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I sit down, greet my seatmate, open my book and make it very clear that I am not interested in any further conversation. In all my years of flying I have not been subjected to a conversation I didn't want to participate in. And I have read many good books!
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Originally Posted by alex0683de
(Post 10073347)
Here's a few more:
"Ich kann Sie nicht verstehen" - I can't understand you "Ich habe keine Ahnung wovon Sie reden" - I have no idea what you're talking about "Es hat keinen Zweck mit mir zu reden, ich verstehe Sie sowieso nicht" - there's no point in talking to me, I can't understand you anyway It'd be just your luck for the guy to be fluent in German as well though. ;) |
RE: trying to convert me on a trans-con
LIGHTWEIGHT! I sat in a middle seat on a 747 from Los Angeles to Seoul about 16 years ago next to a MOONIE!
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Originally Posted by GuyverII
(Post 10075277)
What's most insulting is they don't even try to get to know you, they just start out with "Have you found Jesus?" or they ask you about your problems, then hit you with "I know the solution for all your ills. His name is Jesus."
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PTravel gives us an excellent example of why it would be silly to assume all Jews are alike, and yet several posters seem to treat all Christians as identical.
The only thing all Christians have in common is a recognition that we as sinners can't get to heaven on our own merits, and that God had mercy on us and sent His only Son to die on a cross to pay the price we couldn't. |
Originally Posted by Bowgie
(Post 10075366)
It is disheartening to go thru two pages of replies to find one (yours) that is sensible
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 10075503)
I don't know if this still goes on, but in the late 70s, when I was living in New York, the Lubivitchers, one of the Hassidic groups in Brooklyn, used to drive around in an RV decorated with big Jewish Stars and a huge sign on it saying, "Mitzvah-Mobile." ("mitvah" means "blessing" in Hebrew.) They'd park it near busy intersections and scout out people who looked Jewish (that, in itself, opens a whole can of worms). They must have had pretty good "Jew-dar" because they'd always make a beeline straight for me, saying, as they approached, "You Jewish? You Jewish?" I used to say something along the lines of, "My religion is a private matter, I don't discuss it with strangers and I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my beliefs." Without missing a beat, they'd say, "Aha! You're Jewish! Come with us!", and grab my arms and, literally, drag me into the Mitzvah Mobile, where they'd have me put on tefillin and say the daily prayer (about a 3 minute undertaking). Then they'd let me go, with my pockets stuffed with literature on various programs they had to bring Jews like me back into the fold. After this happened a couple of times, when they'd run up to me, saying, "You Jewish?", I'd just say, "No!"
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I think I agree with you, PTraveler
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 10075503)
I'm sorry, but if someone starts to proselytize I am not, in the least, interested in maintaining their dignity. It is rude and disrespectful and one who does so, particularly in a captive audience context such as an aircraft, deserves no consideration.
Of course, there ARE limits and would never suggest anyone be a doormat for insufferable behavior of a seat mate. It just never hurts to try a gentle approach first. You did say to try, "I am not interested in this conversation" in your first post. I would call that gentle.
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 10075503)
You'll have to explain to me why you believe this particular activity deserves respect. When someone proselytizes, they are saying, in essence, "I am right and you are wrong and I'm going to tell you why." When unsolicited (and it always is), this is absolutely disrespectful of my beliefs which I regard as private and something which I do not have to justify nor want challenged.
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 10075503)
I don't like to be put in a situation in which I have to make up lies, particularly when it is the other person who, in my opinion, is the one being rude.
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 10075503)
Never. Not ever! My religion is no one's business, regardless of their denomination.
I met an executive with MX, so we are talking about a well-educated upper class person in Mexico. We were having a great conversation in the middle of a large hall, and I could not help but notice he was perfectly comfortable speaking to me about six inches off of the bow of my nose. This was after returning from Japan, where one usually stands about six feet off of a stranger. Now this not a perfect or even a good example because one can expect different cultural norms in different countries. Maybe the Mexican executive should have made an allowance for me and stood farther back. He didn't; I did not interprets this as rudeness, but him just being himself. I am very well acquainted with the Bible thumping mentality. I understand why the behavior is objectively disrespectful, and I would not criticize you for pushing back. However, person doing this does not think he is disrespecting you. Maybe 50 years ago, somebody would call a grown black adult man "boy". Also objectively disrespectful. But that behavior comes from ignorance. It not often possible to deter these "my way or Hell's highway" Christians. It is up to each of us to determine how much of our patience or energy is worth the effort. Always difficult to judge the best response, and obviously each person is going to find a different balance within his comfort zone. |
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Originally Posted by AlanInDC
(Post 10075926)
Jesus may be the solution to all your ills, but not mine. My ills can be fixed by Andrew Jacksons. A faster solution involves U.S. Grants. Even faster would be Benjamin Franklins.
On the other hand, I didn't know my doctor was named Jesus....:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by shaggy_mutt
(Post 10076162)
The only thing all Christians have in common is a recognition that we as sinners can't get to heaven on our own merits, and that God had mercy on us and sent His only Son to die on a cross to pay the price we couldn't.
Please don't sit next to me. I'm, err, busy... |
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