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You want to go where? Apr 9, 2009 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by Unimatrix One (Post 11546511)
If the immigration folks in the destination country don't see an exit stamp in the passport you present to them, will they get suspicious and ask more questions? Will they assume you are a freedom-hating turrist and detain and interrogate you? Or will they just scold you?

My son has dual citizenship and we are going to take him on his first overseas trip in a few months, so I am wondering about US CBP's reaction if he presents a US passport on arrival that doesn't have an exit stamp from Japan.

I constantly travel to countries that require a visa for U.S. citizens. My U.S. passport has nary a one. I have never been asked on my return why my passport has no visas or stamps for those countries, even though I list them on my customs form. Basically, they won't have a reaction.

GUWonder Apr 10, 2009 3:35 am


Originally Posted by Unimatrix One (Post 11546511)
If the immigration folks in the destination country don't see an exit stamp in the passport you present to them, will they get suspicious and ask more questions? Will they assume you are a freedom-hating turrist and detain and interrogate you? Or will they just scold you?

My son has dual citizenship and we are going to take him on his first overseas trip in a few months, so I am wondering about US CBP's reaction if he presents a US passport on arrival that doesn't have an exit stamp from Japan.

Immigration will not ordinarily care -- the exception sometimes being when a country has a prohibition on dual citizenship and is trying to enforce that provision on entry/exit or the country has some kinds of compliance requirements of its nationals (e.g., military service or tax-related requirement) applicable to its own nationals.

[Security contractors retained by some airlines might ask questions as they like to flip through the passports and look for stamps, but even with that there should be no problem.]

chchkiwi Apr 10, 2009 10:55 pm

I have both New Zealand and U.S. citizenship. I keep a copy of the following regarding dual citizenship with my travel docs in case there are any questions -

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/c.../cis_1753.html

Christopher Apr 11, 2009 12:59 am

This page from the embassy of USA in London is also of interest: admittedly it's from an embassy, and an embassy in one particular country, rather than from the Department of State, but there might be analogous pages on other embassy sights. In any case, it could be useful if someone found himself or herself subjected to questioning.

GUWonder Apr 11, 2009 4:11 am


Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 11563211)
This page from the embassy of USA in London is also of interest: admittedly it's from an embassy, and an embassy in one particular country, rather than from the Department of State, but there might be analogous pages on other embassy sights. In any case, it could be useful if someone found himself or herself subjected to questioning.

From the link above:


In the 1980's, the Supreme Court ruled that U.S. citizenship is a constitutional right that cannot be taken away from a citizen who does not intend to relinquish it.
It doesn't mention the Supreme Court ruling, but I think it is referring to Vance v Terrazas in 1980.

Neither does it touch upon how since then the US has continued to strip naturalized US citizens of US citizenship even when the person had no intent to relinquish US citizenship.

Christopher Apr 11, 2009 5:09 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 11563493)
Neither does it touch upon how since then the US has continued to strip naturalized US citizens of US citizenship even when the person had no intent to relinquish US citizenship.

That may be, and it might not be very helpful in the setting described if it did. :p

Yaatri Apr 12, 2009 6:08 am


Originally Posted by ajax (Post 11549257)
I've passed through UK immigration a few hundred times (most recently about three hours ago) and have never had any agent do anything but make sure that the picture matches my face.

I think the OP will be fine.

You mean if the OP looks like a regular British or a regular (real) Canadian. These days yiu can never tell by looks. ;)

You know there is no funny business from real Canadians or real British.

etch5895 Apr 12, 2009 6:36 am

A good number of stamps in my passport are hardly readable anyway from either being stamped lightly or when the stamp is running low on ink. If anyone where to question something like that, I would point them to one of the barely readable stamps and say "I'm pretty sure that one is it..."

