had dinner on Stanley’s Terrace. We each had fresh salads where we had nice salads topped with cilantro / coriander. Such a treat to have produce in this part of the world. . .
Nov 13, 2016, 1:00 pm
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Victoria Falls,
Zimbabwe
On Victoria Falls waterfall visit day, we had a full breakfast courtesy of the hotel at the Jungle Junction restaurant. The Jungle Junction is an partially covered outdoor setting that is situated by the pool. There was sparking Cap Classique, omelette stations and every type of food imaginable. The staff had to keep the monkeys’ away from the food areas by using cap guns that made loud noises at times.
We walked over direct from the hotel to the Victoria Falls National Park. The Victoria Falls Hotel has a semi – private direct path that leads directly to the falls. It’s situated at the back entrance. The back entrance is also minded by a hotel security guard who walked with us acting as an escort to the falls. He took us by the zip line center along the way, and we were able to get some nice photographs of the Zambezi River after the bridge.
We arrived at the Victoria Falls park. Like my last visit, they still have two tiered pricing here, although now it’s three tired pricing; one price for Zimbabwe, one for SADC (African) countires, and one for everyone else. It was $30 USD for us to get in with no “in and out” privledges. They have upped their game a bit here and there is now a proper information stand, souvenir shop and café inside the park borders as compared to my last visit when there was almost nothing.
We started off at the Devil’s Cataract on the far side. The months of March and April are the highest in water consumption flow for the park. It is said that in 3.5 days, the entire annual water consumption of the city of New York flows over the water falls. Travelers are usually forewarned that the high water levels generate a lot of spray. Despite the high water levels, there was some spray, but we were still able to see most of the water falls.
We walked along the ridge of the falls. We were able to get some great panoramic views of the falls in their full capacity.
We continued our self tour over to the Danger Point on the right hand side of the park towards Zambia, most of the spray made it too much to see a lot of the falls. We totally got drenched. I was happy to have brought my Ziploc Bag that I packed my toiletries in for the trip to protect my Nikon camera from the water falls spray. I also packed an umbrella from home and it was the best thing that I ever did.
Although there was spray, and it was recommended to take a helicopter flip, we decided that we got enough feel of the waterfalls based on what we had seen. We also did not go over to the Zambian side of the falls, as the past Canadian Government was not kind with its foreign policy and charged outrageous visa fees to all visitors to Canada. The other governments were kind enough to return these charges to Canadians visiting their host countries making it a bad deal for intrepid travelers like us. All in, this meant that it was a $75 USD for each entry into Zimbabwe and another $20 USD for a visit into Zambia. The Zimbabwe government does not offer double entry visas to Canadians and getting a single entry visa in advance through the Zimbabwe embassy in Ottawa was around $250 USD.
We did take a close up look at the bridge between Zimbabwe and Zambia. There was no bungee jumping from the bridge during our visit this time. At one point, it was the highest bungee jump in Africa. There are also a few news articles floating around on the internet of the Australian that jumped and had her bungee break – somehow surviving the fall.
We took a last look at the falls on our way back. It’s truly a scenic wonder and by this point, we were savouring every last look after all the travel to get here.
After the waterfalls, we took a quick walk through town. Victoria Falls has cleaned up a little bit but it’s still a rough looking border town with little going for it.
We stopped and had a beer at the Shearwater Café, which was the nicest looking spot in town with free wifi and a large patio. The Shearwater Cafe is run by one of the largest tour operators around the Victoria Falls area. We didn’t personally use any of their services (other than the café) but the place was well kept and professionally run.
We generally felt safe walking around in Victoria Falls, although we kept to the compound living philosophy and didn’t leave the The Victoria Falls hotel at night.
All in all an excellent day and the Victoria Falls remain worthy of a trip. The last time that I saw the Falls were in low season in November 1998. They were completely different to see them at the peak of their weight. MrsWT73 found the waterfalls to be worth a visit, and found our 2 day visit duration to be completely enough if you knew what you were planning do to in advance.
Zimbabwe
On Victoria Falls waterfall visit day, we had a full breakfast courtesy of the hotel at the Jungle Junction restaurant. The Jungle Junction is an partially covered outdoor setting that is situated by the pool. There was sparking Cap Classique, omelette stations and every type of food imaginable. The staff had to keep the monkeys’ away from the food areas by using cap guns that made loud noises at times.
