The reference was to Colorado being the probable state -- that doesn't border Mexico, but it now does have a rather high proportion of Latin American immigrants.

How strange, I've definitely never encountered this at STN though it's been some time since I did a domestic from there. Were you to have shown say a British driving licence with a domestic boarding pass I can't see what option they would have had but to have waved you past.

I think it varies from country to country. Some (e.g. India) seem to (effectively) turn a blind eye to it provided that the person doesn't take out the passport of the other country. This can cause problems, particularly for children born in the USA of Indian parents, since US law requires the children to enter the USA on a US passport and Indian law requires that they don't possess a US passport.

Others require the person to choose one of the citizenships at a particular age (typically the age of majority or a couple of years older than that), sometimes with concessions if, e.g. the person has lived in the country or has maintained in some way a link with the country.

Others accept that people can have dual nationality from birth.

It can be problematic for some people born in this situation.


Well, therein lies another issue: it could be that this public servant was using her views (whether real or manufactured) to make a petty, quasi-political point, along the lines of "I don't think a person should be able to have two passports, and I'm in a position to make it difficult for this person who does". Equally, it could still have been crass ignorance.

The applicant was not Mexican, he was a dual French–US citizen.

At Heathrow Terminal 5 everyone goes through the same channel. However, I believe that photo-ID is required of domestic travellers, not a passport, and domestic travellers aren't subjected to "immigration" checks (using "immigration" in the sense of checks by the immigration authorities). The point is that immigration checks for the departing passengers has been coalesced into one with security checks, but that doesn't mean that the two processes are the same.

I have heard stories of some airlines (though not I think BA) seeming to require domestic travellers to present a passport as the acceptable proof of identity at check-in, although I don't know if that is true: in other words, would something like a photo driving licence be acceptable to those airlines?

Well of course the provisions of the Nordic Passport Union render it to some extent irrelevant which Nordic citizenship one holds if one is living in one of the Nordic countries, and the naturalisation requirements are in many cases more relaxed for citizens of other Nordic countries. Sweden, Finland and Iceland have all now relaxed their rules about dual nationality; Norway and Denmark have not.

Across the mentioned countries, the "naturalization" requirements are more relaxed for citizens of the Nordic Council countries.

FR does "passport check" on domestic flights [had it in UK and PT] for non-EU nationals - and I find that ridiculous...

Also, they do it on flights within Schengen zone + W6 as well...

Photo-ID isn't needed for a BA domestic - at least I've never been asked and anyway, I believe that the BA Exec card is proof of ID for BA. No photo-ID is needed to get through security, however if you are on a domestic flight, I believe that they take a photo of you at security and then check that at the gate to ensure you are still you.


As jms_uk says, FR falls into this camp, however easyJet doesn't (per the STN example above). Their web-site clearly states that while passport or national ID card is needed for an international flight, it isn't for a domestic flight (though other photo ID is), and nor is for UK-ROI flights for British and Irish citizens.

I cannot see how this can be true. When traveling domestically, you cannot be expected to carry a passport; indeed, there are millions of British Citizens who are not even in possession of passports.

I know, and this can be a problem. I was also once told that supplying a passport was a requirement for hiring a car in Inverness. I happened to have it with me, so I didn't argue the toss, but it seemed very odd: I had booked the car in the UK, and the company (obviously) had sight of my driving licence, which carries a photo...

Yes, and it is impossible to acquire a UK driving licence without either supplying a passport or a birth certificate to the DVLA. Very weird.

You also need to be a resident of the UK and have an address there to get a license, no?

A UK licence, yes, but not a licence of a another country, of course.

Some places don't require residency for drivers licenses. I can think of Hawaii and Tonga off the top of my head. (A Hawaiian license is surprisingly easy to get, even for non-Americans. There are a few threads floating around on the subject.)

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I have seen various posts here re dual passport. I hold a Malaysian and British passport. Am planning a trip (stopover to Malaysia) and then Australia, transit via Singapore. So far I worked out the logistics of travelling as below, any advice, suggestions or help is most welcome:

UK- Singapore: UK passport thus enter Singapore as Brit
Singapore - Msia: leave using UK passport? Then enter Msia using Msian passport? This is where I struggle

Leave Msia using Msian passport and enter Singapore again (21 days later) using UK passport. Onwards journey Sing to Oz also using UK passport.

Does the plan make sense or anyone has better suggestions?

