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CZBB May 22, 2009 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 11767089)
That's the best explanation. ^ It keeps the air from high pressure region to leak into low pressure region., which leads to loss of lift, vortices, which produce lift induced drag.


Note that some aircraft (767-400, 787 etc) have a additional wing angle near the tip, which forces the vortex behind the lifting portion of the main wing, removing the requirement for having a fence (to stop the flow around the top of the wing). Nice explanation and drawings here..

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cs/q0148.shtml

Yaatri May 24, 2009 11:19 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11768769)
Not all of them. The newer models (773, 77L) have a raked wing design that provides similar benefit. The 77A and 772ER (the earlier 777 models) do not have the raked wingtips and can potentially benefit from winglets.

Mt comment was intended simply to dispel the notion that that winglets cannot be installed on larger aircraft. THat not all Boeing 777 will have them, although is a piece of factoid, it does not add any thing to the discussion of why winglets are installed. :)


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11768769)
As for why they are less efficient at climb-out/landing it is an aerodynamics and speed thing. At the slower speeds the vortexes aren't as big a deal. At higher speed they are and that is why the winglets help at cruise. At least that is my understanding of it.

What you are saying is that winglets help at higher speeds. It does not, however prove that the way they operate make the aircraft less efficient. Of course the extra weight of the winglets, would cost in more fuel consumption during take off. It is not that winglets do not help at all at slower speed but that their advantage,which increases with speed, is overcome by the weight penalty. The slow speeds during take off are not really all that slow to guarantee that there will be no leakage of high pressure air.

Efrem May 24, 2009 9:53 pm


Originally Posted by nerd (Post 11776610)
I believe that Boeing got the major carriers to commit millions of dollars into the winglets program using a similiar Paper Airplane A vs. Paper Airplane B, in-office demonstration.

For the senior project for my undergraduate aero engineering degree, my group designed a delta-wing configuration while most of the other groups, given the same general specs, went with traditional wing. We introduced our project to the audience, which included the entire faculty of the department plus some high-profile invited guests, by saying "Our design represents a return to the most basic principles of aircraft design." At that point we pulled several paper airplanes from under the desk and flew them at the audience. (At this distance of several decades, I don't recall if they had winglets or not.)

Fortunately, our department chair didn't rescind my grad school recommendation.

(One of the other group members later became director of aircraft design for a major defense aircraft contractor, from which he has since retired. We must have learned something, though I didn't use it as much as he did.)

riteshraja May 24, 2009 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 11767144)
But how, and why? Efrem's post provides the real answer.

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Exactly. The adoption of the winglet to improve flying efficiency is modeled after studying soaring bird species such as the golden eagle according to a documentary on the A380 by National Geographic.

YVR Cockroach May 27, 2009 9:45 am

Winglets to get a lot weirder
 
Aviation Partners targets later summer for second-generation spiroid winglets

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-spiroid.html

FlyinDutchman Jun 13, 2011 7:35 am


Originally Posted by hwmorth (Post 11776623)
And then the major US airlines got a presentation with a paper airplane that had food strapped to it and a paper airplane without. This rest is sad history :D

LOL :D
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