We walked over direct from the hotel to the Victoria Falls National Park. The Victoria Falls Hotel has a semi – private direct path that leads directly to the falls. It’s situated at the back entrance. The back entrance is also minded by a hotel security guard who walked with us acting as an escort to the falls. He took us by the zip line center along the way, and we were able to get some nice photographs of the Zambezi River after the bridge.
We arrived at the Victoria Falls park. Like my last visit, they still have two tiered pricing here, although now it’s three tired pricing; one price for Zimbabwe, one for SADC (African) countires, and one for everyone else. It was $30 USD for us to get in with no “in and out” privledges. They have upped their game a bit here and there is now a proper information stand, souvenir shop and café inside the park borders as compared to my last visit when there was almost nothing.
We started off at the Devil’s Cataract on the far side. The months of March and April are the highest in water consumption flow for the park. It is said that in 3.5 days, the entire annual water consumption of the city of New York flows over the water falls. Travelers are usually forewarned that the high water levels generate a lot of spray. Despite the high water levels, there was some spray, but we were still able to see most of the water falls.
We walked along the ridge of the falls. We were able to get some great panoramic views of the falls in their full capacity.
We continued our self tour over to the Danger Point on the right hand side of the park towards Zambia, most of the spray made it too much to see a lot of the falls. We totally got drenched. I was happy to have brought my Ziploc Bag that I packed my toiletries in for the trip to protect my Nikon camera from the water falls spray. I also packed an umbrella from home and it was the best thing that I ever did.
Although there was spray, and it was recommended to take a helicopter flip, we decided that we got enough feel of the waterfalls based on what we had seen. We also did not go over to the Zambian side of the falls, as the past Canadian Government was not kind with its foreign policy and charged outrageous visa fees to all visitors to Canada. The other governments were kind enough to return these charges to Canadians visiting their host countries making it a bad deal for intrepid travelers like us. All in, this meant that it was a $75 USD for each entry into Zimbabwe and another $20 USD for a visit into Zambia. The Zimbabwe government does not offer double entry visas to Canadians and getting a single entry visa in advance through the Zimbabwe embassy in Ottawa was around $250 USD.
We did take a close up look at the bridge between Zimbabwe and Zambia. There was no bungee jumping from the bridge during our visit this time. At one point, it was the highest bungee jump in Africa. There are also a few news articles floating around on the internet of the Australian that jumped and had her bungee break – somehow surviving the fall.
We took a last look at the falls on our way back. It’s truly a scenic wonder and by this point, we were savouring every last look after all the travel to get here.
After the waterfalls, we took a quick walk through town. Victoria Falls has cleaned up a little bit but it’s still a rough looking border town with little going for it.
We stopped and had a beer at the Shearwater Café, which was the nicest looking spot in town with free wifi and a large patio. The Shearwater Cafe is run by one of the largest tour operators around the Victoria Falls area. We didn’t personally use any of their services (other than the café) but the place was well kept and professionally run.
We generally felt safe walking around in Victoria Falls, although we kept to the compound living philosophy and didn’t leave the The Victoria Falls hotel at night.
All in all an excellent day and the Victoria Falls remain worthy of a trip. The last time that I saw the Falls were in low season in November 1998. They were completely different to see them at the peak of their weight. MrsWT73 found the waterfalls to be worth a visit, and found our 2 day visit duration to be completely enough if you knew what you were planning do to in advance.
Nov 13, 2016, 1:42 pm
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British Airways
Comair
Business Class
VFA-JNB (Victoria Falls International Airport – OR Tambo International Airport Johannesburg)
BA 6282
April 27, 2016
Booked: Boeing 737-400
Flown: Boeing 737-400
Departure: 1:55 PM
Arrival: 3:35 PM
I booked this ticket using BA Avios. At the time, I was underwater with work assignments and missed the availability in the early booking window at 4 months prior to the departure date. There were previously 7 BA Avios Award seats available but they all disappeared by the time I was able to get my act together. I was able to find availability from neighboring Livingstone, Zambia and marked that as “Plan B”. However, I kept my eyes on the flight and at about the 2 month mark, two additional reward seats opened up (when there were none before). I moved on them quick and booked us into Business for the terrific off peak rate of “7,500 BA Avios and $50 USD” per passenger.
BA has decided not to offer seat assignments until 24 hours before the flight, even for business class passengers. I attempted on line check in. I received a message indicating that it was not possible and that I should “proceed to the airport” to check in for seat assignment.
