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I don't think it is just you being singled out. I'm 21, and I get questioned as to why I am waiting in the Breezeway line very often. I travel in jeans and a t-shirt with a briefcase (filled with camera equipment) but still get questioned. In fact when I checked in at DEN for my most recent flight, the first thing he asked was "Are you sure you are in the right lane, this is for First Class." I then told him that not only was I first class but that I was Medallion (albeit just silver) and he seemed surprised and promptly got me my ticket while continuing to talk to his peers behind the counter and ignoring me. I've come to live with it, people don't understand how younger people can possibly be succesful, let alone fly as often as some of us do (you fly more than I do). The one airline where I have never experienced this is CO, I flew First Class LAX-PBI via Houston and was treated extremely well, not looked down upon at all.
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Agencies that earn their living persuading all of us to buy a product, service, or political candidate invest billions of dollars in the process of researching what kinds of things cause people to respond in certain ways. What persuades us? There has never been a study when the appearance of a spokesman was not a factor in the persuasive appeal of the spokesman.
I am not saying this is right or fair or even moral. Certainly it would be nice if every person could be treated equitably regardless of appearance. Unfortunately, as wrong and unfair as this is, it is still a fact of life. What do you think when you see an obese woman? a five-year-old child with a pacifier in his mouth? a teen-ager who can only use one of his hands because the other has to hold his pants (8 sizes too large) at his waist? a man in overalls with manure on his boots? a person wearing three dirty shirts and clinging to a blanket with holes in it? I really doubt that there are many of us who treat every single person we meet in the same equitable fashion. Even if we are not aware of it, we evaluate people on appearance within the first ten seconds. The manager of any public figure can tell you that the quickest and most effective way to control perception is to control appearance. We can disagree about what level of "casual dress" is appropriate, but I doubt any of us will get on an airplane wearing the same thing we wore to mow the lawn, change the oil, paint the ceiling or pull weeds in the garden. At some fundamental level we all know that appearances make a difference. I personally wish that this were not true. I wished we each would evaluate one another based on the quality of our actions, and the logic of our thoughts, and the strength of our characters. We don't, and no amount of discussing how wrong this is will change the fact that to some degree our appearance controls how others perceive us. |
OP -- we STILL haven't heard what you consider "casual attire." I agree with the others. Your dress code is likely the case.
You don't have to dress up, but a Polo and khakis go a long way to mitigate the issue. |
My question is do you think i'm being singled our for bad service because of my age |
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I sat next to a man in FC who was dressed in a sleveless undershirt, shorts and flip flops, he was at least 65, which is my age. He looked like a pig, but I guess since he was flying FC he felt he could wear anything. Would be interested in whether he bought the ticket or was on miles, either way if he had come to my home or business dressed that way he would not have been welcome, as far as I am concerned decorum is part of travelling and that goes for those in the economy cabin as well.
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Well, I think its not age dicrimination at all. Its how you define "casual wear".
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Originally Posted by flyingfran
(Post 12340640)
I am not saying this is right or fair or even moral. Certainly it would be nice if every person could be treated equitably regardless of appearance. Unfortunately, as wrong and unfair as this is, it is still a fact of life.
.... I personally wish that this were not true. I wished we each would evaluate one another based on the quality of our actions, and the logic of our thoughts, and the strength of our characters. We don't, and no amount of discussing how wrong this is will change the fact that to some degree our appearance controls how others perceive us. BUT there are definitely degrees of what is unacceptable, even illegal, and bad practice. It is ILLEGAL in the United States to discriminate against someone because of their appearance. If you think someone "appears to be a terrorist" because they look like a "middle easterner", it is still illegal to bar them from flying because of their appearance. When this was a problem post 9/11 many people said that "middle eastern" types should just accept disriminatory behavior from airport/airline staff because of 9/11... Fortunately the LAW says otherwise... Now of course it is not illegal for a gate or ticket agent to treat someone "like a beach bum" because they look "like a beach bum"...HOWEVER it is a BAD business practice and completely unprofessional. As long as the OP is a paying customer, he has every right to expect to be treated as competently and as profesionally as ANY customer would. It is not any fairer to tell the OP that if he wants to be treated well he should change how he dresses than it is to tell an African-American that if he doesn't want to be harassed by the police he should bleach his skin to look lighter or stay out of certain neighborhoods. So to summarize my opinion/position 1) FlyingFran is completely right, our appearance affects how others perceive us, this is human nature and no amount of talking will change basic human instinct 2) While we perceive/judge others based on their appearance and our own notion of what is acceptable/unacceptable attire...it is UNPROFESSIONAL for Delta gate/ticket agents to TREAT people differently based on these perceptions/judgements |
I addressed it in post 6...
My definition is cargo shorts and a t-shirt (nice t-shirt) or polo shirt and khakis... My beef has been mostly with TA. GA have been fine. I get the "this is the first class/medallion line" from the TA's. I have tried to stop this by having the medallion card out upon getting into line.
Originally Posted by pentop
(Post 12340688)
OP -- we STILL haven't heard what you consider "casual attire." I agree with the others. Your dress code is likely the case.
You don't have to dress up, but a Polo and khakis go a long way to mitigate the issue. |
I am in my mid-20s, a Hilton Diamond, and normally wear a t-shirt and shorts when traveling. Sometimes when checking in at a "nicer" Hilton (i.e. not HI, or HGI) the attitude of the front desk agent drastically changes when they pull up my reservation and sees me as a diamond. Personally, I find it humorous , but I agree, everyone should be treated the same.
As for air travel, never felt like I was being treated differently. |
Originally Posted by hokiekev
(Post 12340896)
My definition is cargo shorts and a t-shirt (nice t-shirt) or polo shirt and khakis...
Regarding "Dr." on cards and such, it is probably not a good idea outside of an academic environment unless you are actually a medical doctor, as that is what most people outside of an academic environment assume a "doctor" is (and in an in-flight medical emergency, they may be looking for assistance from medical doctors). |
Originally Posted by Burj
(Post 12340894)
So to summarize my opinion/position
1) FlyingFran is completely right, our appearance affects how others perceive us, this is human nature and no amount of talking will change basic human instinct 2) While we perceive/judge others based on their appearance and our own notion of what is acceptable/unacceptable attire...it is UNPROFESSIONAL for Delta gate/ticket agents to TREAT people differently based on these perceptions/judgements |
Originally Posted by hokiekev
(Post 12339957)
Today's attire was a nike t-shirt of my employer athletic team, cargo shorts, and a baseball cap of the athletic teams of my employer.
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Originally Posted by tjl
(Post 12340986)
Regarding "Dr." on cards and such, it is probably not a good idea outside of an academic environment unless you are actually a medical doctor, as that is what most people outside of an academic environment assume a "doctor" is (and in an in-flight medical emergency, they may be looking for assistance from medical doctors).
Originally Posted by Burj
(Post 12340894)
It is ILLEGAL in the United States to discriminate against someone because of their appearance. If you think someone "appears to be a terrorist" because they look like a "middle easterner", it is still illegal to bar them from flying because of their appearance.
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Originally Posted by hokiekev
(Post 12340062)
I think you just proved my point. I paid my fare. I don't smell (Mrs. Hokiekev would tell me if I did) and I am a loyal customer. Why should I have to play a part to get adequate service. The academic status was in response to the TA questioning it and annoying me. I don't remember DL publishing a dress code for the airline. Whether they are impressed or not they should provide good service to all of their customers.
What would you think if your students showed up dressed that way? The point (as others have mentioned) is that there are certain expectations of how we dress and conduct ourselves in public situations and when people violate those norms they tend to get treated accordingly. |
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