Air France NEW Full Flat Business Class: JFK-CDG
Hi guys,
Last week I had the opportunity on behalf of flight-report to try Air France latest product: their brand new business class, marketed as the 3F experience:
The first aircraft fitted with this new cabin is a 777-200ER which is curently solely operating AF009 JFK-CDG & AF008 CDG-JFK. The seat is the well known Cirrus, developed by Zodiac Aerospace and already available on selected aircraft with Cathay Pacific, American Airlines, US Airways, Eva Air or China Eastern. Some pictures: http://cdn2.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/13.jpg Cabin http://cdn3.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/17.jpg http://cdn4.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/23.jpg Seat http://cdn4.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/25.jpg http://cdn2.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/45.jpg http://cdn2.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/54.jpg Meals http://cdn4.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/40.jpg http://cdn1.flight-report.com/photos/yNdDwD1Jm4/59.jpg With this new seat Air France has shown its true commitment to providing a high quality and comfortable product. The French flag-carrier has made a significant investment to regain its place as one of the world’s top carriers. Thanks to this new cabin, Air France will most likely offer the best Business class product of any European airline. Although many European carriers have been installing new cabins over the last several years, most new cabins are not offering full aisle-access. That being said, there are still areas that could be improved, such as the roughness on the sidewalls and the service protocol on these short night flights. The introduction of new china is positive, but it is a shame that dishes are pre-packaged and reheated rather than being plated in the galley. Today, Air France has chosen one of the best Business Class seats in the sky. For consistency, the French flag-carrier would do well to review its service guidelines in order to offer a truly top-notch experience. THE POSITIVES: - A full flat seat. - Full aisle-access for every passenger on a spacious 1-2-1 configuration. - Privacy thanks to a separation screen between seats, which can be removed for passengers traveling together. - Bed length of 1.96m / 6.44ft - New and improved pillow, cover, and amenity kit THE NEGATIVES: - Some rough finishes - The actual cabin (walls, lighting, lavatories, bars, etc) has not been updated. - Service guidelines lacking - A rarely updated menu Full review & additional pictures, please click here Feel free to ask any question you may have on this new product. Happy Flying :cool: |
Originally Posted by Leadership
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Thanks to this new cabin, Air France will most likely offer the best Business class product of any European airline. Although many European carriers have been installing new cabins over the last several years, most new cabins are not offering full aisle-access.
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Thanks for a nice trip report!
Air France definitely has stepped up its game but too bad they belong to the SkyTeam Alliance. The meals look great. Thanks for all the great details! Carfield |
Originally Posted by Joely
(Post 23131431)
Apart from Iberia of course, oh and AlItalia, and Air Berlin, and Swiss, and Virgin Atlantic....
Some seats in LX are not full access (duo pair on throne side). |
Originally Posted by Leadership
(Post 23131244)
Thanks to this new cabin, Air France will most likely offer the best Business class product of any European airline. Although many European carriers have been installing new cabins over the last several years, most new cabins are not offering full aisle-access.
Originally Posted by Joely
(Post 23131431)
Apart from Iberia of course, oh and AlItalia, and Air Berlin, and Swiss, and Virgin Atlantic....
And I agree with OP's other conclusion that this is probably the best J product of any European airline. Which means better than Iberia of course, oh and Alitalia, and Air Berlin, and Swiss, and Virgin Atlantic.... |
I thought AF always served champagne as a pre-departure option. When did this change?
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Originally Posted by Carfield
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The meals look great.
Originally Posted by SkyTeam777
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I thought AF always served champagne as a pre-departure option. When did this change?
And just to show that I am not totally negative: the cabin and the seats look great - and looking forward to trying them out. |
Originally Posted by SkyTeam777
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I thought AF always served champagne as a pre-departure option. When did this change?
Nevertheless, the new business looks like it's worth a try. I've had very positive experiences with AF. Still, I'm surprised no other cabin updates, eg lighting. Thanks for posting! |
Originally Posted by SkyTeam777
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I thought AF always served champagne as a pre-departure option. When did this change?
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Originally Posted by sbams
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Are you serious? Just look at that breakfast. That is supposed to be a croissant, from the country which "invented" croissants. Appaling!
Certainly a step backwards. |
Originally Posted by CHOPCHOP767
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I think that this requires AF to pay US taxes on the liquor, hence they didn't serve. I've noticed this with a few European carriers in that an alcoholic pdb wasn't served until the door was closed.
Nevertheless, the new business looks like it's worth a try. I've had very positive experiences with AF. Still, I'm surprised no other cabin updates, eg lighting. Thanks for posting! |
Thanks for the post, I'm so jealous as I'm flying AF from YYZ-CDG and does not have lay down seats :(
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Great Report!
I just visited the Air France Expo in NYC and got to sit/test in the new Business seat. I was fascinated how great it was and how it's a huge 360 from what AF currently has. I just can't wait to try it out on an actual flight! |
My cynical comments about AF's soft product non-withstanding, it looks like a very nice hard product. Probably won't ever fly it, but I certainly wouldn't mind if the price were right!
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Seats look good. That's about it.
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