We booked our transfer through the Victoria Falls hotel to the Victoria Falls airport that was 20 kilometers out of town. We departed the next day for the airport and arrived at about T-160.
As it seems with most of our experiences throughout Africa, it was a disaster at the airport. Although the Victoria Falls Airport is brand new, the logistics organization is at a melt down point. It's almost amazing considering it's an airport with only one other small flight leaving this hour. We joined an unmarked queue of about 150 persons; all waiting to be checked in. There was no marking or indications as to which carrier the line was for, and there were ground cosmetics indicating that it was for, at one time, Air Zimbabwe.
I held a place in line and sent MrsWT73 up to speak to a ground agent, who later identified an unmarked business class line up of 5 people towards the front of the large queue. Thankfully, we were able to scoot around and avoid a several hour wait.
Since British Airways Comair offers a 2-3 configuration, I attempted to get us assigned to the 2 side in seats A & C. The check in agent feigned the inability to change these; “We are working with a new computer system and it will not let me change them”. He pointed towards a cardboard sign on the counter that pled for patience as BA worked to “enhance customer service”. Meanwhile, at the nearby economy counters, the ground staff proceeded to soak the passengers for overweight bag charge fees despite much protests from those travelling.
There was no announcement of a lounge invitation but I started to get excited once we got airside.
This might look promising. =)
Or maybe not – totally locked up with no attendant. =(
We ended up having beer at the local café instead. Perhaps there is no surprise that the Air Zimbabwe flight was cancelled.
The Victoria Falls Airport has improved itself considerably compared to the last time I was through here. It was a nicer than expected facility clearly designed to attract and increase tourism. It was nice and bright with enough to keep you entertained while awaiting your flight. If they would only fix their logistics issues on check in, it would be a better traveling experience.
As was the usual African boarding experience, there was no priority boarding announcement, or any announcement at all for that matter as the crush to get on board began. We got slightly run over by a few elderly Germans who pushed their way past us.
On board, despite only two reward seats available, surprisingly only 4 persons in Club, one being a dead heading second officer (that means another first officer in addition to the one flying the plane) and the other a person traveling onto Amsterdam and then to Seattle. We ended up moving over to our preferred seats 2A and 2C. Not a lot of room the the BA Club product and I can’t really see why you would fly BA Comair if given the choice between SAA and BA Comair. The equipment is quite worn well past its due date and looks tired and saggy.
We ended up waiting for about twenty minutes past the regular departure time for a poor couple who was stuck in the check in line and counter for what would have been about 3 hours. They were apologetic as they walked past to their seats, saying that their delays weren’t their fault. A pre-departure beverage of sparkling was offered during this time.
As we departed Victoria Falls on the climb, there were always interesting bush views of the landscape. I always find it completely amazing in contrast to Europe (which is highly dense and populated) and North America (which is usually covered in freeways).
A lunch option was presented. The food was not that great and wasn’t all that interesting in its presentation.
There was pleasant service from the crew of one serving Club today, in addition to regular top ops of wine.
A quick landing to a non gate position in Johannesburg next to one of the more expensive rentals out there… =)
The BA Comair Club offering, in my opinion, doesn’t measure up to the SAA Business Class equivalent. It does appear to be substantially cheaper (about 25% cheaper on paid fares compared to SAA) and much cheaper on reward miles. Aside from that, I doubt I would fly them again if price were no object as the whole process in our case seemed massively disorganized.
Comair
Business Class
VFA-JNB (Victoria Falls International Airport – OR Tambo International Airport Johannesburg)
BA 6282
April 27, 2016
Booked: Boeing 737-400
Flown: Boeing 737-400
Departure: 1:55 PM
Arrival: 3:35 PM
I booked this ticket using BA Avios. At the time, I was underwater with work assignments and missed the availability in the early booking window at 4 months prior to the departure date. There were previously 7 BA Avios Award seats available but they all disappeared by the time I was able to get my act together. I was able to find availability from neighboring Livingstone, Zambia and marked that as “Plan B”. However, I kept my eyes on the flight and at about the 2 month mark, two additional reward seats opened up (when there were none before). I moved on them quick and booked us into Business for the terrific off peak rate of “7,500 BA Avios and $50 USD” per passenger.