Thank you all in advance

Help & advice needed
 

I have seen various posts here re dual passport. I hold a Malaysian and British passport. Am planning a trip (stopover to Malaysia) and then Australia, transit via Singapore. So far I worked out the logistics of travelling as below, any advice, suggestions or help is most welcome:

UK- Singapore: UK passport thus enter Singapore as Brit
Singapore - Msia: leave using UK passport? Then enter Msia using Msian passport? This is where I struggle

Leave Msia using Msian passport and enter Singapore again (21 days later) using UK passport. Onwards journey Sing to Oz also using UK passport.

Does the plan make sense or anyone has better suggestions?
Thank you all in advance

The only 2 valid documents for ALL Ryanair flights are a passport or a Government issued ID card.

However unless you want to fly to/from Belfast to several places in the UK or between Prestwick & Stansted it's pretty much a moot point.

There are two general rules

1) you leave a country on the same passport you entered it.
2) if you are a citizen of a country then you must enter & leave that country on a passport for that country.

So you leave/enter the UK on your British passport and enter & leave Malaysia on your Malaysian (though you might not even have to do that if you stay airside as you won't formally enter Malaysia).

Otherwise it's up to you to decide which passport to use - generally the one that gets you easiest entry / cheapest visa / longest stay...

And if you have any problems you just show your other passport

I thought we had a similar question recently and the general consensus was that Malaysia didn't allow dual nationality?

I have both US/UK passports (born in UK to a UK father, US mother). I've used the UK passport to visit Brazil (free vs $150 for US visa) and China ($45 vs $131). So having the 2nd passport has already paid for itself.

I don't think so.
Whipping out a different passport without any backup of entry in it is not going to help you.

You are declaring at entry what nationality you are by the passport you use to enter.
If you have any issue when visiting a country it is the passport that you enter with that determine which country can offer you consular assistance.

Well, any country of which you are a citizen can and will offer consular assistance to you (except when you are in a country of which you also hold citizenship). The host country where you require consular assistance can however restrict consular assistance only from the country whose passport you used to enter the said host country.

I recently obtained my Hong Kong passport in addition to my existing Canadian one. I haven't had a chance to use my HK passport yet (though I enjoyed using my Hong Kong Identity Card to enter/exit HK without talking to a single immigration officer, and my "Home Return Permit" to visit mainland China as opposed to getting a visa on my Canadian passport) but am looking forward to using my HK passport to visit Brazil and Russia visa-free later this year.

By the way, does anyone know how the South American countries are with regard to enter/exit stamp trails? I'm planning a 5 week trip to South America using primarily my Canadian passport, except for Brazil where I will be using my HK passport, but would like to know if any of the countries will care that I will have missing enter/exit stamps, or that I have two passports (I know it's rare, but it sounds like some countries like Saudi Arabia and maybe Malaysia have problems with non-citizens carrying two passports).

I read this thread with interest as i can now relate to the issue on hand.

My wife and I are both Malaysians and we moved to the US in 2010. Our little princess was born few months ago in TX and I'm planning to get her a Malaysian birth cert (in addition to the US birth cert which automatically makes her a US citizen). When i called the Malaysian embassy to arrange for an appointment, the 1st thing the officer told me was that i must not have applied for a US passport for my daughter if i want to apply for her Msian birth cert. This is because Msia doesnt recognise dual citizenship. Since i have not applied a US passport for her yet, i dont foresee a problem getting the Msian birth cert.

However i am not sure whats the best approach with regards to getting a passport for her (for our trip to Msia in Sep). The issue is that i do not want to forgo her US citizenship and also i want to maintain her Malaysian citizenship (at least until she's old enough to decide which she prefers). So my question is:

1. Should my daughter travel on a US or Malaysia passport for the 1 mth trip to Malaysia?

2. Assuming she already has a US passport, would the Msian authorities have any way of knowing that when i apply for her Malaysian passport? If they can find out, then i guess i should get the Msian passport first and then only the US passport?

3. If she travels to Malaysia on her Malaysian passport, would there be any problem at the immigration upon returning to US ? I'm assuming no since US doesnt really care if you have dual citizenship.

I know by right i need to choose one (at least as per the Msian govt) but we havent really decided if we will be settling in the US move back to Msia 5-10 years from now, hence would like to have the flexibility when the time comes to decide.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

To the best of my knowledge, No.

US doesn't. Malaysia would. If Malaysia has outbound immigration, then the immigration officer could (and probably will!) notice a lack of US visa and question you, and her US passport will enter the picture.


Your daughter is a US Citizen regardless of what Malaysia says. Renouncing US citizenship is not a straightforward process (though I'm not sure how it applies to someone who's born American but also has claims to another citizenship!). You could just never obtain a US passport for your daughter, but I can see that could make re-entry back into the US a touch tricky.