hauteboy Apr 12, 2009 8:21 am

I'm dual US/UK and do this all the time. But got a unique situation coming up. I'm going on a trip to Russia/Belarus in a few weeks. I already have a Russian visa in my US passport, but planned on getting a visa-on-arrival in Minsk using my British passport. Would they have problems with me not having a Russian exit stamp/visa in my UK passport? I've heard Russia-Belarus is considered domestic.

atsak Apr 12, 2009 9:49 pm

I'll echo the sentiments here. I have Canadian/Australian, and I show my Canadian passport when I'm going anywhere other than Australia so my accent matches my passport. However, the law in Australia requires me to present my Australian passport on entry and exit to Australia. I however have to show the Canadian one when I check in to the airline agent in Australia to show I have permission to return home.

My son has Canadian/Australian and British citizenship. He uses the passport appropriate for whichever country he is travelling to.

mkt Apr 12, 2009 10:30 pm


Originally Posted by atsak (Post 11571050)
so my accent matches my passport

At least both of your countries speak the same language (sort of) ;)

I have gotten stares with a Spanish passport and perfect American English.... or Puerto Rican accented Spanish.

FlyWorld Apr 14, 2009 9:20 pm

Dual Passports
 
I realize this wasn't the original question but want to add an observation in case it's helpful to someone else reading this thread. US law allows US immigration authorities to strip an immigrant of permanent residency status or citizenship for taking an action that is inconsistent with the maintenance of US citizenship. There is prior case law establishing that travel on a foreign passport can be deemed by immigration authorities to be a demonstration of actions inconsistent with intention to preserve US citizenship, resulting in immediate and irrevocable deportation of a permanent resident or naturalized citizen. My advise, therefore, is to be VERY careful about travel on two passports, particularly if one is a US immigrant.

Christopher Apr 15, 2009 12:46 am


Originally Posted by mitchmu (Post 11583397)
I realize this wasn't the original question but want to add an observation in case it's helpful to someone else reading this thread. US law allows US immigration authorities to strip an immigrant of permanent residency status or citizenship for taking an action that is inconsistent with the maintenance of US citizenship. There is prior case law establishing that travel on a foreign passport can be deemed by immigration authorities to be a demonstration of actions inconsistent with intention to preserve US citizenship, resulting in immediate and irrevocable deportation of a permanent resident or naturalized citizen. My advise, therefore, is to be VERY careful about travel on two passports, particularly if one is a US immigrant.

Interesting to read this point from this page — not official, but with lots of germane links.

bensyd Apr 15, 2009 6:39 am


Originally Posted by jpatokal (Post 11546339)
Perhaps not, but if you enter as a Canadian, you'll be a "tourist" in your own country and subject to length of stay restrictions etc. Why risk the hassle?

No you would not. You would still be a British citizen you would have just entered the country on a different passport, that would not change your legal right to remain in the country for as long as you wanted to. Although you may be asked to prove your right to abode, in which case a British passport would make the most sense.

You could theoretically ask for a "Right of Abode" stamp to be placed in your foreign passport which would eliminate the need to even have a UK passport.

Christopher Apr 15, 2009 7:44 am


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 11584858)
No you would not. You would still be a British citizen you would have just entered the country on a different passport, that would not change your legal right to remain in the country for as long as you wanted to. Although you may be asked to prove your right to abode, in which case a British passport would make the most sense.

That's true. If you entered the UK, say, as a Canadian citizen for a short holiday and subsequently decided to stay, you would, as a British citizen, be within your rights to do that.

Even if that had been your intention all along, you would still be entitled to stay, since you are a British citizen, although you might have lied to an immigration officer in that case, which is never a good thing to have done... But in order to be admitted to the UK as a person with the right of abode, one must present either a British citizen passport or another passport with a right of abode certificate in it.


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 11584858)
You could theoretically ask for a "Right of Abode" stamp to be placed in your foreign passport which would eliminate the need to even have a UK passport.

British citizens who are also citizens of another country can have a right of abode certificate placed in their non-British passport. However (sadly) since December 2006 that is only possible for British citizens who don't have a British passport.


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