BA has decided not to offer seat assignments until 24 hours before the flight, even for business class passengers. I attempted on line check in. I received a message indicating that it was not possible and that I should “proceed to the airport” to check in for seat assignment.
We booked our transfer through the Victoria Falls hotel to the Victoria Falls airport that was 20 kilometers out of town. We departed the next day for the airport and arrived at about T-160.
As it seems with most of our experiences throughout Africa, it was a disaster at the airport. Although the Victoria Falls Airport is brand new, the logistics organization is at a melt down point. It's almost amazing considering it's an airport with only one other small flight leaving this hour. We joined an unmarked queue of about 150 persons; all waiting to be checked in. There was no marking or indications as to which carrier the line was for, and there were ground cosmetics indicating that it was for, at one time, Air Zimbabwe.
I held a place in line and sent MrsWT73 up to speak to a ground agent, who later identified an unmarked business class line up of 5 people towards the front of the large queue. Thankfully, we were able to scoot around and avoid a several hour wait.
Since British Airways Comair offers a 2-3 configuration, I attempted to get us assigned to the 2 side in seats A & C. The check in agent feigned the inability to change these; “We are working with a new computer system and it will not let me change them”. He pointed towards a cardboard sign on the counter that pled for patience as BA worked to “enhance customer service”. Meanwhile, at the nearby economy counters, the ground staff proceeded to soak the passengers for overweight bag charge fees despite much protests from those travelling.
There was no announcement of a lounge invitation but I started to get excited once we got airside.
This might look promising. =)
Or maybe not – totally locked up with no attendant. =(
We ended up having beer at the local café instead. Perhaps there is no surprise that the Air Zimbabwe flight was cancelled.
The Victoria Falls Airport has improved itself considerably compared to the last time I was through here. It was a nicer than expected facility clearly designed to attract and increase tourism. It was nice and bright with enough to keep you entertained while awaiting your flight. If they would only fix their logistics issues on check in, it would be a better traveling experience.
As was the usual African boarding experience, there was no priority boarding announcement, or any announcement at all for that matter as the crush to get on board began. We got slightly run over by a few elderly Germans who pushed their way past us.
On board, despite only two reward seats available, surprisingly only 4 persons in Club, one being a dead heading second officer (that means another first officer in addition to the one flying the plane) and the other a person traveling onto Amsterdam and then to Seattle. We ended up moving over to our preferred seats 2A and 2C. Not a lot of room the the BA Club product and I can’t really see why you would fly BA Comair if given the choice between SAA and BA Comair. The equipment is quite worn well past its due date and looks tired and saggy.
We ended up waiting for about twenty minutes past the regular departure time for a poor couple who was stuck in the check in line and counter for what would have been about 3 hours. They were apologetic as they walked past to their seats, saying that their delays weren’t their fault. A pre-departure beverage of sparkling was offered during this time.
As we departed Victoria Falls on the climb, there were always interesting bush views of the landscape. I always find it completely amazing in contrast to Europe (which is highly dense and populated) and North America (which is usually covered in freeways).
A lunch option was presented. The food was not that great and wasn’t all that interesting in its presentation.
There was pleasant service from the crew of one serving Club today, in addition to regular top ops of wine.
A quick landing to a non gate position in Johannesburg next to one of the more expensive rentals out there… =)
The BA Comair Club offering, in my opinion, doesn’t measure up to the SAA Business Class equivalent. It does appear to be substantially cheaper (about 25% cheaper on paid fares compared to SAA) and much cheaper on reward miles. Aside from that, I doubt I would fly them again if price were no object as the whole process in our case seemed massively disorganized.
Nov 14, 2016, 12:32 pm
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Great photos you got of the Falls!
ETA there is a programme on British TV just now (Chris Tarrant: Extreme Railways on Channel 5) that has featured the Victoria Falls hotel as well as the Falls itself. I recognised quite a lot of it from your photos!
ETA there is a programme on British TV just now (Chris Tarrant: Extreme Railways on Channel 5) that has featured the Victoria Falls hotel as well as the Falls itself. I recognised quite a lot of it from your photos!
Last edited by nequine; Nov 14, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Nov 17, 2016, 10:13 am
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Awesome report through one of my favorite parts of the world. This report truly reinforces my appreciation of you as one of my favorite trip reporters. Thanks for another stellar effort! ^^
Nov 18, 2016, 8:43 pm
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Thanks offerendum. I hope you are traveling safe! Keep well.