Does Malaysia have an outbound immigration check at the causeway bridge linking it to Singapore? If not, wouldn't just driving to/from SIN and flying through there eliminate many of the issues of whose passport you entered/exited with?

It might be inconvenient and add expense, but using the bridge and flying within MY via Johor might make things easier if there is no outbound check at any of the bridges.

Malaysia has outbound immigration checks at all borders.

However, many Malaysians with dual passports travel overseas via Singapore. Malaysia<->Singapore, they use the Malaysian passports, which thus gets the Singapore stamps. Singapore<->US, they exit Singapore on the Malaysian passport but use the US passport to enter the US (and show it if requested at check-in) --> as far as Malaysia is concerned, they're just visiting Singapore, which requires no advance visa.

There appear to be no alternatives according to the rules.

Hi I need urgent advice on this matter. If you know about travelling on both aussie and malaysian passports, please let me know. Thanks.

What sorts of information do you need that has not already been covered in the thread?

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If that was your intention you need to plan it ahead to get the proper proof that you are a M'sian citizen living abroad as PR of another country well before the incoming children obtaining M'sian citizenship issue arise.

My SIL(M'sian) discuss all these issues prior to her marriage with her family, my family, her family's lawyer in M'sia and Canada.

Trying to provide proof after the fact usually is not a good idea.

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Also a note for others:

Just because you have or is entitled to more than one passport, their usage or misuse will have effect on your travel safety, future citizenship plans for oneself as well as your children.

Dual Malaysian and UK passport working in Singapor
 

Hi All

Firstly, apologies if this has been covered previously, but I could not see it - appreciate it if you could point where it has been covered.

Like many here, I have both a Malaysian and another passport, UK in this case. However, I work in Singapore. Most of the previous posts involve Malaysians in either UK or Aus, who travel through Singapore to get into Malaysia.

Would it be possible to leave Singapore on my UK passport, enter Malaysia on my Malaysian passport, and then leave Malaysia on the Malaysian passport? My concern comes that, my EP in Singapore is linked to my UK passport. Would going through the autogates at Malaysia make life easier?

Thanks

Confusedbrit, I'm interested to know if you managed to enter and leave Malaysia on your Malaysian passport and enter and leave Singapore with your UK passport. I assume the autogates would mean you don't have to meet face to face with an immigration officer. I have the same questions.

I've finished my trip and wanted to put some info out there to travellers in the same boat. I used my foreign passport to leave and enter Malaysia. Immigration control went through smoothly. No questions (as of yet), about the "place of birth" as it's my first time travelling through.

I figured the passport stamps wouldn't add up in the Malaysian passport, and like other advice that has been given here, I'll travel on the foreign one and only use the Malaysian passport to return and have it renewed locally.

Hi everyone, I read through all the posts and have a sense of what others' experiences have been, and am hoping someone would provide some additional guidance on if anyone else has been able to do the following:

1) My partner still holds MY passport and IC card, but obtained NZ citizenship and passport last year. He was in NZ as PR before that date.

2) We relocated to Australia to work last year, on his NZ passport.

3) His MY passport expires in a few months, and he's hoping to try to successfully renew it, but is aware of the pitfalls.

4) If he flies MEL-SIN, using NZ passport on exit from AUS and MY passport on entry to SIN, is there any chance SIN immigration will let him in with less than 6 months validity, if he explains he needs to go home to renew?

5) Use the MY passport then from SG - MY on the causeway bridge. I take it this is where the system may flag that he somehow magically appeared in SG without swiping out of NZ?

6) Renew MY passport then use it to go back into SG.

7) Depart SG with MY passport and use the NZ passport on arrival into AUS

Would this not leave him in immigration limbo, meaning that as far as MY is concerned, he's hanging out indefinitely somewhere, or obviously using a second passport to enter another country?

Basically the more I look at it, the more likely it seems he will be caught and forced to renounce at some point.

Can't he renew at the Embassy in NZ or by mail, or have a relative file the mail renewal for him?

In NZ he would have to show some sort of visa/PR in his MY passport that entitles him to be in NZ at the time (and his PR in effect has been cancelled when granted citizenship). Plus mailing from consulate/embassy can take an amazing amount of months to do (whereas in Malaysia it's only a couple of hours, go figure!).

As for trying to get a family member to renew it in Malaysia, that is an option worth checking into, thanks. He's flying to SG next month and could hand the old one to his family.