Why thanks Seat 2A. That's quite a compliment coming from you. Keep well this holiday season. ^
Nov 18, 2016, 8:55 pm
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The Hyatt Regency Johannesburg
Sandton, Johannesburg
Since it is impossible to fly commercially from Victoria Falls, or neighboring Livingstone, Zambia, to Mauritius in the same day due to the flight schedules, we had to stay the night in Johannesburg.
We last stayed at the Hyatt Regency on our last visit in November 2013. Please feel free to look through that report for more on the property features. Although it’s a dated property that’s probably well past its hay day as a Park Hyatt, we saw no real reason to change and try out a different location. The hotel offers reasonably convenient access to OR Tambo International Airport via the Gautrain, has a reasonably nice executive lounge with lots of natural light, and convenient access to several restaurants and shops with the semi-attached Rosebank mall.
We booked on a points and cash rate (4000 points and $50 USD) and used a Hyatt Diamond Upgrade to confirm an upgrade into a Regency Suite. It was a great value since the regular rates were over $400 USD. I was able to get Hyatt Diamond status for the year when they offered the status match as soon as the Marriott sale was announced. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to use it as much as I would have liked, as it’s almost impossible to find Hyatt’s as a Canadian traveler since their brand isn’t very available north of the 49th parallel.
A combination of almost all new and a few old pictures…
We arrived and had a prompt check in. Despite 90 minutes waiting at the Qatar Airways office at OR Tambo International Airport investigating and filing a report of lost luggage, we were still able to make the happy hour at the Hyatt Regency Club lounge between 6-8 PM.
The Regency Suite was exceptionally comfortable for an inner city hotel. It featured a proper separate seating area, two televisions, a private outdoor balcony with two chairs and table, and nice eastern facing views.
MrsWT73 thoroughly endorsed it; “I wish we were staying here a few days.” Uhh – we are in Johannesburg; one of the roughest looking cities in the world? Did you forget (laughing)?
The hotel offered a nice Diamond Amenity of candies and a bottle of wine. We didn’t contact the hotel saying it was any special occasion or anything. If this is how Hyatt treats it’s Diamond’s, then it’s a lot nicer than the usual SPG Platinum treatment experience that I’ve had.
We went and enjoyed happy hour at the Regency Club. The club offers a nice setting with large windows and is perfect for a city where, frankly, you don’t want to be wandering the streets aimlessly at night.
We concluded happy hour and went down to the Rosebank Mall for dinner at the pizza point. We happened to come across the grand opening of Starbucks Johannesburg Rosebank where event security was set up and there was a line of approximately 50 people waiting to get into the restaurant. MrsWT73 queued up for the first ever Johannesburg Starbucks mug in the new format and the old South African Mug in the original series.
A quick view from the deck the next morning before we left.
The Hyatt Regency was a pleasant stay and we’d see no reason to change hotels or stay at the Intercontinental at the OR Tambo Airport. The Regency Club was very efficient and comfortable and the value of cash and points with a Diamond Suite upgrade was unbeatable. It was highly recommended once again.
Sandton, Johannesburg
Since it is impossible to fly commercially from Victoria Falls, or neighboring Livingstone, Zambia, to Mauritius in the same day due to the flight schedules, we had to stay the night in Johannesburg.
We last stayed at the Hyatt Regency on our last visit in November 2013. Please feel free to look through that report for more on the property features. Although it’s a dated property that’s probably well past its hay day as a Park Hyatt, we saw no real reason to change and try out a different location. The hotel offers reasonably convenient access to OR Tambo International Airport via the Gautrain, has a reasonably nice executive lounge with lots of natural light, and convenient access to several restaurants and shops with the semi-attached Rosebank mall.
We booked on a points and cash rate (4000 points and $50 USD) and used a Hyatt Diamond Upgrade to confirm an upgrade into a Regency Suite. It was a great value since the regular rates were over $400 USD. I was able to get Hyatt Diamond status for the year when they offered the status match as soon as the Marriott sale was announced. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to use it as much as I would have liked, as it’s almost impossible to find Hyatt’s as a Canadian traveler since their brand isn’t very available north of the 49th parallel.
A combination of almost all new and a few old pictures…
We arrived and had a prompt check in. Despite 90 minutes waiting at the Qatar Airways office at OR Tambo International Airport investigating and filing a report of lost luggage, we were still able to make the happy hour at the Hyatt Regency Club lounge between 6-8 PM.
The Regency Suite was exceptionally comfortable for an inner city hotel. It featured a proper separate seating area, two televisions, a private outdoor balcony with two chairs and table, and nice eastern facing views.
MrsWT73 thoroughly endorsed it; “I wish we were staying here a few days.” Uhh – we are in Johannesburg; one of the roughest looking cities in the world? Did you forget (laughing)?
The hotel offered a nice Diamond Amenity of candies and a bottle of wine. We didn’t contact the hotel saying it was any special occasion or anything. If this is how Hyatt treats it’s Diamond’s, then it’s a lot nicer than the usual SPG Platinum treatment experience that I’ve had.
We went and enjoyed happy hour at the Regency Club. The club offers a nice setting with large windows and is perfect for a city where, frankly, you don’t want to be wandering the streets aimlessly at night.
We concluded happy hour and went down to the Rosebank Mall for dinner at the pizza point. We happened to come across the grand opening of Starbucks Johannesburg Rosebank where event security was set up and there was a line of approximately 50 people waiting to get into the restaurant. MrsWT73 queued up for the first ever Johannesburg Starbucks mug in the new format and the old South African Mug in the original series.
A quick view from the deck the next morning before we left.
The Hyatt Regency was a pleasant stay and we’d see no reason to change hotels or stay at the Intercontinental at the OR Tambo Airport. The Regency Club was very efficient and comfortable and the value of cash and points with a Diamond Suite upgrade was unbeatable. It was highly recommended once again.
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South African Airways Baobab Lounge
OR Tambo International Airport – International Departures
Johannesburg, South Africa
We booked our positioning flight to Mauritius on South African airways. For some reason, there were really good fares departing Johannesburg of around $415 USD for full business class. I found this to be a reasonable price for 4 1/2 hours of business class in a cocoon for an international flight. There were even lower fares on BA Comair in the 737 configuration, with these flights only operating on Saturdays during the dates of our trip.
It was sadly not the best performance out of South African Airways today; it was full of things going wrong that certainly wasn’t typical of our SAA flights past.
We departed the Hyatt Regency Rosebank after a brief Regency Club Executive Lounge Breakfast, which started at 06:30 AM. Checkout was all in order and promptly handled.
South African Airways operates two daily flights to Mauritius using their Boeing 737 aircraft. The first flight, SA 190, typically departs at 8:40 AM, whereas the second flight that we were booked and ticketed on departed at 10:25 AM. On arrival to the airport at T-180, I happened to notice on the flight information boards that the first SA 190 flight was showing as cancelled.
We checked in at the SAA Premium Services Desk. There was no line but we had a very surly check in agent. After a few minutes of tapping on the computer, she announced to us that our seats were not together. Having booked the flight 3 months earlier and having selected w 4A and 4C for the flight, I asked her what had happened to the seat assignment? She claimed that all passengers had already checked in, and that our seats were gone (despite being pre-assigned). MrsWT73 was moved back to 7H, where as I got 4C. The check in agent was unaware of the earlier SA190 flight cancellation until I brought it up with her. I asked her if it was possible to have seats together but she refused to budge on it; “I am sorry but the flight has checked in full (3 hours before the flight). I challenged her on it, asking her what happened to the original seat assignments since the seat assignment is to “hold the seat”, indicating that they were paid tickets (and not upgrades or staff travel) but she was particularly unhelpful and didn’t do anything for us. It was similar to the Jerry Seinfeld scene where he describes how the car rental reservation is actually supposed to hold the car. We ended up leaving the counter with separate seats and no real resolution to the separated seating assignments.
We headed off to change MrsWT73’s Qatar baggage payout from South African Rand to US Dollars and through the departing security checkpoint. MrsWT73 did some souvenir shopping at her favorite Out of Africa store while I hit up The Big Five Duty Free with its excellent selection and representation of South African wines. We picked up a few bottles for Mauritius and the United Arab Emirates.
After the shopping was complete, we headed up to the South African Airways Baobab Lounge. I’ve always been impressed with visiting flagship international lounges in the hub cities of carriers. Despite being recently renovated since our last visit, the SAA Baobab Lounge it seems that it is now only just an average place that has been outclassed by its worldwide competition.
There are new chairs and new natural stone treatments on the walls. It still has an odd layout that doesn’t make the best use of i’s space with a lot of flowing spaces that come at a cost of available seating.
The best part of the lounge was the large windows that offer terrific plane spotting opportunities. However, it seemed to come at a cost of air conditioning. The lounge was really warm today which made it a very hot experience.
The magazine racks were also well stocked with papers and magazines.
Unfortunately, the food and catering were really tired and looked like a cheap Bed and Breakfast operation, instead of a world class airline that they market themselves to be. Sadly, I didn't get photographs to support that claim. Needless to say, things looked quite tired.
Regretfully, this place has fallen from among the better lounges in Southern Africa. The pace and offerings of the lounges around the world seem to be improving over the years and this place, isn’t keeping up. I’m sad to report that if you are through here, the only advantages to visit this particular lounge are the plane spotting opportunities
OR Tambo International Airport – International Departures
Johannesburg, South Africa
We booked our positioning flight to Mauritius on South African airways. For some reason, there were really good fares departing Johannesburg of around $415 USD for full business class. I found this to be a reasonable price for 4 1/2 hours of business class in a cocoon for an international flight. There were even lower fares on BA Comair in the 737 configuration, with these flights only operating on Saturdays during the dates of our trip.
It was sadly not the best performance out of South African Airways today; it was full of things going wrong that certainly wasn’t typical of our SAA flights past.
We departed the Hyatt Regency Rosebank after a brief Regency Club Executive Lounge Breakfast, which started at 06:30 AM. Checkout was all in order and promptly handled.
South African Airways operates two daily flights to Mauritius using their Boeing 737 aircraft. The first flight, SA 190, typically departs at 8:40 AM, whereas the second flight that we were booked and ticketed on departed at 10:25 AM. On arrival to the airport at T-180, I happened to notice on the flight information boards that the first SA 190 flight was showing as cancelled.
We checked in at the SAA Premium Services Desk. There was no line but we had a very surly check in agent. After a few minutes of tapping on the computer, she announced to us that our seats were not together. Having booked the flight 3 months earlier and having selected w 4A and 4C for the flight, I asked her what had happened to the seat assignment? She claimed that all passengers had already checked in, and that our seats were gone (despite being pre-assigned). MrsWT73 was moved back to 7H, where as I got 4C. The check in agent was unaware of the earlier SA190 flight cancellation until I brought it up with her. I asked her if it was possible to have seats together but she refused to budge on it; “I am sorry but the flight has checked in full (3 hours before the flight). I challenged her on it, asking her what happened to the original seat assignments since the seat assignment is to “hold the seat”, indicating that they were paid tickets (and not upgrades or staff travel) but she was particularly unhelpful and didn’t do anything for us. It was similar to the Jerry Seinfeld scene where he describes how the car rental reservation is actually supposed to hold the car. We ended up leaving the counter with separate seats and no real resolution to the separated seating assignments.
We headed off to change MrsWT73’s Qatar baggage payout from South African Rand to US Dollars and through the departing security checkpoint. MrsWT73 did some souvenir shopping at her favorite Out of Africa store while I hit up The Big Five Duty Free with its excellent selection and representation of South African wines. We picked up a few bottles for Mauritius and the United Arab Emirates.
After the shopping was complete, we headed up to the South African Airways Baobab Lounge. I’ve always been impressed with visiting flagship international lounges in the hub cities of carriers. Despite being recently renovated since our last visit, the SAA Baobab Lounge it seems that it is now only just an average place that has been outclassed by its worldwide competition.
There are new chairs and new natural stone treatments on the walls. It still has an odd layout that doesn’t make the best use of i’s space with a lot of flowing spaces that come at a cost of available seating.
The best part of the lounge was the large windows that offer terrific plane spotting opportunities. However, it seemed to come at a cost of air conditioning. The lounge was really warm today which made it a very hot experience.
The magazine racks were also well stocked with papers and magazines.
Unfortunately, the food and catering were really tired and looked like a cheap Bed and Breakfast operation, instead of a world class airline that they market themselves to be. Sadly, I didn't get photographs to support that claim. Needless to say, things looked quite tired.
Regretfully, this place has fallen from among the better lounges in Southern Africa. The pace and offerings of the lounges around the world seem to be improving over the years and this place, isn’t keeping up. I’m sad to report that if you are through here, the only advantages to visit this particular lounge are the plane spotting opportunities